I already said no, why repeat the same question in a different way? It doesn't change the answer.
You are totally missing my point. I'm not making a judgement on whether the child that is produced of rape whould be abort. I am not qualified to amek that decision in any way, shape or form.
What I am saying is that if my partner was in that position then I would support her, no matter what she decided to do.
However that stance is specific to the rape situation only.
In general I am against abortion unless there are overiding medical reasons for aborting the pregnancy, as I discussed earlier.
well, your wife/girlfriend could have another opinion and ofcourse you have to respect that! And it's only logical to be suportive!!
How would you know if you are wanted? I mean,... ... if your parents tell you suddenly: you know... we never wanted you, we just had you because our parents obligated us...
what would your reaction be?
That reaction you will have will be your real opinion...
Do you belive this was a religious invention, it has been the way of the world since the dawn of man, it is just in human nature to seek revenge.
It also was the Viking way if one of your kin was killed you were allowed to seek revenge through killing the "killer" and noone would judge you for it. No one beside the kinman of the "killer" who now were allowed to hunt you until the the warlord or the king said enough is enough. If they did so no vendeatta or bloodrevenge were allowed.
Actually, the "we don't want you" thing is the clincher. As I said before, haviong such a child and raising it with love can at least have possibilities of it being turned to something good. Whatever happens, the child itself is NEVER to blame - not for it getting killed in the womb, not for being rejected in life. It's not kid's fault, never!
But I agree with RC that this kind of thing is very rare. VERY rare. I find it strange that debates on death penalty, abortion, euthenasia etc. are usually taken to extremes to justify it. "What if you were in a very very bad situation like...." That's no real way to seriously debate it, because extreme and rare circumstances become the justification for many more and very less extreme situations. I think that's odd. Here we go justifying abortion by using the example of a rape victim getting pregnant. But that's not daily practise. The real reasons for abortion are usually that someone gets pregnant in a one night stand, because they weren't careful enough, because it doesn't fit in a career plan, because women don't want to be a mother etc. etc. A news programme here in Holland tested an abortion clinic if they could get an abortion just because the women said she was going on a holiday. There was no problem in getting one!!
So yes, I agree with Ush: don't risk the change of killing a human life. And look at the reasons: they are usually very selfish. You want the sex but not the natural result, which is a pregnancy. I say: you do that, but if you do get pregnant, face the consequences.
I think one of the problems around sex in relationships and with stuff like abortion is that sex is seen apart from procreation, as if these have nothing to do with each other. But maybe I'm just old fashioned...
Fit? Hmmmm.... there is no training or education for that you know. I think it's more a matter of not WANTING to be fit for it. So in that case, yes, why not. If you want to be childless, why not sterilise, it will prevent a lot of moral dillemmas.
Well, that's another dilemma? That's defining if we as a society should or must judge whether someone is fit to be a parent..
The case I was talking about is that people who say they don't want kids or find themselves unfit parents should perhaps let themselves be sterilised, at least that'd be fair. Otherwise if one DO get pregnant, others will have to solve the problem, we as a society must solve the mother's problem by agreeing as a democracy that you can have your foetus removed. That sounds like the pleasure for not-to-be-mommy and the burden is for society.
In the case of drug addicts that's a bit more tricky and dangerous. Because, where do you draw the line. You may start at drug addicts, but what is it that you delcare them unfit parents for. For the use of drugs itself? Why not then people who smoke or drink alcohol?
For being unaccountable most of the time? And then how do you define unaccountable? Tricky area, but I get your point. Quite a dilemma.
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Dec 27th, 2001 10:36 PM
so moving to GDF.
