Originally posted by leonidas
er, spidey DID let wolvie tackle him in the first scans . . .
Or does anybody think that a person who can lift THIS (see below) can't throw a hairy dwarf away ?
Originally posted by who?-kid
Not only that, but when Wolvie was on top of Spider-Man, Spider-Man could have easily thrown him away (like 50 meters).Or does anybody think that a person who can lift THIS (see below) can't throw a hairy dwarf away ?
In case you didn't notice, Spiderman could NOT throw Wolverine since he had just been socked in the face and his arms came up from the force. Look carefully at the scan, his arm is not on Wolverine's chest. Also, he was afraid for his LIFE as is stated in the comic. If he COULD have thrown him, he would have.
problem is, you skewed the first couple (ie -- never said spidey let wolvie tackle him, never show that spidey's hands are supposed to be in a position to break wolvie's neck even before he can pop his claws into his neck . . .) sooooooo . . . that throws the context of all your 'proofs' into doubt.
don't show things out of context (or at least show the whole scene), don't skew scans, and your reliability will be a lot higher . . .
Originally posted by who?-kidYes, because Wolverine couldn't have stabbed Spiderman when he let wolverine tackle him. 🙄
Not only that, but when Wolvie was on top of Spider-Man, Spider-Man could have easily thrown him away (like 50 meters).Or does anybody think that a person who can lift THIS (see below) can't throw a hairy dwarf away ?
Or did we forget he was trying to kill wolverine there? 🙄
Originally posted by leonidas🙄 Yes because that's exaclty what they were illustrating, rather than other points. . .
problem is, you skewed the first couple (ie -- never said spidey let wolvie tackle him, never show that spidey's hands are supposed to be in a position to break wolvie's neck even before he can pop his claws into his neck . . .) sooooooo . . . that throws the context of all your 'proofs' into doubt.
Originally posted by leonidasThey've been shown thousands of times, he's highlighting certain points to make certian points.
don't show things out of context (or at least show the whole scene), don't skew scans, and your reliability will be a lot higher . . .
Originally posted by leonidas
problem is, you skewed the first couple (ie -- never said spidey let wolvie tackle him, never show that spidey's hands are supposed to be in a position to break wolvie's neck even before he can pop his claws into his neck . . .) sooooooo . . . that throws the context of all your 'proofs' into doubt.don't show things out of context (or at least show the whole scene), don't skew scans, and your reliability will be a lot higher . . .
EVEN if he let Wolverine tackle him, was that smart considering he could have stabbed him in the gut as the picture shows? ANSWER
His hands were NOT in position to break Wolverine's neck before his got the first punch in the picture (the one where they say he could have thrown him). He could have died there. I can show the whole scans (as I have done at least 3 times now) but I felt this would emphasize my point
Originally posted by leonidas
problem is, you skewed the first couple (ie -- never said spidey let wolvie tackle him, never show that spidey's hands are supposed to be in a position to break wolvie's neck even before he can pop his claws into his neck . . .) sooooooo . . . that throws the context of all your 'proofs' into doubt.don't show things out of context (or at least show the whole scene), don't skew scans, and your reliability will be a lot higher . . .
I see Leo, I had not read this one but in Creshs defence could Spidey break his neck?
I still think Spidey wins and I agree he is skewing evidence but he learned from the master skewer
<<Yes because that's exaclty what they were illustrating, rather than other points. . .>>
that's fine if the point you want to make is a skewed point. i could show a scan of spidey dodging and say wolvie could never hit spidey, too, but that wouldn't be anymore accurate than those scans.
<<They've been shown thousands of times, he's highlighting certain points to make certian points.>.
i KNOW they have. problem is, one side ALWAYS skews them one way or the other. that's why this thread is almost 10 000 posts long . . .
Originally posted by leonidas
<<Yes because that's exaclty what they were illustrating, rather than other points. . .>>that's fine if the point you want to make is a skewed point. i could show a scan of spidey dodging and say wolvie could never hit spidey, too, but that wouldn't be anymore accurate than those scans.
<<They've been shown thousands of times, he's highlighting certain points to make certian points.>.
i KNOW they have. problem is, one side ALWAYS skews them one way or the other. that's why this thread is almost 10 000 posts long . . .
It is a very silly thread Leo 🙂
Originally posted by Porsche
In case you didn't notice, Spiderman could NOT throw Wolverine since he had just been socked in the face and his arms came up from the force. Look carefully at the scan, his arm is not on Wolverine's chest. Also, he was afraid for his LIFE as is stated in the comic. If he COULD have thrown him, he would have.
There are reasons for that, however.
1. For some reason, Spider-Man was scared. Spider-Man is one of the most courageous (and human) heroes of Marvel, and has a very large rogue gallery he beats up every day, but all of a sudden, he was... scared...to die.
Why was he all of a sudden so scared ? I don't know. What I do know however, is that he has in all the fights NEVER been scared of Wolverine. Not even once, not even close.
2. Spider-Man IS faster than Wolverine. Only the diehard Wolverine fans will say they are about equal, but that's bollocks. But again, in this fight, Spider-Man moves slow and Wolverine moves very fast.
Why ? Beat me.
3. Spider-Man doesn't use his web. Why ? I don't know, in lots and lots and lots and lots of fights, he uses his webs but here he decided to fight close combat style. He uses his web as much as CA uses his shield or Thor uses his hammer.
I don't know what the writer was drinking that day...
4. On top of that, Spider-Man lets Wolverine tackle him...I don't think he has ever done that in his life... why oh why oh why ?
Conclusion
A slow moving, non-web using and scared Spider-Man still gave Wolverine a hard time, and it still ended in a draw, in a twenty year old fight.
Originally posted by leonidasDo you have a sarcasm detector?
<<Yes, because Wolverine couldn't have stabbed Spiderman when he let wolverine tackle him.>>now THAT at least is true. so cresh, do you think spidey can beat wolverine?
And why couldn't Wolverine have stabbed Spiderman when he tackled him? 😬
Originally posted by who?-kid
Wolverine supporters always complain when normal people call the graveyard fight a fight with lots of PIS and CIS in it.There are reasons for that, however.
1. For some reason, Spider-Man was scared. Spider-Man is one of the most courageous (and human) heroes of Marvel, and has a very large rogue gallery he beats up every day, but all of a sudden, he was... scared...to die.
Why was he all of a sudden so scared ? I don't know. What I do know however, is that he has in all the fights NEVER been scared of Wolverine. Not even once, not even close.
2. Spider-Man IS faster than Wolverine. Only the diehard Wolverine fans will say they are about equal, but that's bollocks. But again, in this fight, Spider-Man moves slow and Wolverine moves very fast.
Why ? Beat me.
3. Spider-Man doesn't use his web. Why ? I don't know, in lots and lots and lots and lots of fights, he uses his webs but here he decided to fight close combat style. He uses his web as much as CA uses his shield or Thor uses his hammer.
I don't know what the writer was drinking that day...
4. On top of that, Spider-Man lets Wolverine tackle him...I don't think he has ever done that in his life... why oh why oh why ?
Conclusion
A slow moving, non-web using and scared Spider-Man still gave Wolverine a hard time, and it still ended in a draw, in a twenty year old fight.
Ended in a DRAW? ... if you call that a draw then I'm Hulk's purple pants.
Here's the sad fact. Wolverine was fighting to subdue Spiderman and Spiderman was trying to kill Wolverine.. and Wolverine STILL beat him. Sad, very sad. 😕
Originally posted by Porsche
Ended in a DRAW? ... if you call that a draw then I'm Hulk's purple pants.
Here's the sad fact. Wolverine was fighting to subdue Spiderman and Spiderman was trying to kill Wolverine.. and Wolverine STILL beat him. Sad, very sad. 😕