Originally posted by Metalmanx
So they really didn't make up the spider sense, just augmented it a bit.Kinda like that healing factor.
^yeah
but yall keep asking scientific reasons for the healing factor....
but nobody even bother to ask bout the spidey-sense
LOL @ all you down-low spidey stans
yall in denial
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellAnd he heals from it PDQ . . . As he did in his fights with spiderman.
So the brain would take such force, and wolverine would be defeated.
Originally posted by xmarksthespotThey've already been posted. . .
I'm sure you'll be providing some nice scans of Wolverine's superhuman 30 ft leaping ability.
Originally posted by CapComIn company crossovers that had impact on the rest of the twos storylines, and are therefore canon, and happened three different times. You haven't used ANY evidence to back up your statments other than your own opinion.
I have not pulled examples out of Crossovers.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell"I don't like it therefore it didn't happen."
Thats all your gonna get in arguments like these, with batman and wolverine particularly.Here's the favorite excuse list:
1) Wolveine took a punch from hulk. (Batman took a punch from superman.
2) Wolverine defeated 100 ninjas. (Batman knows 127 fighting styles.)
3) Wolverine has a healing factor that cannot be overcome by any strength. (Batmans gadgets work for any situation.)
over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.
Using your own opinion as fact? That's illogical.
Originally posted by Max Spidey 24Because Spiderman is invulnerable to wolverine's claws? Because its a video game?
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Originally posted by long pigDon't forget endurance. . . Wolverine would out last spiderman, then when spiderman started to get tired . . .
What can be said that already hasn't been?Spider-Man is stronger/faster/smarter
BUT
Wolverine is more durable/better fighter/can heal
Strength vs Durability=stalemate
Speed vs Skill=Stalemate
Intellect vs Healing=Stalemate.Web vs Adamantium=Stalemate, both have a lot of uses.
So, in a fight to the death, it's a friggin stalemate!
Wooptiddy doo!
Originally posted by paengReally? I've seen Wolverine hit spiderman plenty of times, if any of those times he had had his claws out spidey would have been dead. . .
I've seen many times Spiderman whoops the butt of Wolverine so I say Spiderman wins this 6/10.
Originally posted by MetalmanxThen humans shouldn't be able to crush spiders at all. . . They have 8 eyes, you don't think that's where they get it rather than a form of esp?
I think Creshok earlier that spiders don't actually have a "spider sense". But that is untrue. In way, some (I forgot which ones right now, but I will go look it up later) spiders do have a sort of precognition that alerts them to certain types of frequencies produced by other creatures, both predator and prey.So they really didn't make up the spider sense, just augmented it a bit.
Kinda like that healing factor.
Originally posted by Creshosk
You are aware that spiderman has fought wolverine on at least three different occasions right?Cemetary, rooftop and in the avengers place of training.
A cemetary battle sounds right down Wolverines alley... You tell me, was the environmental advantage for him or not. The rooftop battle was a typical hero battle.....Do you call that a fight to the finish? Neither one was trying to go for a kill and Spidey thought it was an impersonator. In the avengers place of training we can see very accurately that Wolverine negates the webbing and even transforms it into liquid... in the next panel is there any even sticking to him? Also that was a training excersize and Wolverine caught Spider-man (his ally) with a cowardly attack and lied about it being an accident ( he later said that he was jealous of Spidey's woman)
Originally posted by Creshosk
All three times spiderman has punched wolverine, all three times wolverine has hit spiderman.But I guess these don't count because they make spiderman look bad.
The only things that really made no sense were these things here: Wolverine backhanded Spider-man about fifteen feet but doesn't have the strength or mass to hit him that hard.
Wolverine tackled Spidey in the cemetary and knocked him down but Spidey has caught a Cadillac slung at him by the Scorpion without falling.
Wolverine transformed the webbing into liquid at the avengers facility.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Funny how nick fury's files mention wolverine as bringing enough more to a fight to get a level 9 while spiderman only has a 8, right?Oh wait its spiderman, so what happens in continutity doesn't count. . . unless it's in spiderman's favor.
What's funny is how you act as though the files have something to do with this particular fight when they're obviously considering every aspect of a characters abilities....If wolverine knows how to drive a tank or fly a plane that is enough to give him an edge in an overall rating. The files are not based on who would bring more to a one on one fight with no prep-time.
Originally posted by Creshosk
😆 You just hate weolverine and appearently batman.
If you like, love, or hate Wolverine it really doesn't make a difference to the facts....And the fact of the matter is that Wolverine can't and never has been able to perform feats of superhuman strength.. (lifting ability) And without superhuman strength Spider-mans webbing is not breakable except for one out of ten-thousand times....Just like with or without superhuman strength Namors punches are powerful enough to knock a character off his feet one out of tenthousand times....
In order to avoid screaming lousy writing let's just say that Wolverine is a very lucky guy. ( Spider-man's lucky too but he wouldn't have to RELY on it to beat Wolverine over half the time in a real fight where neither side had any advantages given them)
How exactly did Wolverine transform the webbing into liquid?
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Originally posted by Creshosk
Don't forget endurance. . . Wolverine would out last spiderman, then when spiderman started to get tired . . .____________________________________________________________
Then humans shouldn't be able to crush spiders at all. . . They have 8 eyes, you don't think that's where they get it rather than a form of esp?
And Spidey doesn't have endurance? He's got crazy endurance. I recall a time when Spidey fought the same battle for days.
Using your logic, human shouldn't be able to squash flies either, since they fly. There's only so much you can do to get away when your a 1/4-3 inches long. A human trying to step on a spider is like the Empire State Building falling on a person. Not really much you can do.
Originally posted by The MISTER
A cemetary battle sounds right down Wolverines alley... You tell me, was the environmental advantage for him or not. The rooftop battle was a typical hero battle.....Do you call that a fight to the finish? Neither one was trying to go for a kill and Spidey thought it was an impersonator. In the avengers place of training we can see very accurately that Wolverine negates the webbing and even transforms it into liquid... in the next panel is there any even sticking to him? Also that was a training excersize and Wolverine caught Spider-man (his ally) with a cowardly attack and lied about it being an accident ( he later said that he was jealous of Spidey's woman)
The point is that Spiderman hit wolverine, and wolverine was not knocked out. 😉
Originally posted by The MISTERBecause Spiderman weighs 10 tons? Or is it more around 100 something lbs?
The only things that really made no sense were these things here: Wolverine backhanded Spider-man about fifteen feet but doesn't have the strength or mass to hit him that hard.
Originally posted by The MISTERSpiderman had probably worn himself out punching the hell out of wolverine. They were pretty freaking close proximity when Wolverine tackled him.
Wolverine tackled Spidey in the cemetary and knocked him down but Spidey has caught a Cadillac slung at him by the Scorpion without falling.
Originally posted by The MISTERThat or it hadn't set yet.
Wolverine transformed the webbing into liquid at the avengers facility.
Originally posted by The MISTER
What's funny is how you act as though the files have something to do with this particular fight when they're obviously considering every aspect of a characters abilities....If wolverine knows how to drive a tank or fly a plane that is enough to give him an edge in an overall rating. The files are not based on who would bring more to a one on one fight with no prep-time.
Actually they are basedo n who brings more to a fight.
Because we know that spiderman has the ability to make flame retardent webbing, and that would help him in a relevent fight, but doesn't help here. 🙂
Originally posted by The MISTERIf you hate wolverine you're more likely to try and ignore, or taint facts that make him look good, and amplify the ones that make him look bad. Which is hwhat he's doing. He's already written off Wolverine's healing as Pis/cis. 🙂
If you like, love, or hate Wolverine it really doesn't make a difference to the facts....
Originally posted by The MISTEROh oh I know! ?I know!
And the fact of the matter is that Wolverine can't and never has been able to perform feats of superhuman strength.. (lifting ability) And without superhuman strength Spider-mans webbing is not breakable except for one out of ten-thousand times....Just like with or without superhuman strength Namors punches are powerful enough to knock a character off his feet one out of tenthousand times....
"Wolverine's feats are inconsistant, therefore we should use him when he's at his weakest, regardless of the number of times he's done something."
That what you're getting at? 😉
Originally posted by The MISTERWhat you consider to be lousy writing, which has happened more times than not.
In order to avoid screaming lousy writing
"I don't like it there fore it didn't happen."
No bud, I know PIS/CIS when I see it. 😉
Originally posted by The MISTERYou mean like Spiderman's indestructability? How he survives his own powers? We tend to overlook those things as given when they support spiderman, but attack things that support his enemies? 🙂
let's just say that Wolverine is a very lucky guy. ( Spider-man's lucky too but he wouldn't have to RELY on it to beat Wolverine over half the time in a real fight where neither side had any advantages given them)
Originally posted by The MISTERAgain, maybe it hadn't set at that point, maybe it was the organic webbing. Maybe the artist forgot to draw in the strands that were still stuck to wolverine.
How exactly did Wolverine transform the webbing into liquid?
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Point is, you didn't like it so therefore it didn't happen, even though it was a minor error of forgetting to draw some loose strands on wolvie.
Originally posted by MetalmanxHe has a super healing factor that abosrbs that which makes you tired?
And Spidey doesn't have endurance? He's got crazy endurance. I recall a time when Spidey fought the same battle for days.
Wow, that's not listed in his stats. 😆
Originally posted by MetalmanxYour logic bud. 😛
Using your logic,
Originally posted by MetalmanxThat's right! They seem to have a "Fly sense" that alerts them before hand and so they can move from out of the way. . .
human shouldn't be able to squash flies either, since they fly.
By the way, just like the spider, that "ESP sense" is due to the many eyes they have so they can look in every direction at once.
They know you're coming because they see you, not because they sense you.
Originally posted by MetalmanxThere is if you have ESP that goes off when someone "intends" to squash you right when they make the decision to squash you.
There's only so much you can do to get away when your a 1/4-3 inches long. A human trying to step on a spider is like the Empire State Building falling on a person. Not really much you can do.
😆
http://media.ps2.ign.com/media/681/681938/vid_1172127.html
Yeah its the upcoming game with all marvel and imperfect people bu t look. They said they based the game off skills. Wolverine just runs and slashes, but Spiderman jumps on walls, usesweb and dodges. If it was real Spider killed Wolverine or when he used his web to get hima nd the thing blew up, after that he could of just throw him off the building while he healing from that, then hes dead all over again, or koed for a while.
Wolverine has no skills.
Even game Spidey says at the begging, " You got to be kidding, this is going to be to easy". Real Wolverine can't beat Spidey, and neither can game one.
Creshosk you are simply repeating yourself now...And like I said before, you have made good points but you're only real support comes from examples that have no explanation in the least, and the statement whatever Marvel says happens will happen every time!
Instances that are unexplained in comic books are quite rare. (check it out, most everything is explained) And these unexplained instances are all that support Wolverine in this fight. Your explanation for Wolverine liquifying the webbing was.....desperate, really you should read it.... Wolverines unexplained feats are in the hundreds but almost every detail about every other characters feats are either in consistence with what the are CAPABLE of..(ex. when the 100 tonners jump a great distance that needs no explanation but when Cyclops jumps three stories there needs to be one.) OR there is some explained change in what they are capable of. ex Spider-man shoots blasts out of his hands with the explanation: he has temporary cosmic powers VS Spider-man wrestles Firelord down in the beginning of their fight using brute strength and no explanation is even attempted.
Wolverine is not almost as fast as Spidey cause he's nowhere near as strong and saying that the two aren't relative is an example of the purest denial. Spider-man is an extremist and is overdramatic cause he's alway's been like that. Quoting him doesn't change any of the facts about how strength and speed are relative.
Point is you like doesn't mean it would happen the same way every time like you try so hard to imply.
I mean really, I'm surprised at how bad the explanation you attempted for the webbing being liquified was....But that's probably why what most of what Wolverine does is just UNEXPLAINED so you actually did a better job than many many writers. You tried. 😆
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Originally posted by The MISTER
Creshosk you are simply repeating yourself now...And like I said before, you have made good points but you're only real support comes from examples that have no explanation in the least, and the statement whatever Marvel says happens will happen every time!
As opposed to others who use NO evidence of ANY type other than their own opinions.
They are MARVEL'S characters. So of COURSE how marvel portrays them is how they're going to be portrayed.
Originally posted by The MISTER
Instances that are unexplained in comic books are quite rare. (check it out, most everything is explained) And these unexplained instances are all that support Wolverine in this fight. Your explanation for Wolverine liquifying the webbing was.....desperate, really you should read it.... Wolverines unexplained feats are in the hundreds but almost every detail about every other characters feats are either in consistence with what the are CAPABLE of..(ex. when the 100 tonners jump a great distance that needs no explanation but when Cyclops jumps three stories there needs to be one.) OR there is some explained change in what they are capable of. ex Spider-man shoots blasts out of his hands with the explanation: he has temporary cosmic powers VS Spider-man wrestles Firelord down in the beginning of their fight using brute strength and no explanation is even attempted.[/
Blah blah unexplained blah blah inconsistant. Whine whine ***** moan "I didn't like it so it didn't happen"
No seriously. You can bring anything to the fight any more so you're attacking marvel's characters, you're attacking "the writing". But still haven't anything to bring to the table.
Can you explain with 100% detail how the beginging of OUR Universe came to be?
No? Then it must not have happened!
Can you explain how chris clairmont came up with wolverine? Or why Marvel took on the idea? How about you explain exactly HOW a radio active spider biting a person and altering their DNA REALLY results in spiderpowers?
Or the "X-Gene" gives natural born mutants there powers, different powers, so different that we have one who heals and has claws, another that's made out of ice, and one who looks like a monkey and has the power to tell when it's time to turn tail.
No? Guess none of that happened either then huh?
Originally posted by The MISTERActually it's not denial. Speed and power are two different things. Otherwise Flash could take out superman in a fist fight.
Wolverine is not almost as fast as Spidey cause he's nowhere near as strong and saying that the two aren't relative is an example of the purest denial.
That's why somethings are big and strong but slow, and other things are small and fast but weak.
They are two seperate stats.
Originally posted by The MISTERHe's that way because he's that way.
Spider-man is an extremist and is overdramatic cause he's alway's been like that.
No explination? Must not have happened.
Originally posted by The MISTERThey aren't though.
Quoting him doesn't change any of the facts about how strength and speed are relative.
Something can be strong, but slow, and something can be fast but weak.
Originally posted by The MISTER
Point is you like doesn't mean it would happen the same way every time like you try so hard to imply.
I don't like what's been going on with the X-Men, I don't like beasts new look. But guess what? That doesn't mean it didn't happen. I just have to accept it, rather than whining about it.
Originally posted by The MISTERJust because something doesn't have an explination doesn't mean it doesn't happen.
I mean really, I'm surprised at how bad the explanation you attempted for the webbing being liquified was....But that's probably why what most of what Wolverine does is just UNEXPLAINED so you actually did a better job than many many writers. You tried. 😆
How did life begin?
WhyX infinity until you don't have an explination.
There are some things that are simply going to go unexplained until some one explains them. Doesn't mean they didn't happen.
Originally posted by Max Spidey 24Because as we all know Video Games are still excellent sources of information.
http://media.ps2.ign.com/media/681/681938/vid_1172127.htmlYeah its the upcoming game with all marvel and imperfect people bu t look. They said they based the game off skills. Wolverine just runs and slashes, but Spiderman jumps on walls, usesweb and dodges. If it was real Spider killed Wolverine or when he used his web to get hima nd the thing blew up, after that he could of just throw him off the building while he healing from that, then hes dead all over again, or koed for a while.
Wolverine has no skills.
Even game Spidey says at the begging, " You got to be kidding, this is going to be to easy". Real Wolverine can't beat Spidey, and neither can game one.
Wolverine beats onslaught in this manner.
Hey it happened in a game so it must have happened.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Because as we all know Video Games are still excellent sources of information.Wolverine beats onslaught in this manner.
Hey it happened in a game so it must have happened.
I think your missing the point. The game based the game on the Characters skill not on how even they could make the game.
Im just showing you Spidey has more skills
sure wolverine had 50000 years but he does nothing
Like a guy is a skilled gunman, that trained for 50 years, and a new guy comes in with a bazzoka.
Anyway Spidey dont even have to come near Wolverine. He webs him wole(yes it takes a whie for wolverine to escape. Then Spidey launches him in the air.
Originally posted by Max Spidey 24And then you still have to balance it so that the game isn't broken and unfun. . .
Lol, but they worked hand to hand with marvel.
Like hercule Satan in the DBZ fighting games . . . Or any of the major crossovers (tyeah there are still broken characters like sentinal)
Or in SSBM Where Jigglypuff stomps Bowser. . .
No, I'm sorry but it's still a game.
Originally posted by Creshosk
And then you still have to balance it so that the game isn't broken and unfun. . .Like hercule Satan in the DBZ fighting games . . . Or any of the major crossovers (tyeah there are still broken characters like sentinal)
Or in SSBM Where Jigglypuff stomps Bowser. . .
No, I'm sorry but it's still a game.
Yeah but look how wolverine runs and spits, while spidey jumps on walls, webs his feat and stuff. Just the style they fight.
Originally posted by Max Spidey 24
Yeah but look how wolverine runs and spits, while spidey jumps on walls, webs his feat and stuff. Just the style they fight.
Oh look, wolverine looks so pathetic in a game, and Spiderman is so cool in a game.
Spiderman wins by shear coolness. . .
No if I were to say that Wolverine would win by sheer coolness you'd call me a . . . fanboy.
So guess what I'm going to call you for saying "Spiderman is cooler" as an argument. . .
Originally posted by Creshosk
Oh look, wolverine looks so pathetic in a game, and Spiderman is so cool in a game.Spiderman wins by shear coolness. . .
No if I were to say that Wolverine would win by sheer coolness you'd call me a . . . fanboy.
So guess what I'm going to call you for saying "Spiderman is cooler" as an argument. . .
I dont label people as Fan boys if they give a good argument.
I hear wolverine beat Godzilla, and im like wtf. Do you think he could beat Godzilla, if yes then......if no then kool.
Originally posted by Max Spidey 24Hmm . . .
I dont label people as Fan boys if they give a good argument.I hear wolverine beat Godzilla, and im like wtf. Do you think he could beat Godzilla, if yes then......if no then kool.
The old godzilla could just nuke breath wolverine down so that there were just bones. . .
The overgrown lizard Godzilla. . . There's a remote possibility that Wolverine could survive and take it out like he takes out sentinals. . .
I'm still not sure about that one. . . How long are new godzilla's arms?
Wolverine would have to go up over the thigh and up the back . . . He might be able to do it that way. . .
But the old godzilla could just nuke breath him from the get go. . .