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Quick Freeze
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He then goes berserker and snaps those handcuffs, Bucky then gets saved by his accomplice (who sneaks up on Logan, without printer ink) and shoots him.

And yes, Bucky is pretty naked there.

LMAO so that's why "printer ink" is listed as a weakness of his in the handbook

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He then goes berserker and snaps those handcuffs, Bucky then gets saved by his accomplice (who sneaks up on Logan, without printer ink) and shoots him.

And yes, Bucky is pretty naked there.

Some great sixth sense attuned to danger displayed there.

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Yes easily. Spite thread.

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Discuss and why

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No reason to ignore the high end from both characters unless you're fixated towards a bias leaning. jn
There's a possibility Batman can sneak up on Logan. I'm not near convinced that he definitely would or would for a majority out of 10. Your use of Logan's low end while ignoring his high end doesn't convince me otherwise.

So, yes, he can. Thanks all.

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geezus, of course he can. how did this nonsense thread make it this far.... (looks through thread). oh yeah, that's how.

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Writers not highlighting it doesn't mean it's not active given heightened senses is literally standard. Unless you can prove the writer specifically intended Superman didn't have all his senses enhanced, this argument is irrelevant.

You didn't answer my question. Did you mean "can he do it for a majority" and poorly worded it because fail is fail, or do you legitimately think Batman can't ever and don't like the arguments being used to show he can?

Yeah but that type of logic falls flat on the forum. That type of reasoning can easily be flipped to say that by the same token, if Character A tags Character B(who has super speed) successfully, then it's proof Character A can hit people moving at Character B's top speed. Another example would be using an instance of a character with transmutation losing a fight without transmuting his opponent is automatic proof that his opponent can resist transmutation.

That's not to say that Supes doesn't posses a sense of smell equal to Logan's, nor does it mean that Logan's sense of smell can't be bypassed, I'm just saying that Batman sneaking up on or sneaking away from Supes doesn't indicate that he can sneak past Logan's sense of smell UNLESS it was expressly stated that Supes was trying to "smell him out". A case could be made for heightened senses being the most prominent victims of PIS of any power in comics because lots of people have some form of heightened sense that's constantly getting bypassed for no apparent reason.

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Yeah but that type of logic falls flat on the forum. That type of reasoning can easily be flipped to say that by the same token, if Character A tags Character B(who has super speed) successfully, then it's proof Character A can hit people moving at Character B's top speed. Another example would be using an instance of a character with transmutation losing a fight without transmuting his opponent is automatic proof that his opponent can resist transmutation.

That's not to say that Supes doesn't posses a sense of smell equal to Logan's, nor does it mean that Logan's sense of smell can't be bypassed, I'm just saying that Batman sneaking up on or sneaking away from Supes doesn't indicate that he can sneak past Logan's sense of smell UNLESS it was expressly stated that Supes was trying to "smell him out". A case could be made for heightened senses being the most prominent victims of PIS of any power in comics because lots of people have some form of heightened sense that's constantly getting bypassed for no apparent reason.

This argument falls apart given his title is "Can Batman sneak up on Logan?" I went in arguing differently than I would because it's not "Will he in X scenario," but a broad can he.
His arguments to me were an attempt to dismiss every time he's done it to Superman.

I do understand the speed argument (which is problematic but decent) but raised an eyebrow on the matter manipulation argument. I guess I just haven't seen someone use that argument, I wouldn't think resistance because it wasn't used unless they said they didn't try because of that. Maybe if it was their only power, but unlikely.

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This argument falls apart given his title is "Can Batman sneak up on Logan?" I went in arguing differently than I would because it's not "Will he in X scenario," but a broad can he.
His arguments to me were an attempt to dismiss every time he's done it to Superman.

I do understand the speed argument (which is problematic but decent) but raised an eyebrow on the matter manipulation argument. I guess I just haven't seen someone use that argument, I wouldn't think resistance because it wasn't used unless they said they didn't try because of that. Maybe if it was their only power, but unlikely.

Oh it's been used before. It's not one that comes up all that often because it's a ridiculous argument that dies quickly, but it's popped up before... sometimes I miss nvr lol.

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Oh it's been used before. It's not one that comes up all that often because it's a ridiculous argument that dies quickly, but it's popped up before... sometimes I miss nvr lol.

Fangirl still denies being Nvr. I actually came on well after both were banned but have had the misfortune of coming across her a couple other areas.

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May 23rd, 2019 05:18 AM

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He could sneak up on him, sure. It would be a bad idea though.

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He could beat Wolvie in a battle too

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LMAO so that's why "printer ink" is listed as a weakness of his in the handbook

Daniel Way had no respect for Logan, lol.

But to be fair, Bucky still got assraped there. Not a point DS is trying to make, ik, just saying.

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Yah. Wolvie went feral and had Bucky at his mercy.

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Martian Manhunter (who Batman has snuck past) is not only one of the world's best telepaths, he also has 14 other senses:

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As I see it Joker would likely sneak up on Logan too

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Martian Manhunter (who Batman has snuck past) is not only one of the world's best telepaths, he also has 14 other senses:

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he was also easily skimming through the minds of everyone on earth in the same issue thumb up