Originally posted by Melnorme
That's both weird and badly done. How did Wolverine go from being upright and facing Spiderman, to being inverted with his back turned to him with his foot in his crotch? That's totally unclear. Are there missing scenes? What issue is that, even?
punisher 34.. backflip kick.. presented exactly as displayed.
Originally posted by Melnorme
Couldn't have fallen that far; the space in the cables is almost exactly as far apart as his arms allow. That doesn't imply a very far drop to me at all. If you'd like to put up more scans showing your point, however, you're welcome to.Wolverine isn't lifting it at all. His arms aren't bent, even in the slightest. And I'm not so sure that the elevator is multi-ton. Most cars aren't even multi-ton, and they actually have engines in them.
Look at the green lines. His arms are bent. For his arms not to be using any muscle (even though his grip strength would have to have the strength regardless) his hands would both have to fall on the green line that is 90 degrees. They do not.
Elevators are made to be very sturdy to hold large amounts of weight (ex. 15-20 people). Cars are lighter weight to conserve fuel and because they typically only carry up to 5 passengers. Weight saving on an elevator is not priority since there are counterbalancing weights to lift the elevator so the motor doesn't work hard. They are made of iron/steel. An empty elevator weighs roughly 3.5 tons. This elevator is stated to have people inside of it. Let's say they equal 1/4 ton. That's 3.75 tons he is holding up with one hand... at an angle. Take into consideration that the elevator picked up some momentum before it was caught and you'll see that Wolverine one handed over 4 tons.
Over 4 tons! If you want to do the math yourself go ahead. F=MA. Figure out how much acceleration took place during that distance (estimate the distance between the two ends of the cable). I'm no physics guy but I can tell you catching the weight at even that relatively small speed requires a lot more strength than simply holding it in place.
P.S. there are 4 thick cables holding that elevator up.. that's a clue as to the weight.
Originally posted by jinzin
spiderman grabs him from behind.... wolverine backflips his feet INTO spiderman.. what's so hard to understand about that? 😕
Except he grabs him from the front, unless Wolverine is pirouetting around like a ballerina after he takes a swing. In fact, the way the hands are positioned, it would be impossible for Spidey to have grabbed him from behind. Though, it is hard to tell because it's fairly badly drawn. As far as I can tell Wolverine has two left hands in that frame where Spidey's grabbed him by the wrists.
By the wrists, fans of Wolverine take note...if he wants to at any time he can just grab Wolverine by his own wrists in mid-attack.
It just so happened that Spidey graciously let him off with a friendly "Woah, Tiger...we all friends here" CIS nonsense and got groin kicked through some inexplicable body teleport nonsense, whereas in a Bloodlust bout, he would throw him through a concrete wall. 😈
spiderman's behind wolvrine's forearms which are up in the air... he couldn't have logically been infront of wolverine.. 🤨
there's nothing to indicate such either.
of course this would be misinterpretted by spidey fans to make him look good again.. 🙄
this does nothing more than prove that spiderman's webbing still doesn't work against wolverine..
that he can grab him from behind while wolverine's focused on someone else
that grabbing him STILL isn't a good idea...
that his speed and spidersense STILL don't hold up much to logan...
Originally posted by scotsmn
Look at the green lines. His arms are bent. For his arms not to be using any muscle (even though his grip strength would have to have the strength regardless) his hands would both have to fall on the green line that is 90 degrees. They do not.
Originally posted by scotsmn
Elevators are made to be very sturdy to hold large amounts of weight (ex. 15-20 people). Cars are lighter weight to conserve fuel and because they typically only carry up to 5 passengers. Weight saving on an elevator is not priority since there are counterbalancing weights to lift the elevator so the motor doesn't work hard. They are made of iron/steel.
Originally posted by scotsmn
An empty elevator weighs roughly 3.5 tons. This elevator is stated to have people inside of it. Let's say they equal 1/4 ton. That's 3.75 tons he is holding up with one hand... at an angle. Take into consideration that the elevator picked up some momentum before it was caught and you'll see that Wolverine one handed over 4 tons.
Originally posted by jinzin
spiderman's behind wolvrine's forearms which are up in the air... he couldn't have logically been infront of wolverine.. 🤨there's nothing to indicate such either.
Spider-Man's in front of Wolverine in the frame immediately preceding that one. I think that's a strong indicator.
Originally posted by jinzin
umm no he's directly above wolverine daredevil's the one infront of wolverine.. 🤨
Yes, clearly, as Spiderman doesn't have horns. He's backflipping. He remains in front of Wolverine the ENTIRE TIME.
Besides, you still haven't addressed the fact that Wolverine's arms couldn't actually bend that way if he were behind him anyway. 😆
Originally posted by Melnorme
Yes. The circumstance was that Spider-Man lead him around like a matador dealing with a raging bull.
and that he got lucky with plot devices in abundance and that firlord was holding back...
Originally posted by Melnorme
I'm glad you're not denying the obvious, but these reasons and Spider-Man's vast experience are really what won the day. You can argue if you want...just hold that thought on "plot devices" for a bit, will you?
he had luck and circumstances in abundance going for him as well...
Originally posted by Melnorme
And you must be punch drunk from getting smacked around so often on these forums. 😆 ?
by whom? certainly not yourself, as you are consistently proven wrong by myself and others...
🙄 guess your ego's still hurting eh bitter? 😉
Originally posted by Melnorme
"Close enough" is a comparison. You are saying that he is comparable to the Hulk. Don't fence with me. You're bad at it.?
fencing? never tried it before. I'd guess I'm about as bad at fencing as you are following trains of thought you'd be correct if I was responding to a post that had to do with hulk unfortunately...
this:
Originally posted by jinzin
class 70 or 80 close enough...
was a direct response to this:
Originally posted by Melnorme
Roughhouse isn't a 100 tonner. 🙄
which as you can see has no mention of hulk... 🤨
Originally posted by Melnorme
Right. You just call it "plot devices". Well, call it PIS, CIS, plot devices, deus ex machina...whatever. Poe-tay-toe. Poh-tot-oh. Six of one, half a dozen of the other. Did I mention you're a bad fencer? 😛
plot devices and PIS are two entirely differnt things.. 🤨 do you even know the difference between the two?
Originally posted by Melnorme
Right. Just like you did here...
Originally posted by Melnorme
Wait, I just thought you said it wasn't a plot element,
no I said it wasn't PIS..
a plot device doesn't dictate "stupidity" in the sense of PIS...
Originally posted by Melnormeonce again ignoring the circumstances and plot devices he once again.. had in abundance.. 🤨 yeah ... easy to call out victories when ignoring the opposition's actual arguments... doh
Well, I wonder what quality you're showing by implying that I need a map drawn in crayon. Best not to claim moral outrage and then try for a low blow in that manner, in my experience. No matter. You've conceded throughout your post that tactics, smarts, and strategy played a role in Spider-Man's victory over Firelord. That's enough for me. 💃
Originally posted by Melnorme
Yes, clearly, as Spiderman doesn't have horns. He's backflipping. He remains in front of Wolverine the ENTIRE TIME.
he's most likely front flipping.. there's no indication that he's doing a backflip.. considering that he ladns behind wolverine it must have been a front flip...
Originally posted by Melnormewolverine's arms are raised up above his head... like front shoulder raise to the ceiling. his arms are fine..
Besides, you still haven't addressed the fact that Wolverine's arms couldn't actually bend that way if he were behind him anyway. 😆
Originally posted by scotsmnAre we arguing that wolverine can LOGICALLY lift that because its a dead argument before it starts, his skeleton is the only reason it stays up...Look at the green lines. His arms are bent. For his arms not to be using any muscle (even though his grip strength would have to have the strength regardless) his hands would both have to fall on the green line that is 90 degrees. They do not.
Elevators are made to be very sturdy to hold large amounts of weight (ex. 15-20 people). Cars are lighter weight to conserve fuel and because they typically only carry up to 5 passengers. Weight saving on an elevator is not priority since there are counterbalancing weights to lift the elevator so the motor doesn't work hard. They are made of iron/steel. An empty elevator weighs roughly 3.5 tons. This elevator is stated to have people inside of it. Let's say they equal 1/4 ton. That's 3.75 tons he is holding up with one hand... at an angle. Take into consideration that the elevator picked up some momentum before it was caught and you'll see that Wolverine one handed over 4 tons.
Over 4 tons! If you want to do the math yourself go ahead. F=MA. Figure out how much acceleration took place during that distance (estimate the distance between the two ends of the cable). I'm no physics guy but I can tell you catching the weight at even that relatively small speed requires a lot more strength than simply holding it in place.
P.S. there are 4 thick cables holding that elevator up.. that's a clue as to the weight.
Originally posted by scotsmn
Not only did he hold it, he caught it after it had already gained some momentum.. which is even harder. "dangling" 800 pounds requires a lot of strength. Let's not forget 2 important things. Wolverine is supposedly able to lift 800lbs with BOTH arms, not just one. That elevator is WELL beyond 800lbs. That's multi-ton.
Did you not even read my post?
"No, C-master is definitely correct. Something I've brought up before, too.
Look at Wolverine. He's not lifting the elevator car. He's holding it with a death grip. His skeleton is doing the rest.
If I had an unbreakable skeleton and maybe just a good-gripping glove, I could do the same thing. If he didn't have that adamantium skeleton, the weight of that car would pull his arm from its socket if he didn't let go.
Strength is not an issue in that instance."
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Did you not even read my post?"No, C-master is definitely correct. Something I've brought up before, too.
Look at Wolverine. He's not lifting the elevator car. He's holding it with a death grip. His skeleton is doing the rest.
If I had an unbreakable skeleton and maybe just a good-gripping glove, I could do the same thing. If he didn't have that adamantium skeleton, the weight of that car would pull his arm from its socket if he didn't let go.
Strength is not an issue in that instance."
bt his arm is semi-curled upwards.. if his arms were completely straight then you would be right.. but they aren't...
Originally posted by jinzin
spiderman's behind wolvrine's forearms which are up in the air... he couldn't have logically been infront of wolverine.. 🤨there's nothing to indicate such either.
of course this would be misinterpretted by spidey fans to make him look good again.. 🙄
this does nothing more than prove that spiderman's webbing still doesn't work against wolverine..
that he can grab him from behind while wolverine's focused on someone else
that grabbing him STILL isn't a good idea...
that his speed and spidersense STILL don't hold up much to logan...
Actually, Jin, I'm gonna have to disagree, too. Look at the pic, man. Spidey has him from the front. Looks to me like an "X" shape of the arms, the way Spidey is holding him. Then somehow he breaks free of Spiderman's superhuman grip, flips around, and kicks Spidey.
Doesn't make much sense.
Originally posted by jinzin
bt his arm is semi-curled upwards.. if his arms were completely straight then you would be right.. but they aren't...
That's a bit of a stretch, don't you think, Jin? His left arm is SLIGHTLY bent. Yes, slightly. The right arm looks pretty damn straight to me.
It's all his skeleton and a good grip on the cable.