Wolverine vs. Spider-Man

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
No, it's not.

By much less webbing? Never happened.

If you mean the issue written by Robert Kirkman, then actually he managed to free himself and it was a shitload of webbing + a non-fight scenario.

Show me more scans of Logan breaking out of a cocoon of webbing, then.

Uh, he WAS incapacitated, if even for a moment. And you mean to tell me that he freed himself out of Spidey's web by sheer strength alone? Don't be silly. He had to pretty much rely on his claws in order to get out. Fact is, it's not really within Logan's capabality to do so, unless he suddenly became a 10+ tonner.

Originally posted by dial J for Josh
Spidey still wins. And Spidey always had the potential to defeat logan. Logan said so himself that spidey lacks the killer instinct to put him down. Now I would give Doc Ock the win over Logan. And no I won't bring up the scenario where SpOck embarrassed Logan since his claws weren't drawn and he didn't want to hurt him. SpOck does indeed have that killer-instinct and he never sandbags. This is why I love SpOck he is willing to push his body to the limit and demonstrates what peter could become.

Nah, Kaine loses against Logan, tbh.

Originally posted by IHateCoughing
Show me more scans of Logan breaking out of a cocoon of webbing, then.

Cocoon type specifically? Only once in 616. It also happened outside of the main universe (cannot be used here, though). No evidence of the opposite thing happening 🙂

Originally posted by IHateCoughing
Uh, he WAS incapacitated, if even for a moment. And you mean to tell me that he freed himself out of Spidey's web by sheer strength alone? Don't be silly. He had to pretty much rely on his claws in order to get out. Fact is, it's not really within Logan's capabality to do so, unless he suddenly became a 10+ tonner.

I didn't say that, stop trying to put words into my mouth, makes you look silly 😛

Yes, the claws, the ones he always carries with him and can't be disarmed from. Incap is simply not happening here unless Spidey goes totally OOC and spams it like crazy. And even then that "argument" could be countered with Wolverine doing a ninja-vanish and appearing right behind him...

What about when Spidey webbed up Logan and left his claws webbed up to his skull. That seemed like the one fair case where Spidey incapacitated Logan with webs.

That was one of the examples being discussed; [list]

[*] Wolverine found a way to free himself in a reasonable time

[*] Parker webbed him up in a non-fight scenario[/list]

Originally posted by IHateCoughing
Nah, Kaine loses against Logan, tbh.

Tell me your joking. Kaine already embarrassed Logan and the entire X-Men at the same time while sand bagging. Kaine is low-meta.

Got lucky, major heart injury doesn't always stop Logan.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Got lucky, major heart injury doesn't always stop Logan.

Doesn't matter it was enough to kill him for a considerable amount of time. And to secure a clean forum win.

Originally posted by dial J for Josh
Doesn't matter it was enough to kill him for a considerable amount of time. And to secure a clean forum win.

Yes, but there are also showings in which Logan recovered incredibly fast from worse or comparable damage. Like Secret War instance in which his heart grew up in mere moments after Quake blew it up. Or when he was still fighting (and winning) literally without his heart in Logan mini-series, etc.

One fight is not enough to make it an official stomp on forums, we look at character's entire history.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Yes, but there are also showings in which Logan recovered incredibly fast from worse or comparable damage. Like Secret War instance in which his heart grew up in mere moments after Quake blew it up. Or when he was still fighting (and winning) literally without his heart in Logan mini-series, etc.

One fight is not enough to make it an official stomp on forums, we look at character's entire history.

Yes I've read the comics where wolverine's heart was eaten and his arteries were pumping blood into an empty space and he still killed the guy who did it. And when he survived point blank nuclear explosions. All of that is cool but he still got killed by Kaine and koed on mutiple occasions so it does not matter. And you said that we are looking at the entire history, so I am pretty sure you are aware that logans healing factor has significantly been nerfed. If we are going strictly off of his durability feats then you mine as well say he is the greatest street level character in comic history who can never be defeated.

Originally posted by dial J for Josh
Yes I've read the comics where wolverine's heart was eaten and his arteries were pumping blood into an empty space and he still killed the guy who did it. And when he survived point blank nuclear explosions. All of that is cool but he still got killed by Kaine and koed on mutiple occasions so it does not matter. And you said that we are looking at the entire history, so I am pretty sure you are aware that logans healing factor has significantly been nerfed. If we are going strictly off of his durability feats then you mine as well say he is the greatest street level character in comic history who can never be defeated.

That was the one from "Logan" mini, yeah.

In Cornell's book HF got turned off even, don't know if it still is. But before that, it was working great, despite what Azrael or Beast said about the possibility of this power being reduced somewhat.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Cocoon type specifically? Only once in 616. It also happened outside of the main universe (cannot be used here, though). No evidence of the opposite thing happening 🙂

I didn't say that, stop trying to put words into my mouth, makes you look silly 😛

Yes, the claws, the ones he always carries with him and can't be disarmed from. Incap is simply not happening here unless Spidey goes totally OOC and spams it like crazy. And even then that "argument" could be countered with Wolverine doing a ninja-vanish and appearing right behind him...

LOL. You were the one arguing for Logan's capability to break out of Parker's webbing by citing an isolated PIS-induced instance to support your case, all the while ignoring Logan's ACTUAL strength capacity. I'm CERTAINLY not putting words in your mouth, lad.

So, Spider-Man wasn't spamming his web like crazy against Logan in that one instance? Really? lolkay. What makes you think Spidey, in a fight scenario, wouldn't be utilizing more webbing on Logan once he sees him struggling to get free? That's not being OOC, pal. That's self-preservation.

Yeah, Logan's vanishing from the Spider-Sense, which would more or less be fully honed by virtue of currently be duking it out with an extremely skilled fighter equipping 6-Adamantium claws and a healing factor to boot. 🙄

Originally posted by IHateCoughing
LOL. You were the one arguing for Logan's capability to break out of Parker's webbing by citing an isolated PIS-induced instance to support your case, all the while ignoring Logan's ACTUAL strength capacity. I'm CERTAINLY not putting words in your mouth, lad.

So, Spider-Man wasn't spamming his web like crazy against Logan in that one instance? Really? lolkay. What makes you think Spidey, in a fight scenario, wouldn't be utilizing more webbing on Logan once he sees him struggling to get free? That's not being OOC, pal. That's self-preservation.

Yeah, Logan's vanishing from the Spider-Sense, which would more or less be fully honed by virtue of currently be duking it out with an extremely skilled fighter equipping 6-Adamantium claws and a healing factor to boot. 🙄

Yes, yes you were. I nowhere said that he used strength to get out, but you sure loved to imply that I did. "Isolated pis instance"... yeah riiiight... you started asking specifically for cocoon type of the webbing later 😛

Again, non-fight scenario.

Spider Sense is overrated - a lot of less skilled guys than Logan got the drop on Peter despite SS warning him.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Yes, yes you were. I nowhere said that he used strength to get out, but you sure loved to imply that I did.

Then what, pray tell, did you think he used to free himself out of the webbing in that first scan that you posted? Couldn't have been the claws alone, since, logically speaking, he shouldn't even be able to move his arms. So, what is it? I'll just save you the trouble: PIS-Induced-Strength.

"Isolated pis instance"... yeah riiiight... you started asking specifically for cocoon type of the webbing later 😛

Um, okay? The initial scan that you posted had Wolverine partially encased in webbing, just short of an actual cocoon, so I ask again: Are there anymore instances of him performing a feat like that? If not, it's PIS. Plain and simple.

Again, non-fight scenario.

Spider Sense is overrated - a lot of less skilled guys than Logan got the drop on Peter despite SS warning him.

Yei it allows him to pretty much nullify any attempts at stealth, like, y'know, Iron Fist's. SO overrated.

Even as a dead metal statue, Wolverine dominates Puny Parker.

Okay so it really confuses me this thread is over 1,000 pages long. Spider-man stomps Wolverine..always, every time. Do I even want to ask how this last more then 1 page, let alone thousands?

Surely I'm missing something, did this just become a thread for some off topic discussion that went on a very long time?

Spider-Man>Wolverine. I think that's pretty obvious but I know Wolverine has at least stalemated him on one occasion. It was in the thick book "Spider-Man vs Wolverine" from many years back. They fought in a cemetery somewhere in Europe (Germany, I believe). Peter was amazed at how fast Logan was and even questioned himself if he was faster than he was. Pete was at a disadvantage though because of the terrain. All the other fights I've seen between the two made it clear to me though that Spider-Man has the edge.

Spider-man questioning if Wolverine is indeed faster then he is..is in fact total nonsense. I'm not saying it didn't happen, just that it's a silly thing for him to think unless he has a really bad memory of his encounters with Wolverine and, overall, the X-Men.

Spidey is not Superman level fast or anything, but he can definitely dance around each attack Wolverine throws, to his hearts content.

Yeah, I'm not disputing that. I was just pointing out that one occasion. Maybe it was PIS.

Yeah, plus I'm pretty sure there is an instance where Spider-Man is taking on the X-Men(a team of which wolverine was on at the time) and it had everyone having trouble laying a hand on him. There is even a point where Nightcrawler makes a comment about how he is just as fast as Spider-Man and Spider-Man is all "lol no".

Edit:Yeah, here we go:

Notice how useful Wolverine is in the fight.