So what your saying is spider-man isnt aloud to make himself a bat out of webbing, which he can do, and they pack quite a wallop, and as for being so tried against wolverine, how was he so tired against wolvy but was fine fighting the sinister six 1 after the other by himself and yes he was going all out, he would have too against them, he was still fine even and after taking lots of damage.
Its just another stupid plot device having spider-man "so tired" after his ifhgt with wolvy to make wolvy look tough, thats right a plot device thats all it realy is in the end, when wolverine gets a stupid power boost or his enemy gets a severe power decrease.
Sure going for the gut would leave spider-man open, but all he would have to do is hit wolvy in the back o the head which would stun wolvy for 1-2 seconds or at least let him topple leaving him open to go for the gut again stunning wolvy giving him time to escape before he recovers.
and if wolverine is so weak against drugs as you said (i think it was u) then spider-man could just use his stingers, (if he has them I dnt think he takes them anymore, iv only ever seen peter use em twice gainst the blak tarantular and gainst vulture)
Originally posted by SparkzWe don't know how long the fight lasted and how hard he was exerting himself.
So what your saying is spider-man isnt aloud to make himself a bat out of webbing, which he can do, and they pack quite a wallop, and as for being so tried against wolverine, how was he so tired against wolvy but was fine fighting the sinister six 1 after the other by himself and yes he was going all out, he would have too against them, he was still fine even and after taking lots of damage.
Originally posted by SparkzWolverine's healing factor is better than Spidermans. You REALLY think that if spiderman was just going h2h he'd outlast Wolverine?
Its just another stupid plot device having spider-man "so tired" after his ifhgt with wolvy to make wolvy look tough, thats right a plot device thats all it realy is in the end, when wolverine gets a stupid power boost or his enemy gets a severe power decrease.
Originally posted by SparkzHow fast do you think Hulk punches? If Hulk can't knock Wolverine out that easily why would Spiderman who is about 6 times weaker?
Sure going for the gut would leave spider-man open, but all he would have to do is hit wolvy in the back o the head which would stun wolvy for 1-2 seconds or at least let him topple leaving him open to go for the gut again stunning wolvy giving him time to escape before he recovers.
Originally posted by SparkzStandard equipment only, he doesn't regularly have those so no, Spiderman doesn't get those.
and if wolverine is so weak against drugs as you said (i think it was u) then spider-man could just use his stingers, (if he has them I dnt think he takes them anymore, iv only ever seen peter use em twice gainst the blak tarantular and gainst vulture)
There are like....so many ways spiderman could win this.
Spidey webs Wolvie's feet. While Logan is cutting the web, Spidey webs Logan's hands to his sides. Spidey finds an Escalade and smashes Logan several times to make sure Logan is out for a little bit. Spidey goes and rips off some steel railing and approaches the healing Wolverine. Spidey smashes Logan with the SUV some more times for good measure and ties Wolverine's claws permanetly to his sides with the steel railing. Spidey smashes Logan with the car again for no real reason and finally twists it tightly around Wolverine. Spidey forcefully rips out Wolverine's claws. Spiderman finally picks the car encircled Wolverine up and throws him into a large body of water. Wolverine can't claw his way out and now must gain a new taste for sushi.
Originally posted by StyleTimeBecause it takes hours to cut himself free. . .
There are like....so many ways spiderman could win this.
Spidey webs Wolvie's feet. While Logan is cutting the web,
Originally posted by StyleTimeassuming wolverine just stood there for the foot webbing. . .
Spidey webs Logan's hands to his sides.
Originally posted by StyleTimeHey he probably found it up his ass, since that's Spiderman's new power, making cars appear out of nowhere.
Spidey finds an Escalade and smashes Logan several times to make sure Logan is out for a little bit.
Originally posted by StyleTimeAnd appearently what ever else he needs. . .
Spidey goes and rips off some steel railing
Originally posted by StyleTime
and approaches the healing Wolverine. Spidey smashes Logan with the SUV some more times for good measure and ties Wolverine's claws permanetly to his sides with the steel railing. Spidey smashes Logan with the car again for no real reason and finally twists it tightly around Wolverine. Spidey forcefully rips out Wolverine's claws. Spiderman finally picks the car encircled Wolverine up and throws him into a large body of water. Wolverine can't claw his way out and now must gain a new taste for sushi.
How about Wolverine activates an anti-spiderman robot that just happeened to be lying around, and it thorughly kills spiderman?
Why not that? Since what ever Spiderman needs just happens to be there.
Or you know we could go by forum rules, no outside interference, and only what they normally have on them.
Well, looks like someone's feeling sarcastic today...
Anyway. I wish people would stop using "pain" and "injury" interchangeably.
Oh and these aren't very applicable analogies.
Originally posted by CreshoskConsidering Hulk exceeding 800 lbs, Human Torch exceeding 100 degrees and Quicksilver exceeding 300 mph is all part of their stated power set. And considering Human Torch and Quicksilver have stated limits if I recall. Wolverine, aside from the laced skeleton which only serves to maintains skeletal structure in the face of physical trauma, has at best peak human durability of his other tissues. He has a superhuman healing factor. A healing factor doesn't prevent initial injury - this being a relatively obvious fact, however some choose to take a contrary position. It can recover from injruy and prevent compounding of injury to an extent - and the extent is what is in question when limits are questioned. However injury can overwhelm the healing factor and kill Wolverine - this is stated - even though this has never and likely will never occur in the comics, and the opinions of people supporting Wolverine.
Why not limit hulk's strength to 800 pounds? Despite it preforming better consistantly in the comics.
Or limiting human torch to 100 degress celsius?
Or limiting quicksilver to 300 mph?
Originally posted by Creshosk
Wolverine's healing factor is better than Spidermans. You REALLY think that if spiderman was just going h2h he'd outlast Wolverine?
I didnt say that, I'm just saying spider-man dsnt tire so easily, and when did i mention spideys healing factor?
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Yeah but the difference is spider-man can hit wolverine alot more than hulk can, sure it would take a while but his healing factor would eventuly become overloaded, now im not talking about exhastion here, I'm talking about how effective spider-mans hits would be, because once the healing factor couldnt take all the damage wolverine has been given (yes i know it would take along time) wolverine can be easily knocked out by spider-man, of course overloading wolverines healing factor would probaly take spider-man an hour of constant hits.
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Fair enough.
Originally posted by xmarksthespotMe too.
Well, looks like someone's feeling sarcastic today...Anyway. I wish people would stop using "pain" and "injury" interchangeably.
Originally posted by xmarksthespotThe point is that one might be setting limits that aren't there. As you said those characters surpass the "suggested" limits I showed. So we wouldn't set those limits on them when we know that they surpass those limits easily. So why would we set a limit on Wolverine? Just because he's Wolverine?
Oh and these aren't very applicable analogies.
Considering Hulk exceeding 800 lbs, Human Torch exceeding 100 degrees and Quicksilver exceeding 300 mph is all part of their stated power set. And considering Human Torch and Quicksilver have stated limits if I recall. Wolverine, aside from the laced skeleton which only serves to maintains skeletal structure in the face of physical trauma, has at best peak human durability of his other tissues. He has a superhuman healing factor. A healing factor doesn't prevent initial injury - this being a relatively obvious fact, however some choose to take a contrary position. It can recover from injruy and prevent compounding of injury to an extent - and the extent is what is in question when limits are questioned. However injury can overwhelm the healing factor and kill Wolverine - this is stated - even though this has never and likely will never occur in the comics, and the opinions of people supporting Wolverine.
Originally posted by SparkzYou sure as hell implied it by saying that Wolverine outlasting Spiderman is OIS
I didnt say that, I'm just saying spider-man dsnt tire so easily, and when did i mention spideys healing factor?
Originally posted by SparkzAnd he still wouldn't do as much damage as hulk can do in a single punch.
Yeah but the difference is spider-man can hit wolverine alot more than hulk can,
Originally posted by SparkzBefore or after Spiderman's did, causing him to tire?
sure it would take a while but his healing factor would eventuly become overloaded,
Originally posted by SparkzThey wouldn't be more effective than hulks.
now im not talking about exhastion here, I'm talking about how effective spider-mans hits would be,
Originally posted by SparkzThe question I'm posing to you is could spiderman acheive this before he himself tired?
because once the healing factor couldnt take all the damage wolverine has been given (yes i know it would take along time)
Originally posted by SparkzFunny how it's never happened then huh?
wolverine can be easily knocked out by spider-man,
Originally posted by SparkzAn hour? I think Wolverine takes more damage from Hulk in a shorter time, but he seems to do allright. You are underrating Wolverine's helaing factor. . .
of course overloading wolverines healing factor would probaly take spider-man an hour of constant hits.
Originally posted by CreshoskI meant you, lol. I was trying to be subtle.
Me too.
Originally posted by CreshoskActually an equally posable question is "Why wouldn't we set a limit on Wolverine? Just because he's Wolverine?" I'd set a limit on Torch, and Quicksilver, temperature- and velocity-wise, respectively as they do have limits to their abilities. The way the Wolverine threads are approached sometimes one would think that people believe Wolverine has no limits. The limit set on Wolverine is that too much damage will kill him - intentionally vague so Marvel writers can do whatever the hell they want with him.
The point is that one might be setting limits that aren't there. As you said those characters surpass the "suggested" limits I showed. So we wouldn't set those limits on them when we know that they surpass those limits easily. So why would we set a limit on Wolverine? Just because he's Wolverine?
EDIT: oh and I take back Quicksilver exceeding 300 mph because apparently he can only run up to 175 mph
Originally posted by Creshosk
Me too.The point is that one might be setting limits that aren't there. As you said those characters surpass the "suggested" limits I showed. So we wouldn't set those limits on them when we know that they surpass those limits easily. So why would we set a limit on Wolverine? Just because he's Wolverine?
You sure as hell implied it by saying that Wolverine outlasting Spiderman is OIS
And he still wouldn't do as much damage as hulk can do in a single punch.
Before or after Spiderman's did, causing him to tire?
They wouldn't be more effective than hulks.
The question I'm posing to you is could spiderman acheive this before he himself tired?
Funny how it's never happened then huh?
An hour? I think Wolverine takes more damage from Hulk in a shorter time, but he seems to do allright. You are underrating Wolverine's helaing factor. . .
OIS??
I didnt say he would do more damage than the hulk in 1 punch, where did you get that from??
And no i don't suppose Spider-man could overload his healing factor before he would tire, unless he was using a weapon like a web bat, or something.
And when did say spider-man can easily knock out wolverine, lol I can't even rember saying that, not sure why i said it either, may have been sarcastic.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I meant you, lol. I was trying to be subtle.
Actually an equally posable question is "Why wouldn't we set a limit on Wolverine? Just because he's Wolverine?" I'd set a limit on Torch, and Quicksilver, temperature- and velocity-wise, respectively as they do have limits to their abilities. The way the Wolverine threads are approached sometimes one would think that people believe Wolverine has no limits. The limit set on Wolverine is that too much damage will kill him - intentionally vague so Marvel writers can do whatever the hell they want with him.EDIT: oh and I take back Quicksilver exceeding 300 mph because apparently he can only run up to 175 mph
Just a quick note. Actually, Quicksilver can surpass Mach 10 now. Currently, it is unknown what his true potential is, he could go even faster than that. But that's just a figure to get you familiar with how fast he goes now.
You know, I've been thinking more about the strength of both Hulk's and Spidey's punches on Wolverine.
I know Spidey isn't nearly as strong, but he has the advantage of being small. Hulks fist is about 1.5 feet big, while Spidey's fist is about 3-4 inches big.
I know Hulk hits harder, mainly because he's stronger. But, in turns of pain and actually damage, I belive Spidey's punches cause more pain and damage to a person.
Think about it like this. A 1.5 foot wide wrecking ball hits you at a decent speed, say 60 mph. It hurts, yes. I'm not denying this. But if you're prepared for it, it won't hurt nearly as bad, since it hits most of your body at once, dispersing the damage evenly. The most it would probably due in terms of damage is knock the wind out of the person, break a few bones, and KO him.
Now, same scenario (not really, heh), but replace the wrecking ball with a solid titanium pipe 3.5 inches in diameter. And have it hit you at close to 400 mph. No matter if you're ready for it or not, the pipe will do so much more damage. In fact, it would pierce you or knock your head off or anything like that. It can indeed cause more bodily harm than the wrecking ball.
Now, wrecking ball=Hulk's fist, titanium pipe=Spiderman's fist.
I'm just saying. This is my opinion. I think concentrated blows (not holding back) on Spidey's part should and will damage Wolverine much more.
Originally posted by xmarksthespotI haven't used pain and injury interchangably. . the only word that was used was a word that can mean either "hurt". But I only used that word after someone else did.
I meant you, lol. I was trying to be subtle.
Originally posted by xmarksthespotNo, because the limits that are trying to be imposed have been regularly passed.
Actually an equally posable question is "Why wouldn't we set a limit on Wolverine? Just because he's Wolverine?"
There may not be a specified limit on Wolverine's healing factor, but we also don't truly know the upper end limit to the characters I mentioned.
Originally posted by xmarksthespotAnd those would be what?
I'd set a limit on Torch, and Quicksilver, temperature- and velocity-wise, respectively as they do have limits to their abilities.
We know torch could go nova, but doesn't due to the damage he could do. But is Nova the highest he can go?
We know hulk gets strong, very very strong, we don't really know HOW strong he can get. But obviously it's shown to be higher than the number I mentioned.
Originally posted by xmarksthespotand how much is "too much"?
The way the Wolverine threads are approached sometimes one would think that people believe Wolverine has no limits./[quote] No, he has limits, we just don't really know what they are as that is another peice of data that Marvel has never really come out and said and then shown. Sure there is that "blood and organ loss" line, that he has shown to do better than. How much blood does he need to loose? enough to fill a bathtub? A swimming pool? A lake full? an ocean full?[QUOTE=5104560]Originally posted by xmarksthespot
The limit set on Wolverine is that too much damage will kill him
Originally posted by xmarksthespotMuch like Hulk's strength etc etc etc
- intentionally vague so Marvel writers can do whatever the hell they want with him.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot🤨 where did you get THAT from? He can at least run at Mach 10 (ten times the speed of sound. The speed of sound is 340.29 (meters / second) = 761.207051 mph. So he can at least run at 3,402.9 (meters / second) = 7,612.07051 mph)
EDIT: oh and I take back Quicksilver exceeding 300 mph because apparently he can only run up to 175 mph
Originally posted by Metalmanx
You know, I've been thinking more about the strength of both Hulk's and Spidey's punches on Wolverine.I know Spidey isn't nearly as strong, but he has the advantage of being small. Hulks fist is about 1.5 feet big, while Spidey's fist is about 3-4 inches big.
I know Hulk hits harder, mainly because he's stronger. But, in turns of pain and actually damage, I belive Spidey's punches cause more pain and damage to a person.
Think about it like this. A 1.5 foot wide wrecking ball hits you at a decent speed, say 60 mph. It hurts, yes. I'm not denying this. But if you're prepared for it, it won't hurt nearly as bad, since it hits most of your body at once, dispersing the damage evenly. The most it would probably due in terms of damage is knock the wind out of the person, break a few bones, and KO him.
Now, same scenario (not really, heh), but replace the wrecking ball with a solid titanium pipe 3.5 inches in diameter. And have it hit you at close to 400 mph. No matter if you're ready for it or not, the pipe will do so much more damage. In fact, it would pierce you or knock your head off or anything like that. It can indeed cause more bodily harm than the wrecking ball.
Now, wrecking ball=Hulk's fist, titanium pipe=Spiderman's fist.
I'm just saying. This is my opinion. I think concentrated blows (not holding back) on Spidey's part should and will damage Wolverine much more.
Spiderman's punches do more damage than hulks? 🤨
That sorta sounds like someone saying that Batman's punches do more damage than spidermans. 🤨
the problem with your theory is Hulk's force is MUCH higher. If he hit with the same force as spiderman then yes Spiderman's would indeed do more damage, However being about 6 times more force, that pretty much cancels out the effectiv application of Spiderman's punches versus hulks.
for the 1234246576787999999 millionth time, the stats
w= wolverine s= Spider-man d= draw
Intelligence s
Strength s
Fighting skills W
Experience w
speed s
Reflexes s
Energy projection s ( Spidey has webbing)
Durability w
W = 3 S = 5
Miscellaneous Spider-man has a spider-sense so in theory he can potentially dodge any move. Wolverine has adamantium skeleton and claws. Spider-man has wall-crawling. Wolverine has enhanced senses. Spider-man has webbing.
I truly believe that wolverine cannot cut out of his webbing. Marvel knights 13 was P.I.S. Characters who are under 50 tons are unable to break out of it. Wolverine has his claws you say? true but when you consider the facts that webbing is sticky and that comparing cutting the web with the claws is like trying to cut down five one ton thick, ten inch, metal doors, with only an adamantium penknife to help......
Originally posted by Creshosk
Spiderman's punches do more damage than hulks? 🤨That sorta sounds like someone saying that Batman's punches do more damage than spidermans. 🤨
the problem with your theory is Hulk's force is MUCH higher. If he hit with the same force as spiderman then yes Spiderman's would indeed do more damage, However being about 6 times more force, that pretty much cancels out the effectiv application of Spiderman's punches versus hulks.
I think you're misunderstanding. Which is okay, cuz that theory is kind of out there anyway.
But do you kinda see what I'm saying here at least? My theory is that Spiderman's punches would do more damage to Wolverine than the Hulks, not so much that Spidey's punches are more powerful than Hulk's.
Hulk's punches hit Wolvie's entire body, the damage very evenly dispersed via his adamantium skeleton. Which now starts to make more sense to me.
Though Spidey, on the other hand, will be hitting him in smaller spots, not really hitting most of the the skeleon at all (like the gut or face), which means his attack won't be dispersed the same way. All that damage will end up in one spot. If Spidey doesn't hold back, he should be able to punch right through Wolverine (like the stomach area).
That's all I was trying to say.
Originally posted by willRules
for the 1234246576787999999 millionth time, the statsw= wolverine s= Spider-man d= draw
Intelligence s
Strength s
Fighting skills W
Experience w
speed s
Reflexes s
Energy projection s ( Spidey has webbing)
Durability wW = 3 S = 5
Miscellaneous Spider-man has a spider-sense so in theory he can potentially dodge any move. Wolverine has adamantium skeleton and claws. Spider-man has wall-crawling. Wolverine has enhanced senses. Spider-man has webbing.
I truly believe that wolverine cannot cut out of his webbing. Marvel knights 13 was P.I.S. Characters who are under 50 tons are unable to break out of it. Wolverine has his claws you say? true but when you consider the facts that webbing is sticky and that comparing cutting the web with the claws is like trying to cut down five one ton thick, ten inch, metal doors, with only an adamantium penknife to help......
And the fact that the webbing is stretchy so its hould move with his claws and because he dsnt have the nesicary strength to break it, so it shouldn't cut because wolverine dsnt have the strength to slice through it, but of course wolverine can cut through it so it dsnt realy matter.
As for the sats, no1 cares cause they are so widly spaced and are very inaccurate.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
I think you're misunderstanding. Which is okay, cuz that theory is kind of out there anyway.But do you kinda see what I'm saying here at least? My theory is that Spiderman's punches would do more damage to Wolverine than the Hulks, not so much that Spidey's punches are more powerful than Hulk's.
Hulk's punches hit Wolvie's entire body, the damage very evenly dispersed via his adamantium skeleton. Which now starts to make more sense to me.
Though Spidey, on the other hand, will be hitting him in smaller spots, not really hitting most of the the skeleon at all (like the gut or face), which means his attack won't be dispersed the same way. All that damage will end up in one spot. If Spidey doesn't hold back, he should be able to punch right through Wolverine (like the stomach area).
That's all I was trying to say.
I get what your saying, its like trying to stab some1 with a brick and trying to stab some1 with a knife, because the brick has a greater surface area it wont cause as much damge, but the knife will go straight through the flesh and cause more damage, and because the hulk has greater surface area on his fist than spider-mans. so when Hulk hits the damge is spread all over wolverines body, making him more sore, but spider-mans damage is concetrated into 1 area causing greater pain, but of course hulk is so much damn stronger he would still do more damag, but i get what ur saying.
Originally posted by MetalmanxYeah application of force. The only problem is that Hulk has six times the force as well. and that 85 extra tons is going to effectivly cancel out the more effective application. Which is why Batman knowing how to apply his force more effeciently than spiderman, still does not do more damage than spiderman.
I think you're misunderstanding. Which is okay, cuz that theory is kind of out there anyway.But do you kinda see what I'm saying here at least? My theory is that Spiderman's punches would do more damage to Wolverine than the Hulks, not so much that Spidey's punches are more powerful than Hulk's.
Hulk's punches hit Wolvie's entire body, the damage very evenly dispersed via his adamantium skeleton. Which now starts to make more sense to me.
Though Spidey, on the other hand, will be hitting him in smaller spots, not really hitting most of the the skeleon at all (like the gut or face), which means his attack won't be dispersed the same way. All that damage will end up in one spot. If Spidey doesn't hold back, he should be able to punch right through Wolverine (like the stomach area).
That's all I was trying to say.
effeciency of punch:
Batman>Spiderman>Hulk
Damage of Punch
Batman<Spiderman<Hulk
See what I'm saying?
Originally posted by willRules
for the 1234246576787999999 millionth time, the statsw= wolverine s= Spider-man d= draw
Intelligence s
Strength s
Fighting skills W
Experience w
speed s
Reflexes s
Energy projection s ( Spidey has webbing)
Durability wW = 3 S = 5
Different stats are more valuable than others.
Durability>Strength
If the Durability is greater than or equal to the Strength, then the Strength isn't going to be as effective.