Originally posted by PimpXMaster
Loving the Nightwing Homey sig, but can't feel the the Avatar.I thought Spidey could dish it out untill they showed me pics, of him beating spidey and another scary pic, with wolverines as a skeleton, still fighting.
BOO!
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Originally posted by MetalmanxOuch. . . he might have felt that one. . .
Ouch...I don't care how great your healing factor is...A shot with a baseball bat to the family jewels and you're down for a good while.
I mean being turned into a sieve and having your face blown off is nothing to getting kicked in the nuts. . .
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
See this is all the pro wolverine arguments.You want to go off a FEW fights, where the writer says the calls, and then say spiderman cannot do it.
YOU then want to say wolverine will play defensively like batman.
There is a huge flaw in your logic here, spiderman ( a genius), who know about the human anatomy, and is experienced, CANNOT do these things.
You aren't even arguing the same medium, you are saying whatever goes on in those comics will always happen, and whats worse, you are going off of a horribly inconsistant character to fuel your argument.
I pointed the flaw out here, and it was why you got mad.
You want to protray spiderman as someone who rushes into battle and has problems with kingpin, but protray wolverine as someone who can beat namor.
You wanted to use 3 times in the history that suited you, and say spiderman ALWAYS rushed in, but ignore HIS ENTIRE career.
x beats xxxx, thats your argument, and thats why your logic had wolverine lose to ock.
ummm we're not using the characters how we want them to be portrayed...but how they have been portrayed...considering the characters in this thread have duked it out on several occasions DIRECT COMPARISONS are absolutely the best way to gauge how they would fair against one another....
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Utter bullshit, he can't pull if his hands are disabled.Wolverine cannot move that fast anyway, why is that the only example.
I've already been over this, and you use it like you have problems catching on...
well the example is relivent when people think spiderman's gonna pin him against a wall like that...obviously wolverine has the ability to pull away from the wall fast enough to get free....(or his body pushes forward IF THAT HELPS YOU) you've been over this? no..you've been ignoring this..what happens when spiderman's webbs up wolverine's hands to a wall...well.......here's one thing that would now fit into the most likely category....
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Using dumb feats by a wolverine fanboy?That is shown to use exaggeration in movement by a comic, thats ALL your arguments.
Spiderman doesn't try to move that fast.
Its utterly stupid that you don't realized that wolverine is souped up for Namor, Hulk, and Spiderman.
Then he fights DD, elecktra, Ogun, and Marrow, and fights more on his level.
You have a delusional sense of wolverine's powers, and cannot explain HOW he moves that fast.
you used three examples of wolverine against people when he's been wounded or downgraded and one example of him fighting a character who laguhs off death and transcends light speed.....
does anyone else see the problem with this here?
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Making his healing ONE BIG PLOT DEVICE!!!He was normal in that story, then he fights someone like hulk and is a damned god, count on fanboys not to know the difference though...
why do you think you get to gauge his healing factor's consistancy when you don't read enough logan comics to know what's capable of?
Originally posted by jinzinHe's heavily biased against Wolverine and is not subjective at all.
you used three examples of wolverine against people when he's been wounded or downgraded and one example of him fighting a character who laguhs off death and transcends light speed.....does anyone else see the problem with this here?
He constantly says that he doesn't hate Woplverine, but he doesn't read his books and says that he's a flat two dimensional character. He then proceeds to dredge up feats against him, even in threads where he says he'll win.
Almost like he says that JUST to be able to say that he doesn't hate Wolverine.
I mean he says that Wolverine is powered UP to fight Spiderman.
Powered up from what? His own comics? Oh no. Even if it's something he's done 1,000 times, this is just to please the Wolverine fans.
And DESPITE showing plenty of exapmples of wolverine healing form massive injuries he says "Oh that's so they don't kill the cash cow!" Right around the same time that other cash cows were being killed off.
Uncanny X-Men 150-152 for example. Storm was killed by havok, and four other X-MEn entered into the siege perilous and I remember other X-men dying because of this table with Xs over there face.
But despite killing these characters off, AND bringing them back through wierd plot devices, they couldn't kill wolverine. . . and why not I ask?
Because of a profile and statistics that he only uses if they are in his favor.
THIS is evidenced by the Doc Ock thread. Doc Ock's stats show that he shouldn't be able to do something he does constantly, but in THAT case he rules in favor of Doc Ock's comic book feats and continues to say that Wolverine's feats are outside of his abilities.
Wolverine is bound to his profile, but noone else is. this carries over into non-spiderman threads as well, so it's obvious that he hates the character, and this bias and hypocrasy is why I don't directly respond to any of his posts. He thinks he's all that, and insists that the opinions of other people's veiw of him are valid, even if they are attacking him or have attacked him.
Originally posted by jinzinTell me one thing about that picture.....
well the example is relivent when people think spiderman's gonna pin him against a wall like that...obviously wolverine has the ability to pull away from the wall fast enough to get free....(or his body pushes forward IF THAT HELPS YOU) you've been over this? no..you've been ignoring this..what happens when spiderman's webbs up wolverine's hands to a wall...well.......here's one thing that would now fit into the most likely category....
How did Wolverine negate the strength and stickiness of the webbing, causing it to literally fall completely from his body. You can see in the panels after that one that there is no webbing at all on Wolverine.
In another thread there is an example of Wolverine not being capable of piercing the Thing with his claws. In another comic he is shown piercing the Thing easily.
The one where he pierces the thing easily is the one that fits his character and abilities. The one where he couldn't was not consistent with the character.
They can't both be accurate portrayals so the one that is in conjunction with the given abilities of each character is accurate.
Now that you are familiar with comics actually containing innacurate portrayals of well known characters then how can you say that a man who has no superhuman strength can tear through Spider-man's webbing
( and if you're unfamiliar with how strong it was, TWO STRANDS were already strong enough to lift and throw an 800 lb man into a wall, and for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction so there was at least half a ton of exertion on the strands)
AND cause it to lose all of it's stickiness to the point where there is NONE on him at all not even on his back where he got hit with it in the first place? Does his suit heal as well?
wolverine's not 800 pounds.... 😕
the webbing falling off...I'm pretty sure that's just artists being lazy...it however did not effect the end result of the story....
who know's why wolverine can peirce thing in one instance ut then not in another..maybe bias writing..does anyone know where that pic came from anyways?
anywho..we DO have to assess the situation on a system of most likelys but if we are to do that WHILE using them at their absolute 100% best, YET avoid bad writing pis and cis....then............well...........HOW THE **** are we supposed to make an accurate assessment?
we can't...not given those rules....which is why I keep defering to the direct comparisons...they are the best source for evidence for this fight we can get...
Originally posted by Creshosk
He's heavily biased against Wolverine and is not subjective at all.He constantly says that he doesn't hate Woplverine, but he doesn't read his books and says that he's a flat two dimensional character. He then proceeds to dredge up feats against him, even in threads where he says he'll win.
Almost like he says that JUST to be able to say that he doesn't hate Wolverine.
I mean he says that Wolverine is powered UP to fight Spiderman.
Powered up from what? His own comics? Oh no. Even if it's something he's done 1,000 times, this is just to please the Wolverine fans.
And DESPITE showing plenty of exapmples of wolverine healing form massive injuries he says "Oh that's so they don't kill the cash cow!" Right around the same time that other cash cows were being killed off.
Uncanny X-Men 150-152 for example. Storm was killed by havok, and four other X-MEn entered into the siege perilous and I remember other X-men dying because of this table with Xs over there face.
But despite killing these characters off, AND bringing them back through wierd plot devices, they couldn't kill wolverine. . . and why not I ask?
Because of a profile and statistics that he only uses if they are in his favor.
THIS is evidenced by the Doc Ock thread. Doc Ock's stats show that he shouldn't be able to do something he does constantly, but in THAT case he rules in favor of Doc Ock's comic book feats and continues to say that Wolverine's feats are outside of his abilities.
Wolverine is bound to his profile, but noone else is. this carries over into non-spiderman threads as well, so it's obvious that he hates the character, and this bias and hypocrasy is why I don't directly respond to any of his posts. He thinks he's all that, and insists that the opinions of other people's veiw of him are valid, even if they are attacking him or have attacked him.
The pot said to the kettle....
What are Wolverines stats again? He's not strong enough to muscle out of being wrapped up in large amounts of duct tape ( According to his stats ) but you pretend as if the webbing is too weak to hold him and Spidey's too slow to hit him.
You prove yourself to be biased for Wolverine repeatedly....
I have never said that Wolverine couldn't beat Spider-man but I can't see what puts the odds in his favor. His inside are normal unlike his bones and his bio contradicts some of the things that he has done. Some, not all but I mainly see his supporters producing examples that contradict the character bios.
what makes character bios more accurate than comics? they both have to go through the marvel board of approval..they both are consented to be produced and distributed...they have both been written by a noraml guy who works for the company trying to make a buck, they both contradict the hell out of one another....
sabretooth was described as a peak human for YEARS and YEARS, I shouldn't even have to tell you what's wrong with that....
but don't feel that wolverine has the sufficient strength to tear out of webbing without his claws...but I do feel he can pull himself away from a wall before webbing adheres when only attached by singular strands....that's just my opinion...which happens to have been backed up to some degree by marvel....but I guess we're both...or all entitled to our own...