Originally posted by MelnormeI'm not used to people apo;ogising to me. But man you have really impressed me.
Not at all. It's just not the gracious "apology accepted" sort of response I was expecting.
In fact. 😖hifty:
Originally posted by MelnormeOh so now its an appeal to authority? 😛
As far as the ad hominem/ad populum...thing goes. I'll say this again. It's not an appeal to popularity. I'm not assigning merit to the argument by saying that because it's a popular idea, it's valid. In fact I said that it may not even be a valid idea. Though, I will say that linguists, professional writers, editors, journalists, etc...people who speak with authority on the subject of interpersonal communications agree that the way you present yourself in your writing represents your way of thinking.
kidding kidding. . . 😉
Originally posted by MelnormeAlright. though it was not my intent to discard you, I apologise if it sounded that way. . .
Similarly, you took my inclusion of a prior "version" of Wolverine, if you will, as a reason to call into question my thinking on the subject. In my defense, coming into this thread, I saw many different arguments using many visibly different versions of Wolverine, including those from the 80's, 90's and more current scans. Just as there were many different "versions" of Spiderman (though, to be sure, there is less variation in Spiderman's character than there has been in Wolverine's). In any case, you took this inclusion as reason to invalidate my argument, just as I took your manner as reason to invalidate yours. Both reasons for dismissal are debatable in merit. Let's just agree to try and address the strengths and weaknesses of the arguments in the future, and not the strengths and weaknesses of the arguers. Fair 'nuff?
Originally posted by MelnormeWell I think this part has been pretty well covered.
I thank you, both for noting that, and for not holding it against me.Fine then. If that's your position, then please, let me know where I am mistaken, and if you could, how I can improve my knowledge of the character, and your position. Obviously, you have a motivation to continue this debate, as you are still engaged in it, and I can only presume that your motivation is at least in part to persuade others to your point of view. For my part, I wouldn't mind sharpening my knowledge of the subject, so dismissing me out of hand is doing both of us a disservice, I think.
Originally posted by MelnormeWell, I tend not to be very flattering in debate.
In light of the above quote, I must confess, I find this statement slightly dubious. But I'll take you at your word.Perhaps you're right, but surely I am also at least a little bit right as well. You did say some things that could be described as unflattering, to say the least.
Though when I insult people, it's not to discredit them. I'm just not very nice sometimes.
Originally posted by MelnormeWel it is a bit silly, but there was no real reason to bring it up, was there?
As far as everyone's particular motivations as to why they said what they said, I cannot say except for my own. And to be honest, I thought the idea of Wolverine beating down the Thing was a little silly too. I naturally assumed that's what the "lol" was reflecting.
Originally posted by Melnormethe training scene? I think that was in a marvel knights new avengers issue, the whole series should be collected methinks as far as collecting information about Wolverine and Spiderman, since they're both in it.
I saw that myself, and added them to my list.
I have moved around a couple of times in the last few years, and in the moves, I've either thrown away or sold off almost all of my older comics. I'm trying to get back into the "habit", though, and my local shop has some pretty cut-rate deals on older issues. So, if you can point out some of the books you've gotten scans from or addressed in this thread (for example, I don't think I had ever seen the apparently very relevant issue where Spiderman and Wolverine "sparred",
Personally I'm sadened by their relationship as of late, I much liked it when they were more friendly toward one another.
Originally posted by MelnormeThat was back when he was death. I'm not good with issue numbers. . or numbers in general. . . I'll have to see if I can track that info down for you.
and I don't ever recall Wolverine wading through Cyclops's optic blasts), and wouldn't mind referencing them, I'd really appreciate it.
Originally posted by long pig😂 I figured as much. Well it's quite similar to the dutch "moestuin" which is "kitchen garden"
I made it up....where did you get kitchen garden?
It's an interesting term to be sure, if I can find some connection, it's quite an interesting fallacy to make.
I'm not sure what arguing a belieif one person holds towards another person would be. non-sequiter at least since there is a disconnect in premise to conclusion, (since you're arguing against a belief that a person doesn't hold.
Much like arguing against a kitchen garden . .erm . . . I'm not sure. but nevertheless, quite creative of you LP.
Originally posted by Creshosk
😂 I figured as much. Well it's quite similar to the dutch "moestuin" which is "kitchen garden"It's an interesting term to be sure, if I can find some connection, it's quite an interesting fallacy to make.
I'm not sure what arguing a belieif one person holds towards another person would be. non-sequiter at least since there is a disconnect in premise to conclusion, (since you're arguing against a belief that a person doesn't hold.
Much like arguing against a kitchen garden . .erm . . . I'm not sure. but nevertheless, quite creative of you LP.
Ad hosipittlepopper indeed.
Spidey in the middle of the city on a building with objects that can be thrown, spidey wins by ring out 8/10
Wolvie in the jungle wins 9/10
wolvie and spidey in a small area, wolvie wins 10/10
Mid air fight spidey wins 10/10
grave yard wolvie 9/10
tall buildings and I mean tall, spidey could climb up it and cheap shot wolvie with crap winning 9/10
Originally posted by jinzin
i don't think people are quite following... spiderman will have to be moving all out if he wants to continuously avoid wolverine's strikes.. he doesn't have to get exhausted, he just has to slow down in order for wolverine to have a good chance of nailing him.. that shouldn't take long at all...
from a guy who constantly dodges lasers and threats greater then wolverine for long periods of time on a consistant basis?