Originally posted by DizzleDepending on how he pushed on the trigger would get different effects, different consistencies which in turn is part of his skill.
Yeah, you never said organic webs wouldn't work...Explain to me how having webshooters and having organic webs, which shoot with the same arm position from the same location, would be affected.
Originally posted by DizzleBecause again he is STILL posting evidence about the webshooters, rather than about the organiic webbing, and there is more than just aim in what he posted. . .
Spiderman's aim comes from his skill and his sight, not from the webs. Explain to me how it would be affected again? Because if you weren't questioning the quality of the webs, and if you CAN'T logically say that the switch from shooters to organics would affect his aim, how can anything MISTER claimed be a moot point?
Originally posted by DizzleSo he can still shoot out diferent consistencies to the webbing?
His feats were feats of skill, not evidence of the quality of the equipment. The Apocalypse equipment pushed Wolverine beyond his physical capabilities, meaning that things he did at that time are not things he can do in his normal state, but the shooters to organics transition would not effect Spiderman's skill in the least.
Can you prove this claim?
Originally posted by DizzleOnly the ones where he was cutting things he shouldn't. Nice strawman though.
Unless every fighting skill feat from Wolverine's bone claw days are to be discarded now...
Originally posted by Dizzle
... I've called in ad ignorantiam on one topic.
"I don't have any evidence, but I don't have to prove my claim."
If thast's the case then what's the point of debate?
A lack of evidence may not be indication of the lack of something, however By that same token I could claim that Wolverine could still do the things he did with apocalypse's upgrades, and not need to proove my claims either. . .Funny how tricky that fallacy is isn't it?
Originally posted by DizzleLike the picture of spiderman holding a safe with the webs?
In which you clearly made a claim that classifies as ad ignorantiam, whether you like to admit it or not. The fact that you know the rules does not exempt you from them. MISTER never claimed that organic webs were technically the same as web fluid,
How is that not the webs?
Originally posted by DizzleNope, sorry, he made the claim, he has to prove it. Or you by proxy since you are likewise defending the claims and remaking them.
he simply stated that Spiderman has the skill necessary to hit Wolverine, which would not be affected by which webs he uses. The claim was yours, the burden of proof is yours.
Or I know, I can juist claim ad ignoratum as well. 🙂 Sorry. It's ad ignoratum.
Originally posted by ArahanSpiderman was in mid swing, and that's the only reason why Creshosk blindsided spiderman.
😱 ..... 😆
This is like there second or third encounter. This time Creshosk is being controlled to fight Spiderman. The first time it was a misunderstanding that resolved peacefully and they parted on friendly terms after teaming up.
Originally posted by Creshosk
So you're not recinding on that are you? 🙁
As far as the ad hominem/ad populum...thing goes. I'll say this again. It's not an appeal to popularity. I'm not assigning merit to the argument by saying that because it's a popular idea, it's valid. In fact I said that it may not even be a valid idea. Though, I will say that linguists, professional writers, editors, journalists, etc...people who speak with authority on the subject of interpersonal communications agree that the way you present yourself in your writing represents your way of thinking.
Similarly, you took my inclusion of a prior "version" of Wolverine, if you will, as a reason to call into question my thinking on the subject. In my defense, coming into this thread, I saw many different arguments using many visibly different versions of Wolverine, including those from the 80's, 90's and more current scans. Just as there were many different "versions" of Spiderman (though, to be sure, there is less variation in Spiderman's character than there has been in Wolverine's). In any case, you took this inclusion as reason to invalidate my argument, just as I took your manner as reason to invalidate yours. Both reasons for dismissal are debatable in merit. Let's just agree to try and address the strengths and weaknesses of the arguments in the future, and not the strengths and weaknesses of the arguers. Fair 'nuff?
Originally posted by Creshosk
Well you haven't done it hence so I ca't hold against you things you don't do. 😉
Originally posted by Creshosk
Nope, because it's true, you don't know the material, youre argumetns about certain things are invalid. This is because you don't know.
Originally posted by Creshosk
I'm not trying to discredit you.
Originally posted by Creshosk
It sure is. I've dealt with this before. He will say "You don't know what you're talking about because you feel that "x beats X"It is an irealevant point about a person that is irealivent to the material.
Why was it brought up? Why attempt to provoke Scotsmn by mentioning it?
Originally posted by Creshosk
Well, there is a person in the "Wolverine feats of skill versus his Bio" thread called Wolverine8888 that alot of people also say you shouldn't lisdten to because of his bad spelling and pathological attatchment to Wolverine. But you already know how I feel about that stance. He's posted a list of Wolverine comics that talk about his skill. Those might be good too.
Originally posted by wolverine8888Wolvie did a little dodging in that fight(Spidey was moving slow), but Spidey still connected after a while, whereas Wolvie connected a grand total of 000.0 times until Spidey let him(And still, Spidey was moving slow.) Spidey must be a good deal faster than Wolvie if he can evade and tag Wolvie even at slo-mo speeds.
wolverine is not as fast true but he can still dodge spiderman and as seen in there first fight if neither wants to be hit they wont get hit.
Originally posted by Melnorme😆That's some of the funniest imagery I've ever heard. Wolvie is pretty agile though, but he's not on Spidey's agility level.................or speed level, or strength, or versatility.
And even so, Spiderman can change his direction mid-leap, unlike Wolverine, who has all the aerial grace of a pit bull launched from a catapult.
Originally posted by The MISTERI remember the chix in that pic. Femme Fatales. Knockout was my favorite. I wish Marvel'd use them again.
If that's true then why do you seem to think Wolverine has just as good of a chance as Spidey?Because 5 out of ten times Spider-man WON'T use his his weapon, CAN'T dodge an arm motion, and WILL engage in close combat while ignoring his spider-sense? If you own Spider-man comics maybe you should read a few. Maybe you only read the one where all of the above happened. Get real. 😮💨
Originally posted by ArahanDitto. I'm here until I stop having fun.
Sadly this will go forever.
Originally posted by scotsmnAs long as there's ground Spidey could still change direction
Spiderman's web doesn't "gum you up" the way you think. It turns into a rubbery substance without much give which can be cut or ripped off your flesh taking your top layers of skin with it.. or your clothes.Spiderman can only change directions with walls around... are you assuming that there are walls placed around for Spiderman's benefit?
Originally posted by brainchild81
As long as there's ground Spidey could still change direction
That's a good point, and kind of what I was getting at with my "pit bull" line. Spidey can just throw out an elastic line and pull himself around pretty easily, mid-flight. I guess he could just as easily throw a line at the ground and change his trajectory. Wolverine would have to try and flip or twist his body to produce any momentum, and it probably wouldn't be that big a change relative to the manueverability that Spiderman can pull off.