Originally posted by Creshosk
Yeah, no arguments.as I've been saying, Wolverine outlasts him until he does start to get tired or makes a mistake.
But if Spidey has punches that are going to have tons of pressure behind them then i think it will slow wolvie down. plus he could throw him in a river. Assuming they have a river where they are fightin................
Originally posted by Creshosk
Here we go again. . .YEs, beacuse he has.
With his claws, because that what he did, Self damaging yes, but he heals from it. . .
Yes because he has, self damaging yes because he heals from it. Yes because he has, self damaging yes because he heals from it.Yes because he has, self damaging yes because he heals from it.Yes because he has, self damaging yes because he heals from it.
Whoops, I started looping without the other side. . .
No no, I really mean explain to me. I can't, for the life of me, figure out how, using this picture, Wolverine would escape. You must remember, his skull is also composed out of adamantium. His claws won't go through his skull. So, pretty much, nothing at all will happen.
The only way he gets out is by waiting for it to disentergrate. And if I remember Spidey correctly, that's about several hours.
Now please, explain it to me move-by-move, how he would escape this. I'm REALLY curious.
And one more thing. How was it determined that it only takes 500 lbs of pressure to break handcuffs? Just curious, who came up with that number, pray-tell?
Originally posted by willRulesThat's where it diverges.
But if Spidey has punches that are going to have tons of pressure behind them then i think it will slow wolvie down.
I think Wolverine's healing factor can take Spiderman's punches, without problem.
Originally posted by willRulesYeah if he had the environment advantage . . .
plus he could throw him in a river. Assuming they have a river where they are fightin................
Originally posted by MetalmanxWe don't see all of it. But he does get himself out.
No no, I really mean explain to me. I can't, for the life of me, figure out how, using this picture, Wolverine would escape. You must remember, his skull is also composed out of adamantium. His claws won't go through his skull. So, pretty much, nothing at all will happen.The only way he gets out is by waiting for it to disentergrate. And if I remember Spidey correctly, that's about several hours.
Now please, explain it to me move-by-move, how he would escape this. I'm REALLY curious.
So if you're going to use that, then part of what comes with that is Wolverine getting himself out.
Originally posted by Creshosk
We don't see all of it. But he does get himself out.So if you're going to use that, then part of what comes with that is Wolverine getting himself out.
So basically, he waited the several hours for the web to disentergrate.
I can believe that. Being as it's the only way for him to do so.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
If you truly believe that Wolverine isn't written inconsistently not only in the rate of his healing factor, but in a lot of his other physical attributes then your love of the character is blinding you.It keeps being said that those on the Spidey side keep taking the lowest examples of his healing factor. Conversely it could be said that those on the Wolverine side are constantly taking the highest examples of the healing factor. (For the record I'm not on either character's side, I'm arguing for Spiderman because in my opinion he would win more often than not. If I thought Wolverine would win I would do the same for Wolverine.)
Wolverine does [b]not
have in the traditional sense any superhuman durability to my knowledge. He has accelerated regenerative processes. These can be overloaded. Whether or not Wolverine's durability is greater than Spiderman's depends on how you view the healing factor. Overall imo it would be greater than Spiderman but that doesn't mean that it can prevent injury from occuring at all... he is not invvulnerable. His endurance is potentially higher than Spiderman's due to the healing factor rebalancing muscle pH to prevent fatigue... although this I'm not entirely convinced of. This does not give carte blanche to imply that because his durability is an advantage that Spiderman's strength (as well as a multitude of other advantages) is no longer a factor.How do I know that Wolverine should not be able, again within the traditional definition of his character, get right back up from serious neural trauma? How bout common sense. By definition Wolverine's healing factor is by means of accelerated natural processes. (although if I'm wrong then correct me)
(It would do more than this but for argument's sake) A 10 ton hitter blunt force injury knocks someone into an unconscious coma for years. This is as opposed to clean bullet wounds that would take months to heal. One heals faster than the other in ordinary people. One would heal faster than the other in Wolverine.
The tissues of the brain are incredibly complex compared to the rest of the body, they must be repaired in specific ways to restore specific functions, memories, consciousness as opposed to skeletal/cardiac muscle, adipose tissues, epithelial tissues etc. Wolverine's healing processes are highly accelerated versions of the natural processes that occur. A punch from 100+ ton lifter, or even a 10 ton lifter would disrupt all synapes and general brain chemistry, cause lesions of the brain with various results, tissue atrophy, unconsciousness, coma and probably death.
Let's say Wolverine can heal from this however... it would still take time.
How fast is Wolverine's healing factor? Beast's is approximately 2 or 3 times faster than a normal humans if I recall correctly. But Wolverine's has never been defined (because it is often a useful plot device).
He heals instantaneously? He was strung up on a cross for ages by the Reavers until Jubilee of all people rescued him. I wonder why he didn't heal instantaneously then? I mean he takes punches from Hulk unfazed according to some. I know the Reavers royally f**ked him up but by the definition I've been hearing of the healing factor here he should have healed within an hour or so max, in fact he never should have even been captured at all. For a long time afterwards he had still not fully recovered.
If he does consistently leap 30 ft in the air (another unexplained ability beyond his capabilities as someone with only enhanced strength) then Spider-man clings 40 ft up on a wall. Lemme guess... now he can jump 40 ft up? No one seems to address the fact that Spiderman does not have to melee with Wolverine. That if he wants he can just stay out of Wolverine's reach and stalemate him or attack him from afar.
When you read the comics you suspend disbelief, logic and reason as to what a character can and cannot do within the capabilities of what the character should and should not be able to do. But if here in the forums we are merely supposed to accept that Wolverine jumps right back up from punches from the Hulk, then really what's the point? These arguments are becoming circular, those who are willing to be convinced by rationale to the opposite side have and those who aren't willing won't be convinced anyway. [/B]
AWESOME post!! 😮💨
Originally posted by Creshosk
Why would you compare him to a normal middle aged man in this case?It's a tactic I've seen used in the past.
Some people discard Vader as a quadrapelegic old man on a resperator.
How can it be true AND false?
Either he has a healing factor as good as wolverine's or he doesn't.
You seem to think that Spider-man will tire quickly as a normal middle aged man would. Otherwise you wouldn't base Wolverines victory on Spider-man's exhaustion. Please show me how Wolverine was insinuated at all in the text.
Spider-man has an enhanced metabolism and a superhuman physiology but has no healing "factor". He has healed from broken bones in days instead of weeks, he simply heals faster than normal humans.
.....Oh yeah, are you going to rebut my post or just pretend like it didn't happen? You're attempt to discredit it as biased has failed. The healing factor wasn't ignored it just didn't wouldn't make a difference to the outcome of the fight. That is unless you're implying that it makes him invincible.
Originally posted by willRulesThey haven't before.
Ok wolverine has taken punches stronger than spider-man, it hurt him, he healed got back up, he has also got hit by people with ordinary strength and had trouble healing. Spidey's punches are going to hurt him.
You're trying that "inconsisttency" thing again aren't you.
Thanks for summing it up in a way that shows that it's opinion.
I think it's well within his ability to take spider punches.
Why?
Cause spiderman, despite trying has never knocked him out.
Originally posted by The MISTER
You seem to think that Spider-man will tire quickly as a normal middle aged man would. Otherwise you wouldn't base Wolverines victory on Spider-man's exhaustion. Please show me how Wolverine was insinuated at all in the text.Spider-man has an enhanced metabolism and a superhuman physiology but has no healing "factor". He has healed from broken bones in days instead of weeks, he simply heals faster than normal humans.
.....Oh yeah, are you going to rebut my post or just pretend like it didn't happen? You're attempt to discredit it as biased has failed. The healing factor wasn't ignored it just didn't wouldn't make a difference to the outcome of the fight. That is unless you're implying that it makes him invincible.
Kryptonian wolverine.
Yea wolverine is well webbed, and has insects chowing on him for eternity while webbing is all over him, before peter gets tired.
A use for the insects, torture. heal, chew, heal , chew. wolverine won't like pain then so much. 😆