I was simply responding to this post of yours: Again, just pointing out that when Owen disassembled the shield, he was not transacting Beyonder-esque levels of power(not even remotely close). Back then, it would be a stretch to say that he was even depicted at Skyfather-level consistently, in terms of actualized power... More times than not, Owen was actually quite pathetic(despite his massive potential), due to his self-imposed mental blocks.
It wasn't until Doom removed Owen's mental blocks a few years after the shield feat, that we saw the truth depths of his power.
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Still, his power over inanimate matter... or at least specifically over simple objects with no advanced internal mechanisms (like Tony's suit), seemed absolute.
I mean, you can't find more indestructible items than Surfer's board, Mjolnir and Cap's shield.
And Owen was most impressed with the shield, confirming it as the top dog.
KT hit the shield with his hammer to physically dent it. Cul used rune magic to physically rip it apart. Owen used matter manipulation to disassemble it.
I am curious, though: are there any instances of the shield being able to resist explicit matter manipulation? If so, what were the level of the beings who tried, and failed? Because all jokes aside, I've always been curious what would stop any decently competent matter manipulator from doing what Owen did to the shield. /shrug
Also, is KT using a casual eye-beam to blow a hole through the shield considered canon?: https://ibb.co/X2Vq7MD
Never been exactly sure where The Reigning fits into continuity.
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Only the likes of Rage considered it canon... and he's quite dead, his corpse being fucked by Somalians.
Yes, KT hit it with his hammer, but I feel confident saying only the Odinforce allowed him to put a dent in the shield --- goes nicely with him fixing it... we only see him using the hammer, but he does mention it's only possible because of the power of Odin.
Shield sometimes no-sells Magneto's powers, other times it gets controlled by Lensherr much like every other metal.
Myron MacLain was unable to separate a single molecule for analysis.
Other than that, I don't remember it facing matter manip, no.
Ah yep. That link made me remember that The Reigning storyline is officially listed as an alternate universe in the OHOTMU as well: https://ibb.co/nLGyYrX https://ibb.co/phC4DKK
Oh I have no doubt that KT was channeling the Odinforce on some level when he dented(and later repaired) the shield. Makes sense, as we know the shield's durability fails against Skyfather-level power.
That's what I thought, as I'd never seen an instance of the shield resisting explicit matter manipulation.
So this goes back to what I was saying about Owen's power: him using matter manipulation to disassemble the shield, while impressive in its own right, doesn't really seem to slingshot him above the Skyfather tier, imo. Jokes aside, I see no reason why a guy like Firestorm, for example, couldn't do the same basic thing to the shield(like transmute it into an inert gas or somesuch)..?
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Yeah, I see your point. Matter manipulators are tricky - when they appear in the story, their power rarely fails. So it's hard to argue the shield would withstand Firepower's power. Safe to say most writers even ignore the uru enhancements, as the scar was visible only in the final issue of Fear Itself.
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Yeah, that's all I was really getting at. If the shield doesn't have some sort of defined, passive resistance to direct matter manipulation, then it's hard to say what 'level' of power would be required to disassemble it like that -- but most matter manipulators with decent competency *should* be capable of doing the same thing.
Surfer, for example, should also be able to do it... But in a comic, he'd just spam generic 'cosmic blasts', which the shield would soak.
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Yes indeed. Owen's always had massive potential. Even in his very first appearance in 1963, Uatu stated that Owen had the power to wipe out universes: https://ibb.co/xgDVtCX
That's why I keep referring back to potential power vs. actualized power... Because Owen's actualized power at any given time is completely dependent on his mental state.
Back when the mental blocks were in place, Owen was typically treated as a c-list dipshit, who the F4 could handle with mid-diff(his insane potential notwithstanding.) After Doom removed his mental blocks, however, Owen could finally access the depths of his potential, and became a multiversal powerhouse(second only to the Beyonder himself.)
IOW, Owen's raw potential doesn't change. His ability to access said potential is what fluctuates.
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Pretty sure Sersi transmuted the shield during the Galactic Storm story line.
Captain America #399.
At least the implication is there, as it isn't seen again until after she changes the Avengers back.
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