The difference between Wally West and Creel, is we have examples that prove Wally isn't an idiot with his powers. So, there's some other reason Captain Boomerang gets anywhere with him.
Creel has no such showings like that. He's simply an idiot.
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Never let anyone else define you. Don't be a jerk just to be a jerk, but if you are expressing your true inner feelings and beliefs, or at least trying to express that inner child, and everyone gets pissed off about it, never NEVER apologize for it. Let them think what they want, let them define you in their narrow little minds while they suppress every last piece of them just to keep a friend that never liked them for themselves in the first place.
Wouldn't this apply to Surfer vs Superman as well though. Surfer gains basic knowledge of the character, hes a threat. Why not just go intangible, create clone, black holes, etc... to prevent himself from being injured during combat. This type of logic would make battle board easy for someone like Surfer.
Because honestly, Surfer isn't a fighter, and Superman is. Same reason many put him over J'onn.
One certainly can argue Norrin has the ability to beat just about anyone. Many do.
The fact is, in comics, he simply isn't Thor or Gladiator.
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Never let anyone else define you. Don't be a jerk just to be a jerk, but if you are expressing your true inner feelings and beliefs, or at least trying to express that inner child, and everyone gets pissed off about it, never NEVER apologize for it. Let them think what they want, let them define you in their narrow little minds while they suppress every last piece of them just to keep a friend that never liked them for themselves in the first place.
That really wasn't what I was getting at. Superman, Hulk, Wonder Woman, Thor, or any other character that you'd like to mention has a certain way that they fight consistently. You, wouldn't for instance claim that Mike Tyson fights like Bruce Lee. There has to be a cut off point for those that argue the full capacity rule, because they begin to drop character completely, and wander into the CIS free zone that has their character of choice throwing life threatening punches. Like I said, can you imagine Carver coming in and making a solid full capacity claim for the Hulk? Speedster or Flying brick would automatically be hit if we used the Hulk's most powerful reality warping, planet bustin thunder clap.
What about Jane Thor's Mother Storm? What character would escape these out of character attacks? For the record, I do not for one second believe that Weapon H wins this. Shit I can't wait to read Marvel's explanation on how he's even able to attain Hulk size with the Adamantium lacing his bones, but whatever lol.
Surfer isnt dumb. He gets basic knowledge of Superman. Why not just go intangible, create clones, power absorption, soul suck, create black holes, matter manipulate. Endless possibilities. He has done everything I've stated and again, he isnt the smartest but he isnt dumb either.
Never let anyone else define you. Don't be a jerk just to be a jerk, but if you are expressing your true inner feelings and beliefs, or at least trying to express that inner child, and everyone gets pissed off about it, never NEVER apologize for it. Let them think what they want, let them define you in their narrow little minds while they suppress every last piece of them just to keep a friend that never liked them for themselves in the first place.
I feel like if I clarified my earlier position, it would just seem like I'm arguing with Galan, so I'm not going to go in to too much detail other than saying this: A character's personality still matters. They're not powersets or author avatars for posters to inhabit to the point that they're not the actual character anymore. Please keep that in mind when posting.
@celey, leo, cdtm, and Stoic (and to a certain extent, Pr):
Let's say I put you naked in a dark room (bear with me). Completely pitch black, you can't see anything.
I lightly touch the back of your leg with a red hot poker. You instinctively jerk away.
Are you able to control your speed then?
In this thread, Superman, the guy who is able to recognise Flash as he is outrunning Death past him, would be unable to react to meter long knives coming straight for him. OK.
Loads of other characters are speedsters and so, see the world in slow motion. Yet, we don't say they have to 'switch gears'.
Hit a speedster on Kal's level. Wolverine was used because....reasons.
Speed. We give them their speed levels, yet somehow, Superman doesn't have his. What speed level does Superman enter a forum match with?
Full capacity means he has access to one of his most basic powers....not sure why this is so hard to understand?
You are arguing that in character, Superman lets himself be stabbed. Not once, but repeatedly. And won't do a thing about it.
It's not changing Superman's style of fighting, though.
It's literally avoiding a set of giant knives slashing at your belly/head. I'm not saying he's using his speed to start doing mystical space ninjutsu, even though I can - I'm saying he's instinctively jerking away or avoiding hits.
I don't think he does. Bentley and I had the first posts on it:
Full Capacity =/= ALL POWAH TO THE MAX. Superman doesn't enter the cage and start singing people out of existence - even though he has the 0.00001% of the time where he used it.
THAT is what you lot are all thinking Phildo Galan and I are arguing.
No.
Go back to my instinctive knee jerk reaction scenario. I have somehow managed to strike first, with my red hot poker. You jerk away (maybe you even do so before it touches your skin). Unlike strength where you can control it, or intelligence, or whatever....you jerk away.
Now imagine there's light in the room. You see me, a human level guy, coming at you with a red hot poker. Do you wait until I hit you?
I mean, full powah on means I can do all manner of things, right? I could wrestle it out of you, do a spinning tornado kick, headbutt you, kick you in the groin, whatever. Change my fighting style and beg for mercy on the ground. Piss myself in fear. All valid tactics.
But the main first tactic, is I avoid getting hit.
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My understanding of Weapon H is that he's basically Cho Hulk, but with adamantium claws and the powers of a few other people? With that in mind, my view is basically this:
Superman will get hit at some point (even if it's just at the start), but not because he's slow. It'll be because he'll allow it to happen.
It just won't make any difference unless Domino's power kicks in.
He has no feats with Domino's power though. Just saying.
It's funny how one side is arguing 'based on comics' and have nothing to show for Weapon H using Warpath's flight or Domino's luck powers, or speed, or anything beyond he's super strong and has claws ......
They do, actually. Spider-Man has his "blitz" and "adrenaline" modes.
Wolverine has his "Berzerker Rage".
And Wolverine used to get so bored he would sometimes pick fights with local merchants:
And how does that apply to a fight? His gamma maths is running to save innocents and civilians.....Doesn't say anything about him using it to fight.
In any case, Superman also has showings where he is shown to constantly process things at high speed, yet is ignored because 'of the majority' of his showings.
In short, you've proved my point about double standards. Hulk has that one showing in his 50 ish years of showings. And you apply it as gospel.
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