Originally posted by Metalmanx
To be completely honest, I'm just glad that someone FINALLY was able to show us how it happened. Though it still doesn't make sense to me in a way...So now the strength of Wolvie's claws extending is greater than that of the web? He didn't even cut it at first, he just pushed his hand free. I mean, I'm not denying it happened...but what the hell?
Jinzin, I know you're smart, even you can't believe that to really be true. The strength of his claws extending was somehow stronger than the web itself? Stronger than Wolverine could pull? Stronger than 120,000 lbs/meter tensile strength? It makes absolutely no sense whatsover.
Still, thank you for posting that. Much better than Cresh could come up with.
actually I was thinking about this and I figure that the consistancy of the webbing has some give...this is why when spidey throws something into the webbing he's just made it causes the web to have somewhat of a spring reaction, that said, the webbing while able to hold up great amounts of weight and able to keep from breaking against so much pressure would still have that same give, once the webbing is made it still retains elasticity, otherwise spiderman couldn't "SWING" on the things...I think that even though wolverine was webbed up, he was able to use the elasticity of the webbing itself to his advantage and buy just enough room to break his claws out.......meh.....just my take on it...
Originally posted by Metalmanx
No offense, but that really shouldn't matter.First of all, it was never specified in the parameters of the thread. It just said Wolverine. Could be any Wolverine.
Second, it just really shows how inconsistant he can be even in his drawings. I know that Spiderman has been drawn different ways, but they never affected his abilities, or drew some limb out of place. And yea, I know it's not really a big deal where his claws are, but in a sense, it does in fact change his physiology.
That's all I'm trying to say.
i get ya, i just don't agree with bashing on a character when he's been drawn to a specific taste of the artist drawing him....I mean spawns cape has angular waves instead of waving like cloth would....whether it's alive or not it doesn't make sense...but I'm not about to bash him for it...
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Do you agree however, that wolverine loses if he can't break from the webbing, and if he can't use his claws he can't break from it.I already knew that he "broke" from it, but he shouldn't have.
yes I'll agree to that...I may as well be agreeing to: can someone die if you shoot them point blank in the face with a twelve gadge while they can't do anything?
but yeah...I agree..
Originally posted by jinzin
yes I'll agree to that...I may as well be agreeing to: can someone die if you shoot them point blank in the face with a twelve gadge while they can't do anything?but yeah...I agree..
Cool, I understand that, but the way the healing factor is assumed, it seems like those blasts would do little.
Its easier to shoot a guy with a shotgun, than to stab someone with knives, you see what I'm saying.
Re: Wolverine vs. Spiderman
Originally posted by media_slayer
Who would win in a fight Wolverine or Spiderman?VOTE NOW!
According to the rules where does this fight take place jinzin? (And I hate to say it but your " in the middle of nowhere" arena gives quite a few characters tremendous advantages and others disadvantages.) In order for the battleground to be equal to both characters then some creativity must be used....like including trampolines for the characters that can't jump that high when they fight an opponent that can.
Throughout this debate you have continuously tried to act as if the characters' bios weren't of any importance until there was a SHIELD file that put Wolverine at 1 mark above Spider-man in an OVERALL rating. For the duration of the debate you have stated that Spider-man's physical abilities where not far beyond Wolverines and their speed was almost equal. All this time and still today Wolverine is not acredited for even having muscles that are anywhere near as tough as Spider-mans he's noted for having unbreakable BONES and is therefore incapable of being pulped.
I agree with the rating as Wolverine would get up if a blast that was capable of killing everyone within a mile radius took Spidey and Cap out despite their shielding. He has a healing factor and that means extra lives... That, coupled with unbreakable bones and claws that can pierce and rend any metal, and don't forget the skills.....and he's one point above Spider-man.
Well Spider-man doesn't have extra lives and can die from a fatal wound. He can have his bones broken and he has nothing that he can cut anything with. He hasn't even trained in a martial art as far as I know. So why is he only one point below Wolverine?
He is vastly superior to Wolverine in EVERY physical category and is noted for it. To him Wolverine would be moving quite a bit faster than an extremely fast human and if the bios are correct that is still SLOW compared to Spider-man who has had super-speed since his abilities were first noted.
At his best Spider-man doesn't get hit by ANYTHING and doesn't miss when he shoot's his webbing.
At his best Wolverine gets hit and shrugs off EVERY blow no matter how powerful it is, healing instantaneously from everything.
At his worst Spider-man gets hit alot, dodging only lethal blows and blasts, gets ko'ed or barely survives an encounter.
At his worst Wolverine rushes foolishly into battle and is knocked unconscious by opponents like Cap.
Sooo If we will use both characters at their best, worst or anywhere in between Wolverines power lies in his abilitiy to shrug off physical damage and Spider-mans power lies in his ability to avoid recieving physical damage. Before Spider-man would recieve a fatal blow from Wolverine, Wolverine would receive a web-cocooning. It's Spidey's trademark to avoid getting hit and it's Wolverines trademark to get hit and recover. Only problem is that getting hit by the webbing doesn't have anything to do with physical damage. That would come after getting cocooned.
Wolverine said once that a clap from the hulk almost killed him. ( You wolverine fans should be aware of that fight with the gray hulk ) The hulk said that Spider-man hurt him when he boxed HIS ears. (the green hulk) If Spider-man boxed Wolverines ears he would be unconscious (because it was the enhanced senses that made the hulks clap near fatal remember?)
And enough with the ridiculous notion that Wolverine's claws will negate a STREAM of webbing! That's equivalent to saying that he'll slash away the water from a super soaker and won't get wet! Also Spider-man didn't have organic webbing when this thread was started. It's a very recent thing.
Wolverines not fast enough to avoid getting hit by webbing from every angle and especially if he's falling down. (Who want's to say that Spidey CAN'T put him on his ass and web him up while he's reeling?) 😮💨
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Too bad claws aren't a costume.If its bound tightly he can't move his writst, OR gain leverage. I'm not talking about that example, I'm saying period, if his claws were in a position where they cannot be used, he can't break free, incapacitated, and thus the loser.
bound tightly to what?
Re: Re: Wolverine vs. Spiderman
Originally posted by The MISTER
According to the rules where does this fight take place jinzin? (And I hate to say it but your " in the middle of nowhere" arena gives quite a few characters tremendous advantages and others disadvantages.) In order for the battleground to be equal to both characters then some creativity must be used....like including trampolines for the characters that can't jump that high when they fight an opponent that can.Throughout this debate you have continuously tried to act as if the characters' bios weren't of any importance until there was a SHIELD file that put Wolverine at 1 mark above Spider-man in an OVERALL rating. For the duration of the debate you have stated that Spider-man's physical abilities where not far beyond Wolverines and their speed was almost equal. All this time and still today Wolverine is not acredited for even having muscles that are anywhere near as tough as Spider-mans he's noted for having unbreakable BONES and is therefore incapable of being pulped.
I agree with the rating as Wolverine would get up if a blast that was capable of killing everyone within a mile radius took Spidey and Cap out despite their shielding. He has a healing factor and that means extra lives... That, coupled with unbreakable bones and claws that can pierce and rend any metal, and don't forget the skills.....and he's one point above Spider-man.
Well Spider-man doesn't have extra lives and can die from a fatal wound. He can have his bones broken and he has nothing that he can cut anything with. He hasn't even trained in a martial art as far as I know. So why is he only one point below Wolverine?
He is vastly superior to Wolverine in EVERY physical category and is noted for it. To him Wolverine would be moving quite a bit faster than an extremely fast human and if the bios are correct that is still SLOW compared to Spider-man who has had super-speed since his abilities were first noted.
At his best Spider-man doesn't get hit by ANYTHING and doesn't miss when he shoot's his webbing.
At his best Wolverine gets hit and shrugs off EVERY blow no matter how powerful it is, healing instantaneously from everything.
At his worst Spider-man gets hit alot, dodging only lethal blows and blasts, gets ko'ed or barely survives an encounter.
At his worst Wolverine rushes foolishly into battle and is knocked unconscious by opponents like Cap.
Sooo If we will use both characters at their best, worst or anywhere in between Wolverines power lies in his abilitiy to shrug off physical damage and Spider-mans power lies in his ability to avoid recieving physical damage. Before Spider-man would recieve a fatal blow from Wolverine, Wolverine would receive a web-cocooning. It's Spidey's trademark to avoid getting hit and it's Wolverines trademark to get hit and recover. Only problem is that getting hit by the webbing doesn't have anything to do with physical damage. That would come after getting cocooned.
Wolverine said once that a clap from the hulk almost killed him. ( You wolverine fans should be aware of that fight with the gray hulk ) The hulk said that Spider-man hurt him when he boxed HIS ears. (the green hulk) If Spider-man boxed Wolverines ears he would be unconscious (because it was the enhanced senses that made the hulks clap near fatal remember?)
And enough with the ridiculous notion that Wolverine's claws will negate a STREAM of webbing! That's equivalent to saying that he'll slash away the water from a super soaker and won't get wet! Also Spider-man didn't have organic webbing when this thread was started. It's a very recent thing.
Wolverines not fast enough to avoid getting hit by webbing from every angle and especially if he's falling down. (Who want's to say that Spidey CAN'T put him on his ass and web him up while he's reeling?) 😮💨
Wow. Nice post. 🙂
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
So this is a yes?See you are mocking again.nono
sorry, it's just that to imply that wolverine's hands will be up against himself in any manner is to say that the webbing pushes with more force on it's way out that wolverine's arms and legs...this isn't so as spiderman's webbing doesn't go through walls while slinging...thus spiderman shoots web, wolverine raises arm web hits arm and collects on arm or part of the rest of the torso...but wolverine's not in an uncomprimising position.....thus he cuts webbing...