Wolverine vs. Spider-Man · Comic Book 'Versus' Forum

wolverine8888 Restricted

Originally posted by Melnorme
Your rationalizations are poor. None of that applies here. This a bloodlusted match. Wolverine has no psychic powers, can't affect Spidey's mind. Spidey blitzes, and as shown in MKSM, Wolverine has no defense against that. He webs him up for good measure, and either leaves him hanging or kills him with webbing. 10/10.
Either he did, because he thought Wolverine wouldn't stab in a training session and decided to take the hit, or Reggie did because his interpretation of Spiderman is somewhere between poor and lame.

again u ignopr prove and show no prove to prove ur pionts. show some prove. the prove is wiolverien hit spdierman and u can't say he not tyring because he reflex mvoe with out thought so he would auto dodge if he could of.

Dizzle KMC Authority!!!

Originally posted by jinzin
what ****ing wall?!?!?! 😕
yup.. IF it connects.... connects with a guy who sees bullets go bye in slow motion.... 🙄 even then... I guess wolverine's suffering from major CIS since he's simply not slicing through it, or grabbing it and tugging it sending spiderman airborn (like nightcrawler did) or hell dodging it...
which is a probability right? cause wolverine would never.. idunno CUT the webbing off him? 🤨
this is just beyond wishful thinking.. not only did spiderman secure the webbing and the toss AND without wolverine retaliating it, he is also not even moving his arms from spiderman "hopping" onto them? 🤨 pffft...
oy, and I thought the last part was wishful thinking.... guess he can punch through an admantium ribcage now?
dodges the swipe but now it's too late.. wolverine's doing his "flowing" one move to the next thing and now spiderman's pinched for distance, (like spidey said) if he gives logan one second wolverine will kill him... I also like how spidey can land the webbing and secure a webthrow in mid-jump with this scenario... 😂
trying to step on a guys arm who can swipe faster than the human eye can register? irmmmm that's not a good battle strategy... 😕
it uses more pis and cis then has ever BEEN used in any of the five comic book examples barring secret wars.... yeah it's one scenario.. and it fails miserably....

Meh, I got too specific. However, there is truth among the madness...

Just for fun, I don't want to discuss exactly how fast webbing moves, and the distance from which Wolverine could dodge it...

Disregarding webbing initially, what happens if Spiderman simply trips him? In ALL of their fights, Spiderman has had both the first hit, and the overwhelming majority of hits. He's strong enough to throw Wolverine for a good distance, taking his legs out shouldn't be much of a problem.

If Wolverine lands on his face, he's going to be webbed. Spiderman can hold him down very easily, and Logan would have quite a time trying to actually do any damage to him before his arms get twisted around and webbed together.

If he lands on his back, offense in general continues. By taht I mean Spiderman stays a few yards away and pours the webs on. Wolverine can block webs, yes, but can he block shots to the legs, arms, face, etc at the same time? Thought not. Eventually, Spiderman just buries him in webs. Wolverine has means to cut them off, but his claws are by no means instant. Spiderman buries him in webs, Logan suffocates.

Oh yeah, and the Absorbing Man scans show that Spidey's organic webs are indeed quite strong. AM is what, class 100 ish?

jinzin Senior Member

Originally posted by Melnorme
Gross exaggeration. Logan might be the next man down in the queue, but that doesn't make them "nearly equals", any more than a 350Z that comes in second place to a Charger in a 1 on 1 streetrace are "nearly equals". 😆

dude they both precieve danger coming in faster than a normal person ever could.. i'm not trying to boast that wolverine has senses on par with spidey sense here.. since that's ridiculous, just that he's got senses that put him right behind spidey... there's no huge gap there that gives spiderman some infinate advantage...

Melnorme Senior Member

Originally posted by brainchild81
If I remember right, Wolvie was talking s**t(told Spidey he'd give him more than he could handle or something like that) and had the claws out. He just wasn't fast or strong enough to stop it.

Thanks. I think it might be MTU V3 #1 from when I blew up the image.

Melnorme Senior Member

Originally posted by wolverine8888
again u ignopr prove and show no prove to prove ur pionts. show some prove. the prove is wiolverien hit spdierman and u can't say he not tyring because he reflex mvoe with out thought so he would auto dodge if he could of.

I gave pages of proof. You're blinding your eyes.

Melnorme Senior Member

Originally posted by jinzin
dude they both precieve danger coming in faster than a normal person ever could.. i'm not trying to boast that wolverine has senses on par with spidey sense here.. since that's ridiculous, just that he's got senses that put him right behind spidey... there's no huge gap there that gives spiderman some infinate advantage...

No, he's not "right behind" Spidey. Wolverine gets hit and shot all the time. He's simply not as fast. Put up a scan of him dodging bullets anywhere's near as well as is shown in those scans. Note the control, and finesse with which Spidey does it. He's not just flat out taking cover, he's predictively moving his limbs and torso out of the path of the bullets. Wolverine CANNOT do this.

And the advantage doesn't have to be infinite to be significant.

jinzin Senior Member

Originally posted by Melnorme
Except that's little bit of "PIS" has been referenced by, oh, just about every author Marvel's hired since? Thx.

really? I guess there's a certifiable statistic for this eh? 🙄
once again... it showed spidey better than he is so it's not pis... in spite of loads of pis being present... pffft....

Originally posted by Melnorme
And Spiderman did the same thing.doh.

🤨 yeah and wolverine did it right back to him the next time they met up... good job.... 🙄

Originally posted by Melnorme
I think you missed the 4 pics explaining why that whole encounter was wanktastic. Go catch up.

I saw the pics, I just ignored them... it's a copout argument, that's totally subjective about what is and isn't pis or a suitable standard of evidence...

Originally posted by Melnorme
No walls? No floors, I suppose, either? 🙄 .

🤨 now who's strawmanning?

Originally posted by Melnorme
Straw man. Did you even read the caption?

yeah, i did, he's trying to compare a superhuman hit from thing to one from spiderman.... no one ever said logan couldn't be KOed by superhuman strength.. it's just very hard to do... wolverine however CANNOT be KOed by spiderman.. until porven otherwise...

Originally posted by Melnorme
Conversely, I'd call having to respond to this a "waste" of time. 😛

to each his own.

Tha C-Master Zitz! Rash! Pimple!

Originally posted by Melnorme
No, he's not "right behind" Spidey. Wolverine gets hit and shot all the time. He's simply not as fast. Put up a scan of him dodging bullets anywhere's near as well as is shown in those scans. Note the control, and finesse with which Spidey does it. He's not just flat out taking cover, he's predictively moving his limbs and torso out of the path of the bullets. Wolverine CANNOT do this.
And the advantage doesn't have to be infinite to be significant.

Peak human and superhuman gets used a little too loosely around here...

jinzin Senior Member

Originally posted by Melnorme
No, he's not "right behind" Spidey. Wolverine gets hit and shot all the time. He's simply not as fast. Put up a scan of him dodging bullets anywhere's near as well as is shown in those scans. Note the control, and finesse with which Spidey does it. He's not just flat out taking cover, he's predictively moving his limbs and torso out of the path of the bullets. Wolverine CANNOT do this.
And the advantage doesn't have to be infinite to be significant.

and wolverine doesn't have to dodge bullets with the control and finnesse that spiderman has to dodge bullets.... 🤨
wolverine has dodged all around bullet without "flat out taking cover" while closing ground on the opposition... as far as not being fast enough to move out of the way of the path of the bullet.. well wolverine disagrees... he gets shot because he knows he can take the punishment.. maybe it's you who needs to catch up.... we've been over this 30 times already...

Melnorme Senior Member

Originally posted by jinzin
and wolverine doesn't have to dodge bullets with the control and finnesse that spiderman has to dodge bullets.... 🤨
wolverine has dodged all around bullet without "flat out taking cover" while closing ground on the opposition... as far as not being fast enough to move out of the way of the path of the bullet.. well wolverine disagrees... he gets shot because he knows he can take the punishment.. maybe it's you who needs to catch up.... we've been over this 30 times already...

Looks like he got nicked by a single handgun round fired by a shaky man. Not very impressive.

Spidey's still way ahead.

long pig Restricted

To be fair, he didn't dodge it there. The guy just missed shooting him.

Porsche Senior Member

Originally posted by jinzin
and wolverine doesn't have to dodge bullets with the control and finnesse that spiderman has to dodge bullets.... 🤨
wolverine has dodged all around bullet without "flat out taking cover" while closing ground on the opposition... as far as not being fast enough to move out of the way of the path of the bullet.. well wolverine disagrees... he gets shot because he knows he can take the punishment.. maybe it's you who needs to catch up.... we've been over this 30 times already...

Mel, how do you respond to this scan?

Porsche Senior Member

Originally posted by long pig
To be fair, he didn't dodge it there. The guy just missed shooting him.

Much like the people who miss shooting at Spiderman? Tsk Tsk.

long pig Restricted

I guess it could be looked at either way, but that makes it a bad feat to prove a point.

I mean, the guy was freezing, surrounded by snow. He shoots and it whizzes past wolverine. There is no speed lines for wolverine, but there are for the bullet.

My guess would be he missed. It's a bad scan to prove a bad point.

brainchild81 Privateer

He nicked him a bit. See the blood?

Melnorme Senior Member

Originally posted by jinzin
really? I guess there's a certifiable statistic for this eh? 🙄
once again... it showed spidey better than he is so it's not pis... in spite of loads of pis being present... pffft....

That's your rebuttal? "It's PIS because I say it is. Oh, and pffft." 😆

Okay there, fella. Very compelling.

Originally posted by jinzin
🤨 yeah and wolverine did it right back to him the next time they met up... good job.... 🙄

Your point was that Wolverine got back up. I showed that your point was meaningless, as Spider-Man also got back up. Try to stay on track.

Originally posted by jinzin
I saw the pics, I just ignored them... it's a copout argument, that's totally subjective about what is and isn't pis or a suitable standard of evidence...

If you can't rebut the argument, then I accept your concession.

Originally posted by jinzin
🤨 now who's strawmanning?

Not I. Your claiming that they're fighting in a place where there are no walls or other vertical surfaces(a very rarified environment, to say the least...especially given Spidey's MO). My point was that, even without a wall or vertical surface, there is still a horizontal one, which Spidey can easily use to redirect his momentum. Even without that, his agility is above that of an Olympic Athelete, and thus, he can redirect his momentum through the use of his body alone.

Though, this rebuttal is, in fact, a straw man.

Originally posted by jinzin
yeah, i did, he's trying to compare a superhuman hit from thing to one from spiderman.... no one ever said logan couldn't be KOed by superhuman strength.. it's just very hard to do... wolverine however CANNOT be KOed by spiderman.. until porven otherwise...

Ad ignoratium. If he can be KO'd, he can be KO'd. It's that simple.

It's not the force of the blow, its the momentum of the stop that causes a knockout. This is basic.

Melnorme Senior Member

Originally posted by Porsche
Mel, how do you respond to this scan?

The scan I already responded to? 😛

Melnorme Senior Member

Originally posted by Porsche
Much like the people who miss shooting at Spiderman? Tsk Tsk.

Yes, because a squad of mercenaries with automatic weapons all firing on one target are all going to miss.

Even though those same mercenaries loaded Wolverine up with bullets in the next ish. 🙄

wolverine8888 Restricted

Hmm do u guys want me to list comcis after comics of wolverien dodging bullets after I have already done it 5 tiems on this thread alone. here one comic though (Daredevil vs wolverine) daredevil comments on wolverien dodging ever single bullet bushwacker shoots at him. if u want me to post more just ask.

jinzin Senior Member

Originally posted by Dizzle
Meh, I got too specific. However, there is truth among the madness...
Just for fun, I don't want to discuss exactly how fast webbing moves, and the distance from which Wolverine could dodge it...
Disregarding webbing initially, what happens if Spiderman simply trips him?

which would be more plausible if this was the steriotypical wolverine everyone apparently wants him to be.... and not a level 7 fighter... your question completely negates any cunning and fighting ability that wolverine has.. which is completely against all standards of evidence in that same notion.. what happens if wolverine simply guts him? (see what's wrong with that kind of question?)

Originally posted by Dizzle
In ALL of their fights, Spiderman has had both the first hit, and the overwhelming majority of hits. He's strong enough to throw Wolverine for a good distance, taking his legs out shouldn't be much of a problem.

actually spiderman's consistently gotten the jump on wolverine to secure the first hit.. secret wars, and mk spidey being the exceptions.. and the rooftop battle wolverine actually securing the first hit.. IN SPITE of spidey trying to jump him again...

spiderman has gotten "an overwhelming majority" of the hits during the graveyard fight and sparring session because wolverine ALLOWED it to happen...

no one's arguing that spiderman's not stron enough to throw wolverine a good distance.. it's ust going to be very difficult to grab him and toss him using brute strength without getting cut up...

taking his legs out depends on the situation...

Originally posted by Dizzle
If Wolverine lands on his face, he's going to be webbed.

if spidey gets gutte he's going to be killed... (they're still both horrible arguments... you get it yet?)

Originally posted by Dizzle
Spiderman can hold him down very easily, and Logan would have quite a time trying to actually do any damage to him before his arms get twisted around and webbed together.

wrong... when spidey tried this he got kicked in the balls....

Originally posted by Dizzle
If he lands on his back, offense in general continues. By taht I mean Spiderman stays a few yards away and pours the webs on. Wolverine can block webs, yes, but can he block shots to the legs, arms, face, etc at the same time?

again a bad argument.. spiderman can't shoot webs to the legs, arms, face, ect "at the same time" so why should wolverine have to worry about that? he shouldn't plain and simple. I mean hell, it took pouring on of twoo webshooters just to fasten one of daredevil's arms immobile in a fight... and dd was still giving him hell... wolverine with the claws to shred out of it presents an even more difficult challenge.

Originally posted by Dizzle
Eventually, Spiderman just buries him in webs.

well that's the best case scenario anyway.... his best hope... and has already failed... this is why spidey gets a 4/10 in my mind.. I just don't see his best case scenario happenin 10/10.. again if it was that easy, he'd take all his opponents.. INCLUDING WOLVIE.. out like that...

Originally posted by Dizzle
[Wolverine has means to cut them off, but his claws are by no means instant.

and again, neither are spiderman's webs.. hmmm

Originally posted by Dizzle
Oh yeah, and the Absorbing Man scans show that Spidey's organic webs are indeed quite strong. AM is what, class 100 ish?

I didn't argue the webbing's weak, I argued that it probably takes time to set, and isn't as strong as his old webbing...

absorbing man is slow especially upstairs.. he doesn't have the mentality to pull his arm away from the wall before it gets covered, wolverine's done this twice.. yet...