Wolverine vs. Spider-Man

Originally posted by jinzin

dude wolverine said it not me.....

he's a little below hulk, as wolverine as stated...

class 70 or 80 close enough...

Brother Jinzin speaks the Truth!!! In Verse 10 of the book of Ad Nauseum..the prophet clearly states..

Verse 10

"And if ye obey these commands..ye shall receive the 70 fold strength of our Lord Wolverine..who is above all ye other Gods."

The term 70 fold translates to "70 tons." Scholars have suggested that the term "100 fold" was used in the original translation, however, the text was changed over the years by theologians who believed that 100 tons was a bit excessive.

I depart from ye all now. You have two choices..either follow the Truth..or ye can follow the lie.

Keep the faith Brother Jinzin. 😇

Originally posted by jinzin
oooo hey there... 😉

See kept my promise.......lol

Originally posted by LethalFemme
See kept my promise.......lol

indeed you did.. my hearts now warmer because of it.

Originally posted by Melnorme
Odd...it was in the context of Hulk. That whole conversation was. In fact, it was a response to a response in which you placed Roughhouse in a comparable level of power to the Hulk for determining Wolverine's staying power.

Come now, let's just drop it. I feel bad for making you mince words like this. Let's just move forward so I can get new material. 😉

except for the fact that the conversation had evolved as soon as wolverie888 posted this

Originally posted by wolverine8888
again i own the comic i read it they were fighting spiderman web wolverine as they were talken read the dma thing again and stop posting parts that show only ur piont of few if u post the actauly beginning they u know it proves u wrong. also u are ignoring the picture becuase that pictures alone proves u wrong.

to simply illustrate that wolverine can deal with class 100 bricks..
(though roughouse isn't 100)

but he's a brick nonetheless...

the idea was later rienforced by this:

Originally posted by wolverine8888
actaully we werent we were tlaking about woverine getting ko vs 100 ton character which just disproved

you responded...

Originally posted by Melnorme
Roughhouse isn't a 100 tonner. 🙄

to which I replied...

Originally posted by jinzin
class 70 or 80 close enough...

which although accurate was a half scarcastic remark..

this is the conversation you used to claim I compared the two.. hulk wasn't in this conversation... the conversation wasn't even about hulk but wolverine vs. a brick...

then when cornered you bring this up...

Originally posted by jinzin
he's a little below hulk, as wolverine as stated...

which is exactly what happened... wolverine's fought hulk enough times to friggin know.. and I did say this was most likely an observation vs. hulk's base strength....

Originally posted by Melnorme
I know who it is. But we were talking about the Hulk. Don't change the subject.

Roughhouse isn't close to being on par with the Hulk.

wolverine obviously feels differently ... but yeah he is close to hulk's base which as been proven...

NOW I'm comparing the two.. have at it...

Originally posted by jinzin
disagree all you like doesn't make you any less wrong..

Originally posted by jinzin
secret war is recent.. has nothing to do with secret wars....

you're just proving more of my point though.. thanks.

Would you care to post the scans of those stats so that we can all see what you are talking about, or shall we take your analysis at face value?

Dear noobs who do not understand the elevator example,

If the cables in his hands had hooks on the ends of them, and if those hooks were attached to hookes sticking out of Woverine's two hands, then you could say it was his skeleton holding it up. However, Wolverine's hand and forearm muscles are what grants him the ability to hold up that much weight through GRIP. You think if a body builder was granted an adamantium skeleton he would all of a sudden be able to lift more weight? Forget about it! Your MUSCLES are what grant you strength, not your bones. Your bones are simply there for the muslces to have something firm to latch on to.

Besides grip strength, his arm IS at an angle.

You see the little shaky lines around his fists? That implies that his fists are shaking in one spot, not that they are dropping. He is holding part of that weight up with his bicep (the muscle that lets you do curls).

In answer to the question about how I know how much elevators weigh, I asked my building engineer about it. Our elevators weigh about 3.5 tons empty and hold 15 people. I'm not sure where you live but in LA this is common.

Originally posted by Melnorme
Similarly, your insistance doesn't make you any more correct.

Originally posted by Melnorme
My mistake then, but it's a trivial point. Your assumption is based on the notion that all attributes are equally applicable and beneficial. This is a fallacy.

only when they are in wolverine's favor is it a fallacy?
when the two characters are directly compared and wolverine comes out the better of the two well it's kinda hard not to come to that comclusion don't ya think?

Originally posted by Melnorme
Would you care to post the scans of those stats so that we can all see what you are talking about, or shall we take your analysis at face value?

go out and buy the book... someone else has already posted the scans.. it's not my analysis.. it's marvels.. changes things quite a bit in my opinion...

Originally posted by jinzin
except for the fact that the conversation had evolved as soon as wolverie888 posted this

to simply illustrate that wolverine can deal with class 100 bricks..
(though roughouse isn't 100)

but he's a brick nonetheless...

the idea was later rienforced by this:

you responded...

to which I replied...

which although accurate was a half scarcastic remark..

this is the conversation you used to claim I compared the two.. hulk wasn't in this conversation... the conversation wasn't even about hulk but wolverine vs. a brick...

then when cornered you bring this up...

which is exactly what happened... wolverine's fought hulk enough times to friggin know.. and I did say this was most likely an observation vs. hulk's base strength....

wolverine obviously feels differently ... but yeah he is close to hulk's base which as been proven...

NOW I'm comparing the two.. have at it...

😆
That's a hell of a tapdance, Jinzin. For someone who didn't make a comparison, that sure looks like a lot of work to prove that it didn't happen. Are you sure you're not just a whole mess of rationalizing? 😱

Originally posted by Melnorme
😆
That's a hell of a tapdance, Jinzin. For someone who didn't make a comparison, that sure looks like a lot of work to prove that it didn't happen. Are you sure you're not just a whole mess of rationalizing? 😱

because it annoys me that you think I made a comparison in a conversation where hulk wasn't in it...

are you sure you're not just wrong?

Originally posted by jinzin
but the multitudes of proof of direct comparison on any standard of evidence does... 🙂

Originally posted by jinzin
only when they are in wolverine's favor is it a fallacy?
when the two characters are directly compared and wolverine comes out the better of the two well it's kinda hard not to come to that comclusion don't ya think?

Anyway, my point still stands, and has been proved time and again in comics. Not all stats are truly equal. For example, Hulk's superior strength doesn't always prevail against Wovlerine's, because Wolverine is faster. Similarly, Wolverine's combat experience is less useful against Spider-Man, because Spider-Man is significantly faster, and has a precognitive sense.

Originally posted by jinzin
go out and buy the book... someone else has already posted the scans.. it's not my analysis.. it's marvels.. changes things quite a bit in my opinion...

I see. 🙄

Originally posted by jinzin

are you sure you're not just wrong?

Originally posted by jinzin
apparently...

Since you do not dispute my last post I assume you reailze I'm correct. Wolverine's strength is greater than his bios say. This may explain why he is able to rip Spiderman's webbing.

Originally posted by scotsmn
Since you do not dispute my last post I assume you reailze I'm correct. Wolverine's strength is greater than his bios say. This may explain why he is able to rip Spiderman's webbing.

But...I did dispute it. I'm not the only one. Wolverine's not even a 1-Tonner.

Originally posted by Melnorme
Odd, the only "standard" that seems to lead to that conclusion is yours.

okay the standard of comics..spiderman regularly gets humiliated by wolverine and is only capible of coming out on tp when wolverine's holding back or unwilling to fight period.

stats put wolverine at a higher overall powerlevel than spiderman... it's not all about whos faster stronger and smarter...

Originally posted by Melnorme
Not sure. What's a "comclusion"?

Originally posted by Melnorme
Anyway, my point still stands, and has been proved time and again in comics. Not all stats are truly equal. For example, Hulk's superior strength doesn't always prevail against Wovlerine's, because Wolverine is faster. .

which is fine.. but if you want to use comics as your standard of evidence wolverine's already proven himself superior to spiderman on multiple occasions..

Originally posted by Melnorme
Similarly, Wolverine's combat experience is less useful against Spider-Man, because Spider-Man is significantly faster, and has a precognitive sense.

Originally posted by Melnorme
So, we are to take your analysis of the stats as gospel fact, then?

I see. 🙄

unless spiderman can be superior to wolverine inspite of being inferior to him because of stats i don't see how else you can possibly take that... 🤨

Originally posted by cybermaster
which comic book did u get that from ?

punisher 34

Originally posted by scotsmn
Since you do not dispute my last post I assume you reailze I'm correct. Wolverine's strength is greater than his bios say. This may explain why he is able to rip Spiderman's webbing.

Originally posted by Melnorme
But...I did dispute it. I'm not the only one. Wolverine's not even a 1-Tonner.

I'll take that as you realizing he DID lift something that demonstrated his strength is in the tonS.

Originally posted by cybermaster
wolverine would have a hassel slasshing his webbing after spiderman blinding his eyes with his web.

maybe...

Originally posted by Melnorme
But...I did dispute it. I'm not the only one. Wolverine's not even a 1-Tonner.

🤨

you just said ...

Originally posted by Melnorme
has been proved time and again in comics.

you want to use comics as a standard of evidence until something happens that you don't like... quite subjective really...