Originally posted by leonidasSo how would you have drawn the scene, basedon what the sory is obviously calling for?
<<Because of the way it was drawn? Calling it Pis/Cis because of the art is not very convincing.>>but i think we agree on a couple things:
1. as is, it shouldn't have been possible to break out as he did
2. the artist/creators/editors (because all the drawings are reviewed and checked before they go to publication) apparently made an error and . . .
what? misinterpreted what was SUPPOSED to be drawn? that is the very definition of PIS/CIS. a misrepresentation of the powers/abilities of a character. you're claiming rather than PIS it was an error by the artist. but, it wasn't just the artist that erred in the depiction, it was everyone that okayed the scene. as is the case in any book where PIS/CIS is claimed.
and again, to NOT label it as such, leaves you with what? an error by the artist and everyone else it slipped past? it wasn't JUST the artist AND in any event the art plays as large a roll as the story in a comic book, doesn't it?
btw, jinzin has been very conspicuous by his absence in this thread these last couple days . . . why do i have a feeling he's watching and waiting to pounce . . .? 😖hifty:
Because what's wrong with the story? And why is the art so much more important that you're calling it PIS based on the way the artist drew the scene?
cresh, you're notorious for turning questions into questions, you DO know that, don't you . . .?
what SHOULD have been depicted? spidey gets irked and webs wolvie to the wall. the webbing could easily have been shown covering just his chest. maybe one arm. it's just, spread-eagled as he was, it doesn't make sense that he should have escaped. he could easily cut a couple strands near the blades, but the ones holding his arms and forearms? makes no sense . . .
<<Because what's wrong with the story? And why is the art so much more important that you're calling it PIS based on the way the artist drew the scene?>>
cresh, please don't put words in my mouth. i never once SAID the art is 'SO MUCH MORE IMPORTANT' and you know i didn't. much earlier, and again later, i said they art and story work together and should be given equal credence. you're claiming only the written portion of the story can be used as a creditable source of PIS/CIS. i also said it's not JUST the artist that looks at the work, so it is NOT just the artist who made an error. likely they (ie - the creative group) just said -- "who in their right minds will even notice the little gaff! it looks cool so let's go with it!"
oops . . . guess they didn't take into account us geeks who have nothing better to do on a saturday night . . . 🙁
or, of course, we could assume they saw it and thought it was fine when (as shown) it was a misrepresentation. misrepresentation of powers by CREATIVE group (writer/artist/editor) = PIS/CIS, no?
Originally posted by Creshosk
Do not forget the spiderman fanboys."Spiderman can break adamantium."
"Spiderman has lightspeed reactions."
"Everything that has wolverine in it is PIS."
Yeah go spiderman fanboys for what Creshosk wrote....... 😱
by the way no one EVER said he could break adamantium.......since you were so kind to point out the lightspeed piece (which I think is crapola for spiderman he isn't that fast)
and no one said wolverine is all PIS either so find my quotes because on all 3 points if you are trying to allude to me(using my quote then your fictional quotes except the lightspeed one I didn't say that either)
you have successfully misrepresented everything I have said🙂
Originally posted by leonidas
<<go complain to the spidermans writers. it happen deal with it.>>see what happens when kids butt into an adult conversation . . . earmuffs, junior.
lol if ur an old guy u should feel silly being on this forum or reading comics in genral but I highly dought ur even older then me. ur conversation blows it piont less
Originally posted by leonidasI'm suite famailar with my own tactics. 😂
cresh, you're notorious for turning questions into questions, you DO know that, don't you . . .?
Originally posted by leonidasSo it should have been drawndifferently so that the escape fit the story better?
what SHOULD have been depicted? spidey gets irked and webs wolvie to the wall. the webbing could easily have been shown covering just his chest. maybe one arm. it's just, spread-eagled as he was, it doesn't make sense that he should have escaped. he could easily cut a couple strands near the blades, but the ones holding his arms and forearms? makes no sense . . .
Originally posted by leonidasYou're putting such an importance in the art that it completely invalidates the story. How is that not putting more emphesis on the art ?
<<Because what's wrong with the story? And why is the art so much more important that you're calling it PIS based on the way the artist drew the scene?>>cresh, please don't put words in my mouth. i never once SAID the art is 'SO MUCH MORE IMPORTANT' and you know i didn't.
Originally posted by leonidasBefcause the story is written first and then its story boarded and then the art is drawn. So if the art doesn't illustrate the Story very well then why is it allowed to override the story? Since the art is supposed to be used to help tell the story.
much earlier, and again later, i said they art and story work together and should be given equal credence. you're claiming only the written portion of the story can be used as a creditable source of PIS/CIS.
Originally posted by leonidasThey rarely do, otherwise they'd been more serious about continuity and the like.
i also said it's not JUST the artist that looks at the work, so it is NOT just the artist who made an error. likely they (ie - the creative group) just said -- "who in their right minds will even notice the little gaff! it looks cool so let's go with it!"oops . . . guess they didn't take into account us geeks who have nothing better to do on a saturday night . . . 🙁
Originally posted by leonidasOr mis intterpritation on the part of the readers, the geeks who place more emphesis on the art than the story, despite claims to the contrary.
or, of course, we could assume they saw it and thought it was fine when (as shown) it was a misrepresentation. misrepresentation of powers by CREATIVE group (writer/artist/editor) = PIS/CIS, no?
<<lol if ur an old guy u should feel silly being on this forum or reading comics in genral but I highly dought ur even older then me. ur conversation blows it piont less>>
heheh. old guys don't get bored? wife's out, both kids asleep and the movie i wanted to rent (war of the worlds) was out in every &^%$#@! video store in the city! so . . . i'm not really that silly -- just bored.
but you're right -- it IS sort of pointless. i just like going back and forth with creshosk. he usually has decent points and debates pretty well.
and btw -- by this point 8888, the whole thread is pointless.
oh, and it's still PIS . . . 😉
Originally posted by soleran30You have to be inorder to seperate his head from his neck by twisting it.
Yeah go spiderman fanboys for what Creshosk wrote....... 😱by the way no one EVER said he could break adamantium...
Originally posted by soleran30Yopu mean aside from attempting to shoot down everythign that portrays Wolverine in a good light, or just out and out callinf all of his encounters with Spiderman PIS?
....since you were so kind to point out the lightspeed piece (which I think is crapola for spiderman he isn't that fast)and no one said wolverine is all PIS either
Originally posted by soleran30Nope not you, but that's what the spiderman fanboyus have been saying and implying.
so find my quotes because on all 3 points if you are trying to allude to me(using my quote then your fictional quotes except the lightspeed one I didn't say that either)
Originally posted by soleran30Not you, the Spiderman fanboys that should be given as much credit for the maintenence of the thread as the Spiderman supporters, the Wolverine supporters and the Wolverine fanboys.
you have successfully misrepresented everything I have said🙂
Originally posted by leonidas
<<lol if ur an old guy u should feel silly being on this forum or reading comics in genral but I highly dought ur even older then me. ur conversation blows it piont less>>heheh. old guys don't get bored? wife's out, both kids asleep and the movie i wanted to rent (war of the worlds) was out in every &^%$#@! video store in the city! so . . . i'm not really that silly -- just bored.
but you're right -- it IS sort of pointless. i just like going back and forth with creshosk. he usually has decent points and debates pretty well.
and btw -- by this point 8888, the whole thread is pointless.
oh, and it's still PIS . . . 😉
actauly I see ur piont if I had kids and such I still read comics. hell i think I have more of a reason to read lol. yes this forum is piontless but fun. if u have kids then I am probly quite a bit younger then u
Originally posted by leonidasBoredom is the biggest motivator for participation in a forum as well.
<<lol if ur an old guy u should feel silly being on this forum or reading comics in genral but I highly dought ur even older then me. ur conversation blows it piont less>>heheh. old guys don't get bored? wife's out, both kids asleep and the movie i wanted to rent (war of the worlds) was out in every &^%$#@! video store in the city! so . . . i'm not really that silly -- just bored.
but you're right -- it IS sort of pointless. i just like going back and forth with creshosk. he usually has decent points and debates pretty well.
and btw -- by this point 8888, the whole thread is pointless.
oh, and it's still PIS . . . 😉
Hell some of us old guys (yeah I'm only 22, but I have access to material that makes me feel old compared to the younger pewople who haven't seen it.) know the most about comics. . .
I remember an discussion about old guys versus new guys some time ago. . . hmm . . .😑
<<You're putting such an importance in the art that it completely invalidates the story. How is that not putting more emphesis on the art ?>>
or you're putting such an emphasis on the story that you're ignoring the fact that it invalidates the story?
<<So it should have been drawndifferently so that the escape fit the story better?>>
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<<Since the art is supposed to be used to help tell the story.>>
and if they contradict? who's to say who is write or wrong. all that can be said definitively is that there was a misrepresentation. are you saying misrepresentation is NOT PIS/CIS?
<<They rarely do, otherwise they'd been more serious about continuity and the like.>.
yah. they really should ask me to write the story . . . heheh
<<Or mis intterpritation on the part of the readers, the geeks who place more emphesis on the art than the story, despite claims to the contrary.>>
but to make the claim that we as readers need to look deeper into what the story itself is saying so we ferret out the nonsensical image that is as important to the medium as the story is itself is . . .
😑
anyway, 8888 is right. it's pointless and adds not much to the thread (aside from some relatively intelligent conversation) on that note, i take my leave.
as usual, it was fun.
Tell yeah what Creshosk you go back and requote me and don't add your colorful interpretations and put your dialogue next to mine the only unfortunate thing is you will find only one fanboy........Creshosk its you🙂
I have brought up points on both sides and never been all about Spiderman.......I simply illustrate through your constant STRAIN of interpretation that you want Wolverine to win all the time🙂 Even if someone says yeah Wolverine can and should given this scenary you cut back and counter ......but but but and redirect to try and have wolverine always win🙂 Good luck in politics and redirection, that makes sense to you now, right?🙂