Originally posted by xmarksthespotWell you can't claim to never have brought up PIS/CIS now. 😉
A more accurate portrayal of how things should occur back in the days before Wolverine was hyped beyond recognition.If Spidey clings to a wall 8 ft up he can pretty much stalemate Wolverine.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellA C-Hater says that they want C-Master to be their brother? 😕
spoken like a true C-hater.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellThat guy is nuts.
In case you haven't noticed, you have been gone, I've been here busting my ass, you want claims. Look on the thread you were on about ryu, there's an guy who thinks batman can beat 100 ryu's.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellHe knows that IM can fly right? and that he has energy attacks?
Go to other threads, they are prolific, or Pointnel who thinks that wolverine beats iron man,
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellKarate kid? I'm not familar with him . . . that is if it's not the movie "wax on, wax off" one. . .
or wolverinefan that thinks he beats karate kid,
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellNamor. . maybe, it really depends on the circumstances. . . carnage?
or jinzin who says he beats carnage, and namor.
I don't follow how that works. . .
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellOkay. . .
srank that thinks he can beat godzilla.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellSo-so . . The US government sucks as does bueracracy and it's flawed legal system.
Need I go on? I'll take it easy on you because you've been gone, I wont show you links, how's it been?
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellUh, no. in h2h his strength doesn't count for much as has been shown on yadda yadda you know the rest.
Why is strength not a factor, oh of course!!!Only with spiderman its not.
Originally posted by CapComI'd advise you to take your own advice. You subtly suggested that I was looking at what happened in a different manner than you, and that your way was objective and not subjective.
Are you dumb? Did you forget to look at the context of what I am talking about in my post? Re-Read my post and get back to me.
Tell me, if my take is wrong, and Wolverine's healing is NOT good enough to deal with spiderman's punches then why has he on three different occasions?
Don't give me any subjective "Pis/cis" "it was the writer" crap, because it happened 3 different times.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellSo it IS organic webbing? 😉
And another thing, the organic webbing can hold wolverine fine..
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellNot his strength, though I guess you could look at it as such since it's his spinerates and not actually his 15 ton strength . . .
He uses SUPERHUMAN strength to shoot it,
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellBecause no one other than spiderman has the strength to swing on a line. . .
pull himself, and swing it, surely logan doesn't have that strength?
All this shows is that it can hold spiderman's weight. This isn't what I was arguing. 🙂
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellMy wife had come home, I got off the comp to spend time with her.
They ran off to lick their wounds.
Well you can't claim to never have brought up PIS/CIS now.
I wasn't necessarily citing the Secret Wars picture as evidence of anything. It's just a funny picture. But how is it PIS when someone (who can lift more than ten tons, has enhanced speed and reflexes and a precognitive sense) logically has the ability to anticipate and deflect away someone of Logan's mass and does so?
If I have the strength to lift ten tons and I hit someone with that strength they're gonna go flying... do you seriously deny that?
Originally posted by xmarksthespotBecause Spiderman's webbing negating nightcrawler's teleportation seems like Plot or Character induced stupidity. Which is what happened in that encounter.
I wasn't necessarily citing the Secret Wars picture as evidence of anything. It's just a funny picture. But how is it PIS when someone (who can lift more than ten tons, has enhanced speed and reflexes and a precognitive sense) logically has the ability to anticipate and deflect away someone of Logan's mass and does so?If I have the strength to lift ten tons and I hit someone with that strength they're gonna go flying... do you seriously deny that?
For that scene Spiderman was hyped up and the X-Men were powered down. Except for Xavier of course.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellBecause with strength comes an automatic portion of invulnerability. I mean with 15 tons of strength Spiderman can resist 15 tons of pressure, thus making him bulletproof.
He has 15 ton strength, logans like a teddy bear hitting at him, with evil horror film claws.
Right. . .
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellBecause you pull with all your strength when swinging on such things rather than just enough to hold your own weight up. . . Right. . .
It shows he has superhuman strength because it holds the person swinging with such strength, every action is an equal and opposite reaction.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellWhat because I have a wife? Heh . . . that doesn't mean anything. 😉
So you admit you are a guy?
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I wasn't necessarily citing the Secret Wars picture as evidence of anything. It's just a funny picture. But how is it PIS when someone (who can lift more than ten tons, has enhanced speed and reflexes and a precognitive sense) logically has the ability to anticipate and deflect away someone of Logan's mass and does so?If I have the strength to lift ten+ tons and I hit someone with that strength they're gonna go flying... do you seriously deny that?
I have to quote myself because you fail to address my question.
Do you actually believe that with 10-15 ton strength behind it when Spidey hits Wolverine... that Wolvie's not going to go flying into a wall. And that he doesn't suffer an initially injured at all..?
Healing repairs injury it does not prevent it.
There's a big difference between having a healing factor and not being susceptible to injury... Wolverine is not invulnerable to injury... unless you're implying that he heals instantaneously from blows of force that would kill normal humans?
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
unless you're implying that he heals instantaneously from blows of force that would kill normal humans?
See the url in my signature?
Take a look at it.
Yes, I'm saying he heals instataneously from blows that would kill normal humans. Of cource in the case of the one in my sig, the adamantium is a major help.
Lovely picture... and Batman takes full on punches from an angry Superman and shrugs them off... Do you even realise how illogical what you're saying is. You're implying that it takes zero time for him to heal and that the healing factor prevents him from being injured at all. You're implying that the healing factor has begun to focus on healing injuries before they've even been sustained...
The only two arguments on Wolverine's side are the fact that
1) If he stabbed Spiderman he would win, which is completely valid but assumes that Wolverine's inferior physical attributes compared to Spiderman will actually enable him to stab Spiderman in combat. It also assumes Spiderman actually has to engage in close range combat with Wolverine, which he doesn't due to his far superior ranged abilities. If he wanted to he could stalemate by just clinging to a wall out of Wolverine's reach.
2) He has a (very erratic and altered to suit any situation) healing factor.
Outcome depends on environment which hasn't been set so if it's a city area like New York then 7-7.5/10 to Spiderman, if it's a flatland area then 6/10.
Twas fun but I'm bored and sleepy now so I'm out. Have fun with Cordera whenever he gets back.
Originally posted by xmarksthespotThat's from that one wizard magazine. . . you know the guys who say ultimate spiderman only lifts 2 tons?
Lovely picture... and Batman takes full on punches from an angry Superman and shrugs them off...
Originally posted by xmarksthespotBefore they've been sustained? You've got to be kidding.
Do you even realise how illogical what you're saying is. You're implying that it takes zero time for him to heal and that the healing factor prevents him from being injured at all. You're implying that the healing factor has begun to focus on healing injuries before they've even been sustained...
Explain to me why wolverine didn't bleed to death the first time he popped his claws? How come there is like never any blood when he pops them out?
I mean people kill themselves by slitting their wrists, wouldn't shredding the blood vessels accomplish the same thing?
It's not illogical, it goes against normal human physiology. But it's illogical to apply normal human physiology to the comic book characters.
Again, only wolverine's physiology is in question, but you take for granted spiderman not breaking his legs when he jumps, or lifts something heavy, even though it has never been stated as one of his powers that he has superhuman durability. yet he takes hits that should break bones all the time. Hell HE stayed concious when Wolverine hit him . . . with the adamantium skeleton?
But I grant that to spiderman though it's never been explained as to why. Hell, this spider sesnse REALLY doesn't have any physilogical explination as to how it comes from a spider.
Spiders don't really have the spidersense spidey does, they just seem like it due to all those eyes.
Originally posted by xmarksthespotYes because wolverine has never demonstrated any leaping ability tha-*. . . have you read any wolverine comic books?
The only two arguments on Wolverine's side are the fact that
1) If he stabbed Spiderman he would win, which is completely valid but assumes that Wolverine's inferior physical attributes compared to Spiderman will actually enable him to stab Spiderman in combat. It also assumes Spiderman actually has to engage in close range combat with Wolverine, which he doesn't due to his far superior ranged abilities. If he wanted to he could stalemate by just clinging to a wall out of Wolverine's reach.
Originally posted by xmarksthespotOnly because you don't want to accept it for what it is. Hell spiderman's spidersense goes based off of danger that hasn't started yet, yet that too is granted to him.
2) He has a (very erratic and altered to suit any situation) healing factor.
Originally posted by xmarksthespotRight. . . 🙄
Outcome depends on environment which hasn't been set so if it's a city area like New York then 7-7.5/10 to Spiderman, if it's a flatland area then 6/10.
Originally posted by xmarksthespotI aways do. He's fun to talk to. 🙂
Twas fun but I'm bored and sleepy now so I'm out. Have fun with Cordera whenever he gets back.
Originally posted by Creshosk
You are aware that spiderman has fought wolverine on at least three different occasions right?
You are aware that this is a classic example of the inconsistency of Wolverines powers ?
You are aware that you forgot - such a coincidence - to mention one fight, in which SM humiliates Wolverine ?
Heh, though I have him on ignore, Who-kid? probably just said something that proves what I said about CapCom's statement about subjectivity, by putting his own subjective take on the events that happened in the story. . . What's more is he probably did it in a way to try and weaken something about wolverine that he doesn't like . . .
Or hell I'll take a stab in the dark and say that he attacked the "inconsistency" thing in a way to use wolverine at his weakest and spiderman at his strongest, kind of hypocritical thing to do.
Oh well until some one quotes him I won't know if I was right or way off base. . .