I like how the graph just says Democrats vs Trump lol. It's not even mentioning Biden. Also down at the bottom you can it's based of projections in exit polling?
Even then the margins are only around 2-5% difference. And for Black males the increase in overall numbers were roughly the same for each at about about .6 million. And the increases for black women weren't as close as according to the graph roughly .9 million more black women voted for "Democrats" vs only about .57 million for Trump.
Either way DDM what specific policies are you talking about?
Because it compares 2 different presidential candidate democrats: Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden. Whereas both elections, Trump was the GOP candidate.
There's literally no other way to measure which demographics voted for whom other than exit polling.
Am I mistaken or did we have a very long multi-post conversation about this topic already? Are you an honest actor? I don't have time to search for hours through my hundreds of posts where I've talked about these topics.
Google search "criminal justice reform" and you'll get a pretty good idea of decades of work already outlined for what we need to do. You can also google search "prison reform" and "racist democratic policies."
I like how your protecting the graph's graphic choices but not the actual numbers showing that the changes weren't that big or is misleading to act like so many people of color voted for Trump in 2016 when both sides got more votes lol.
Also your last answer seems like a bit of a cop out. You're the one who made the thread. You can at least mention which Democratic policies you think are racists. If for no other reason other people might want to know them I also may need a refresher as well since i only vaguely remember talking to you about this.
Based on this response, you're not reading the data correctly and you don't understand it.
Read the article to gain a better understanding of what those numbers respresent.
Yup. 100% copping out. Not going to spend hours and hours looking up previous posts I made over the years that literally everyone posting in this thread are aware of including you. You can look it up if you're genuinely curious. These reforms are not new concepts and policies for liberals and they are not even my original ideas. You're clearly not an honest actor in this conversation, at all, and you're "attacking to defend" because you don't like someone attacking Democrats for their decades of racist policies.
This also tells me that you're not interested in changing the decades of racist and harmful policies from the Democrats. You're far more interested in gotcha games and e-wins that confronting actual issues that can make a huge difference in the lives of people of color: specifically, black people.
Divorce yourself from tribalistic political parties. Then you won't act like your family member was insulted so much so that you lose your reason, like you just did, now.
I do know quite a bit about you from a political beliefs perspective which is why I responded the way I did. You should do better to improve the political image you give off if you don't wish to be seen as yet another tribalistic Democrat who is unable to think outside of party loyalty lines.
Nice red herring and indirect ad hominem.
Anything of substance to add? Such as CJS reform suggestions that I haven't mentioned on KMC over the last 15 years? Drug War thoughts? Red-lining thoughts?
I honestly don't need to prove anything to you :/ Especially when you speak of images and political tribalism you might want to look in the mirror first
I mean I legitimately asked you for your specific points so we could talk about things with substance. You're the one that made the statement, refused to post why, and am now harassing me about substance. It's kind of laughable :/
Then why make the statement about me not knowing you if you didn't care about the persona you were giving off about your politics?
Done.
My tribe is "liberalism" and "Transhumanism." But I'm open minded enough to criticize the problems with both political positions. The fact that the Transhumanist party actually exists doesn't prevent me from pointing out some of the wacky/wonky and woefully naive positions they take.
You can criticize the Green Party, too, since I try to vote Green Party. See if I get condescending and insulting like you did (attack to defend).
No you most certainly didn't. No one is stupid enough to believe that you were an honest actor in the conversation except the anti-dadudemon cheerleaders.
"harassing"? Oh boy. You've lost it.
No one is forcing you to respond with condescending and insulting posts.
I mean I would rather be responding with topic specific posts but you refused to post the specific policies that you think back your specific stance ;/
If you would rather be responding to the OP topic, why didn't you quote it and express some of your CJS reform ideas and ways to undo some of the harmful Democratic policies?
Do you understand how you do not appear to be an honest actor even when you're trying to act like a victim of the mean, bad, dadudemon?
Edit - Here, watch, I'll show you how an honest actor would work.
Re: Democrats: It's Time to Change Your Racist Policies
Very good points, dadudemon!
If the Democrats were actually interested in CJS Reform, they would have ended the Drug War before they supported it and started it waaaay back in the day. And they would have ended the Drug War every single year after it took off.
But they didn't. They have voted for measures and provisions at local, state, and national levels, for years, to support the Drug War.
So when the Democrats put on their site:
"It is past time to end the failed "War on Drugs," which has imprisoned millions of Americans—disproportionately Black people and Latinos—and hasn't been effective in reducing drug use."
Joe Biden is most likely the next president. So Joe Biden is going to change bad policies implemented by...Joe Biden.
So will the Democrats, like Harris and Joe Biden, reverse previous racist positions they held and actually implement CJS Reform? Or will it be more of the same and this is all empty rhetoric?
And this is just the Drug War. What about the destruction of the Black Nuclear Family which is the single biggest sin of the Democratic Party since slavery?
I know what DDM means when he refers to previous reforms he outlined... and by the way outlined with charts and numbers and all with accurately sourced data.
If I had a blade held to me and had to give at least 1 single thread out of the many where DDM has published articles any respected journalist writing for any internationally recognized newspaper or journal would be proud to call their own work I'd have to say this one discussion thread about uh Prison / Punishment / Sentencing / I remember it more than all the rest because I posted in it.
I think I said some thing about one reform I would push for was. If some one has to steal food to get some thing to eat... they shouldn't be in jail or be put the cjs. What they need is help getting work. Or if you're taking them in. Take them in and put them straight on a work program where they can grind aka do some leveling up in work skills.
I also said some thing like For all general minor offenses etc prisoners should work and be paid and released with their wages so they can go straight into safe accomodation paying their own bills and stuff with skills and experience any employer would want.
I think it's Norway or some country close to it where they have open prisons. Well the prisons are built like residential properties where inmates and wardens are neighbours / house mates because they do not want to be releasing socially awkward people into communities when prisoners have done their time. And they've worked out that is the best way to help prisoners who have problems with life with criminal activity a byproduct of that.
They also have a low re-offend rate. And almost non existent attacks on wardens (who are un armed)
In essence they treat prisoners like humans and they respond well to that.
So anyway.
Like DDM says there are too many posts of his here. And he put so much detail into them. Surely if you put his name into the search and add a search word or item like %, reform, prison, offenders, disproportionate, etc you'll see something.
Having actually engaged him on the precise reforms DDM mentioned he outlined on the first page of this discussion thread.
I can't just not say nothing.
DDM. Newjack. This is not the hill you want to fall out on.
Actually, saying nothing was an option for you, one you probably should have exercised. dadudemon is a big boy, he can answer Newjak for himself instead of dodging and calling in reinforcements.
Thanks for contributing, Shiv. I'll try and do better in the future it's just hard to think anyone is honest when I've posted so much on this topic for years.
And, yes, a "path to civilization" is 100% needed. Real skills, real jobs, and real merit based un-sentencing. The goal should always be healthy reintegration back into society. And drug problems are medical problems, not criminal problems. The prohibitions make them criminal problems.
Never let anyone else define you. Don't be a jerk just to be a jerk, but if you are expressing your true inner feelings and beliefs, or at least trying to express that inner child, and everyone gets pissed off about it, never NEVER apologize for it. Let them think what they want, let them define you in their narrow little minds while they suppress every last piece of them just to keep a friend that never liked them for themselves in the first place.
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Nov 9th, 2020 10:57 AM
DDM talking out of his ass again?
