Being infinite dimensional means jackshit in comics. Beyonder's best feat is shaking the multiverse in a fight with Molecule Man and creating a universe (bigger than multiverse) with all his energy.
Not sure why that's so impressive. Even sphere of Gods dwarfs the infinite multiverse and then there's dark multiverse which houses three separate infinite multiverses just now (Crisis on Infinite Earths, Infinite Crisis and Final Crisis) and that was created by just World Forger (far below Perpetua).
It's not only the scale of the feats but the consistency of the portrayals.
Beyonder was millions of times more powerful than the rest of the multiverse combined, and that fraction of a million was probably represented by Molecule Man. But if we exclude the possibility of Molecule Man being included in this equation, that's still millions of times more powerful than the multiverse.
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And keep in mind that Thanos only had to absorb the Abstracts of Multiverse to overthrow the One-Above-All.
So there's a case to be made for that there's no force in Marvel currently that would be able to stand against Pre-retcon Beyonder or Molecule Man.
Big whoop. Even Anti Monitor in COIE was more powerful than entire multiverse by infinite orders at the dawn of time because he actually had power of two multiverses and Perpetua is far above him. Millions of times sounds great but is hardly that great.
Starlin's OAA is shit, he can't even repair a universe if there is disturbance in multiverse system.
Probably. But DC doesn't plays with the same rule.
The Anti-Matter Universe was a universe, not a multiverse. Not to mention that COIE was a campaign for the Anti-Monitor. When the Beyonder considered destroying the multiverse it was just a matter of getting off his lazy ass and doing it, no campaign, and if it wasn't for the Molecule Man it wouldn't even be a struggle.
But it's the one reliable portrayal we have.
I certainly subscribe to the idea that there are characters within the DC canon more powerful than Pre-retcon Beyonder. I already mentioned, World's Funnest Mr. Mxyzptlk. The Presence, Lucifer and Michael would be three more characters that I'd side with over the Beyonder.
Anti Matter universe was equal to the size of normal positive infinite multiverse and actually grew in the empty space of infinite multiverse once it was destroyed.
It really isn't. Beyonder himself confirmed that Dr Strange could've trapped him in an illusion forever and puma almost killed him with the power of multiverse.
I don't think Beyonder is as powerful as you think. All he has is bunch of statements and shaking the multiverse.
There's nothing in that scan that suggests that the Anti-Matter Universe was the size of the multiverse.
With technology.
Dr. Strange's illusions wasn't a matter of power, and the Beyonder orchestrated the event that made Pumpa powerful enough to kill him.
I repeat, the thing about the Beyonder is that he was consistently powerful. Aside from Molecule Man no one could stand up to him. Not the heroes, not the villains and not even the Abstracts.
I don’t take tyler’s theories too serious. But it is entertaining to think the endless dictate the fate of everyone in the multiverse. That our lives are predestined since the big bang. It’s just fun to apply comic book logics to real world sometimes, all in good fun, not science research by any means
A lot of his stuff is in theory but his other video about dc cosmology was spot on, he obviously knows his stuff especially regarding the vertigo side of the cosmology, and dematteis spectre run
DC cosmology is separated to two part,
the morrison/Snyder cosmology
Overvoid/Source
Judges of the Source, Cosmic armor superman/mandrakk, etc
Perpetua and her race
And
the dematteis/carey cosmology
Presence
Lucifer/Michael, the endless etc
Spectre
I know you are in the camp of vertigo not included in dc. But Dematteis, Snyder and Morrison all acknowledged sandman and lucifer. That’s fact.
It absolutely was the pre-crisis multiverse, in the same issue it mentioned why COIE happened, why Anti-Monitor turn against his brothers
There is no may or if, the multiverses are infinite because of perpetua and her race, there are infinite multiverse creation out there in dc. Perpetua only created one of the infinite. She’s just the most feared out of the super celestials in the omniverse https://imgur.com/a/3MEizsM
you are way behind in your dc cosmology. Empty hand destroyed multiverse-2, but that’
s only 1 multiverse out of infinity
the orrery of worlds have 52, but there are also plethora of scans out there proving the multiverse is indeed collection infinite universes, from p52 to n52 to rebirth. Scans after scans ill post them when I get home.
There’s nothing in marvel compare to overvoid. Nothing, perpetua tore a piece from the highest level of creation possible. That feat alone dwarfs anything beyonder has done.
TOAA is not omnipotent after infinity ending. The pre-retcon beyonder shaked the multiverse, he didn’t destroy any infinite multiverse or beyond.
Of course it does. Monitor was powered by entire positive multiverse and Anti Monitor by the anti matter universe and they still stalemated for a million years.
What technology? Anti Monitor destroyed universes by his own power.
The thing that never made much sense to me is the scenario that has one guy measured to be a universal power proving to be tougher, and hit harder than another guy who is measured to be multiversal who struggles with far less than universal obstacles?
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