Originally posted by wolverine8888You said it. But you've all still failed to prove it. Be real 888. What does this look like to you? Everyone with a brain so far says it's Spidey punching Wolvie. In the next panel, Wolvie's swinging from the ground
againt that pic ur showign can be seen in to diffrent ways. also liek we said wolverine clearly let spiderman hit him first he said here it coems then he dropped his guard
Originally posted by brainchild81
You said it. But you've all still failed to prove it. Be real 888. What does this look like to you? Everyone with a brain so far says it's Spidey punching Wolvie. In the next panel, Wolvie's swinging from the ground
look at the angle of wolveriens arm that is his right arm not left he clearly just slashed down wards.
Originally posted by Melnorme
That's your rebuttal? "It's PIS because I say it is. Oh, and pffft." 😆Okay there, fella. Very compelling.
hmmm 🤨 well it's pretty obvious at this point your simply attacking the points you THINK i'm making... well it certainly tells me it is infact you who needs to catch up here.. that event was pis due to the fact that spiderman just being present negated the entirety of the x-men's powers.. professor x is surprised, cyclops has problems hitting a target, he doesn't use richochets, storm doesn't keep going after spidey or use any of her powers to secure him, rogue gets stuck on a pipe, the pipe doesnt break kurt forgets he can teleport.. if you think that's grade A writing at it's finest.. all I have to say is PFFFFT... 🙄
Originally posted by Melnormeno the point was that wolverine did get back up but that he ALSO casually bitchslapped spidey 20 feet away. you responded to that point whether you were aware of it or not... and I'm the one who needs to stay on track? why don't you try following along... I can't draw you out a map in crayon now...
Your point was that Wolverine got back up. I showed that your point was meaningless, as Spider-Man also got back up. Try to stay on track..
Originally posted by Melnormeyour argument was a copout...
If you can't rebut the argument, then I accept your concession.
wolverine wins cause every pic of spidey doing anything impressive is PIS and anything that shows wolverine less than a god taking nukes and beating lobo is as cannon and valid as it gets.... you aren't using a decent standard of evidence I have no wish to respond to a copout...
Originally posted by Melnorme
Not I. .
yeah you are, all I'm saying is there's no guarantee there's going to be walls, your response.. "theres must not be ground there either" hmmm no one ever made that claim nor suggestion... way to go... 😉
Originally posted by Melnormeno one made that claim... just called it into question as it suits as an environmental advantage.. again it's you that needs to catch up here.. we've been through all this before...
claiming that they're fighting in a place where there are no walls or other vertical surfaces(a very rarified environment, to say the least...especially given Spidey's MO). .
Originally posted by Melnorme
My point was that, even without a wall or vertical surface, there is still a horizontal one, which Spidey can easily use to redirect his momentum. .
that may be your point now, but you were definitely just mocking me before... 🤨
Originally posted by Melnormeas is wolverine's.
Even without that, his agility is above that of an Olympic Athelete,.
Originally posted by Melnormeand yet he's still not guaranteed to dodge... as wolverine's proven on 4 or 5 occasions.
and thus, he can redirect his momentum through the use of his body alone.
Originally posted by Melnorme
Though, this rebuttal is, in fact, a straw man..
dammit! I wanted to be the one to point this out...
😂
Originally posted by Melnorme
Ad ignoratium. If he can be KO'd, he can be KO'd. It's that simple.
Originally posted by Melnormethis is comics... wolverine's always needed sufficient force to knock him out...
It's not the force of the blow, its the momentum of the stop that causes a knockout. This is basic.
Originally posted by brainchild81
Where does it say this? Wolvie didn't let Spidey do jack s*it in the yard. The sparring session was a non fight, Wolvie did let Spidey keep pounding on him, but honestly what can he do once Spidey gets going? Nothing but wait for him to stop. Just like in the graveyard where he couldn't get up or have any (absolute zero) offense until Spidey let him.
spidey was going all out.. wolverine sat there and took the hits in the graveyard.. if wolverine wasn't holding back he would have lashed his arms out to stop the assault, he would have used his claws to hit spiderman...
spiderman went all out, wolverine intentionally held back, spidey was at a loss, wolverine could've killed him...
Originally posted by jinzin
what happens if wolverine simply guts him?
Answer: Uhh..it' won't happen. I think you're forgetting about the Spider Sense, super speed, super reflexes and super agility...😮
actually spiderman's consistently gotten the jump on wolverine to secure the first hit..
Do you mean that "Wolverine" has consistently gotten the jump on "Spiderman"...😕
If not..then I agree with your statement above, Spidey is definately the quicker of the two, and will more than likely get in the first punch. In this NO PIS and Bloodlusted scenario, Wolverine ain't hitting anything..except the ground after being KO'd and web'd up.
spiderman has gotten "an overwhelming majority" of the hits during the graveyard fight and sparring session because wolverine ALLOWED it to happen.
Or perhaps because Wolverine was to slow to dodge..
no one's arguing that spiderman's not stron enough to throw wolverine a good distance..
Good. Then we can agree that this would be another quick win scenario for the web slinger. Grab the midget and chuck him somewhere. Cheap win. But win none the less.
it's ust going to be very difficult to grab him and toss him using brute strength without getting cut up...
Uhh..did you forget about the webbing?😮
taking his legs out depends on the situation...
Again..did you forget about the webbing?
Unless they're fighting in outerspace or underwater..I think it's pretty easy for SM to accomplish. Wolverine ain't the "Flash" you know.
if spidey gets gutte he's going to be killed... (they're still both horrible arguments... you get it yet?)
Repeat.
Uhh..it' won't happen. I think you're forgetting about the Spider Sense, super speed, super reflexes and super agility...😮
again a bad argument.. spiderman can't shoot webs to the legs, arms, face, ect "at the same time" so why should wolverine have to worry about that? he shouldn't plain and simple. I mean hell, it took pouring on of twoo webshooters just to fasten one of daredevil's arms immobile in a fight... and dd was still giving him hell... wolverine with the claws to shred out of it presents an even more difficult challenge.
How many arms does Spiderman have? One or two? That's a Rhetorical question.
He could easily spray Wolvie in the head and legs at the same time. Come on now Jin..you're just pulling straws.
well that's the best case scenario anyway.... his best hope... and has already failed... this is why spidey gets a 4/10 in my mind.. I just don't see his best case scenario happenin 10/10.. again if it was that easy, he'd take all his opponents.. INCLUDING WOLVIE.. out like that...
But guess what..If he webbed up all the bad guys in two panels, They're wouldn't be much of a story..now would there? I don't think Marvel would sell many of his comics either. The character has to have some confict in his book in order for it to sell..Right? I think soo. This is just real common sense stuff Jin.
I didn't argue the webbing's weak, I argued that it probably takes time to set, and isn't as strong as his old webbing...
Your argument was nullified by the Absorbing man example given by Melborne. Case closed on that one.
absorbing man is slow especially upstairs.. he doesn't have the mentality to pull his arm away from the wall before it gets covered, wolverine's done this twice.. yet...
Yes and Wolverine is a Rocket Scientist...😆 😆
Either way..Wolvie shouldn't have been able to break from the webbing. He doesn't possess the strength necessary to do so.
Spidey Wins 10/10..
That's my opinion..and I'm "sticking" to it..(me so funny..:lol)
Originally posted by Melnormead hominem my ass... I'm not attacking you for a point irrelivent to the debate, I'm pointing out that you may lack the sufficient knowledge to properly be debating here...
Ad hominem.
if you honestly believe that wolverine's casual attitude in that scene changes absolutely nothing that my assertion is absolutely correct..
Originally posted by Melnorme
But if you insist on going this route, I've shown a superior knowledge of Wolverine than you have of Spider-Man.
how so? you've used mulitple standards of evidence in an effort to support your point while ignoring other points that were made...
Originally posted by jinzinWolvie would've swung and continued to miss as he'd done up until that point and would've ended up on the ground again. Wolvie ain't doing nothing 'till Spidey either gets tired or lets him. Wolvie was trying to get up, but he flat out couldn't do it because Spidey didn't let him. When did Wolvie get off the ground? You guessed it, when Spidey L-E-T him. Period. Wolvie was unable to tag a Spidey who said he himself was "fighting slow and stupid" until Spidey let him. FACT
spidey was going all out.. wolverine sat there and took the hits in the graveyard.. if wolverine wasn't holding back he would have lashed his arms out to stop the assault, he would have used his claws to hit spiderman...spiderman went all out, wolverine intentionally held back, spidey was at a loss, wolverine could've killed him...
Originally posted by brainchild81
Wolvie would've swung and continued to miss as he'd done up until that point and would've ended up on the ground again. Wolvie ain't doing nothing 'till Spidey either gets tired or lets him. Wolvie was trying to get up, but he flat out couldn't do it because Spidey didn't let him. When did Wolvie get off the ground? You guessed it, when Spidey L-E-T him. Period. Wolvie was unable to tag a Spidey who said he himself was "fighting slow and stupid" until Spidey let him. FACT
I don't know how, but you keep on missing it..
IF WOLVERINE WASN'T HOLDING BACK HE WOULD HAVE BEEN SWINGING HIS ARMS TO BREAK UP SPIDERMAN'S ATTACK, AND WOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO GET UP WITH EASE. SPIDERMAN DODGING WOLVERINE'S CLAW STRIKES IN THAT FIGHT ARE COMPLETELY INVALID BECAUSE: WOLVERINE WAS HOLDING BACK.
who went all out? spidey
who ran out of options? spidey
who held back? wolverine
who could have killed his opponent? wolverine...
hmmm
Originally posted by jinzin
you're missing the point...I don't know how, but you keep on missing it..
IF WOLVERINE WASN'T HOLDING BACK HE WOULD HAVE BEEN SWINGING HIS ARMS TO BREAK UP SPIDERMAN'S ATTACK, AND WOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO GET UP WITH EASE. SPIDERMAN DODGING WOLVERINE'S CLAW STRIKES IN THAT FIGHT ARE COMPLETELY INVALID BECAUSE: WOLVERINE WAS HOLDING BACK.
who went all out? spidey
who ran out of options? spidey
who held back? wolverine
who could have killed his opponent? wolverine...hmmm
What if Spider Man wasn't holding back during Secret Wars?
Or what if he wasn't holding back after he Webbed him up in MK Spider Man?
Or what if he actually had decided to use the webbing during the PIS induced Graveyard fight?
Do you think the outcomes of these battles would have been in Wolvie's Favor?
Come on now man..you're just pulling straws. There ain't no shame in loosing a debate. Just take it like a man..and move on..😆 😆
Originally posted by jinzinfighting "slow and stupid" and not using all @ his disposal(webs)
you're missing the point...I don't know how, but you keep on missing it..
IF WOLVERINE WASN'T HOLDING BACK HE WOULD HAVE BEEN SWINGING HIS ARMS TO BREAK UP SPIDERMAN'S ATTACK, AND WOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO GET UP WITH EASE. SPIDERMAN DODGING WOLVERINE'S CLAW STRIKES IN THAT FIGHT ARE COMPLETELY INVALID BECAUSE: WOLVERINE WAS HOLDING BACK.
who went all out? spidey
Originally posted by jinzinfighting "slow and stupid" and not using all @ his disposal(webs)
who ran out of options? spidey
Originally posted by jinzinAnd Spidey who couldn't bring himself to kill.
who held back? wolverine
Originally posted by jinzinBoth(could've broke his neck). I doubt Wolvie was holding back up until the point where Spidey let him get up.
who could have killed his opponent? wolverine...hmmm
Originally posted by whobdamandog
What if Spider Man wasn't holding back during Secret Wars?Or if he wasn't holding back after he Webbed him up in MK Spider Man?
Or if he actually had decided to use the webbing in PIS induced Graveyard fight?
Do you think the outcomes of these battles would have been in Wolvie's Favor?
Come on now man..you're just pulling straws. There ain't no shame in loosing a debate. Just take it like a man..and move on..😆 😆
Plenty of times Wolverine was holding back as well.