Originally posted by srankmissingninNo I'll simplify what I'm saying down...
You're going to have be a bit clearer because I'm not sure what you are saying. I looks like you are saying that Spider-man's strength fluctuates, not because the writer wants it to be... but just because it is.The varying levels of Wolverine's healing factor have more to due with his story line then the opinion of the writer. Wolverine's healing factor in his early Uncanny days was far from at it's best (he said so himself and chalked it up to old age but it's more likely he was still have side effects of his first adamantium bonding process) and Clarmount gradually lowered Wolverine's healing factor (I heard he was building up to a story line similar to Miller's "Enemy of the State" that never got made). Magneto riped the adamantuim out of Wolverine taxing the healing factor out completely for a while until it went into over drive. Wolverine rejected Genesis' adamantium bonding process reverting into his feral state and amping his healing factor up some more. Apocalypse's bonding process was more advanced then that of Department H and Wolverine's healing factor didn't regress as much as after his first bonding.
I'm saying that its a statistic so even though it fluctuates in the comics, its suitable for the forums... simply because we can rely on the fact that he is currently at 15 tons.
Since wolverine's healing often derives on the situation he's in... (if he's fighting somone like DD or batman in level of strength he still feels pain) it will be consistently argued on... don't you agree with that premise?
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I've seen inconsistant feats but nothing statistically that has it at a set level... Hence why there is a set level in tourneys and the like so there WON'T be an argument on how much damage the canuck can endure...
So are you made that those encredible inaccurate handbooks marvel publishes don't have an accurate listing of the level of Wolverine's healing factor? Is that what you mean by statistically? If you read Wolverine comic's you wouldn't need someone to tell you how good his healing factor is, you'd have enough examples to figure it out.
Originally posted by srankmissingninI understand your point, my point is that it will be very difficult to settle on it 100% is all, and I think that it might be a good idea for the forum to set a limit like in the tournaments. But if that happened then debating would be half the fun in itself.
So are you made that those encredible inaccurate handbooks marvel publishes don't have an accurate listing of the level of Wolverine's healing factor? Is that what you mean by statistically? If you read Wolverine comic's you wouldn't need someone to tell you how good his healing factor is, you'd have enough examples to figure it out.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
No I'll simplify what I'm saying down...I'm saying that its a statistic so even though it fluctuates in the comics, its suitable for the forums... simply because we can rely on the fact that he is currently at 15 tons.
Since wolverine's healing often derives on the situation he's in... (if he's fighting somone like DD or batman in level of strength he still feels pain) it will be consistently argued on... don't you agree with that premise?
Ah, I get you know. We know Spider-man is supposed to be 15 tons so we can say this showing is either too high or too low but with Wolverine you we aren't sure which are the low, accurate and high showings. Well wolverine8888, jinzin (from what I have seen this guys know around as much as I do) and myself have all read at least 90% of Wolverine's appearances and we have an excellent idea of how his healing factor is portrayed the majority of the time and that is the healing factor level we use in these debates. No one brings up PIS garbage like the nuke or the sun incident because we know they are ridiculous but we also know crap like getting downed by DD and a throat chop is garbage
Spider-man is more capable than Wolverine in every way offensively. Wolverine can take more punishment but does not compare to Spider-man and is drastically weaker thus very inferior. This would not be the case if it weren't for the fact that Spider-man is smaller, more limber, and more precise than Wolverine. ( Proof of his precision is in his ability to hit targets without even concentrating on hitting them....web slinging)
His Spider-sense just puts him further above Wolverine in anticipating attacks and effectively countering.
Wolverine can also be rendered immobile by webbing applied in precise locations.
Wolverines option is to cut Spider-man. That's the only thing that he can do to win. Spider-man can dodge blows easier than he can dodge bullets, (duuh) and he dodges bullets with ease)
Given Spider-man and Wolverines' abilities, Wolverine has the odds stacked against him.
Originally posted by The MISTER
Spider-man is more capable than Wolverine in every way offensively. Wolverine can take more punishment but does not compare to Spider-man and is drastically weaker thus very inferior. This would not be the case if it weren't for the fact that Spider-man is smaller, more limber, and more precise than Wolverine. ( Proof of his precision is in his ability to hit targets without even concentrating on hitting them....web slinging)His Spider-sense just puts him further above Wolverine in anticipating attacks and effectively countering.
Wolverine can also be rendered immobile by webbing applied in precise locations.
Wolverines option is to cut Spider-man. That's the only thing that he can do to win. Spider-man can dodge blows easier than he can dodge bullets, (duuh) and he dodges bullets with ease)
Given Spider-man and Wolverines' abilities, Wolverine has the odds stacked against him.
Wolverine has stabbed flys one three occations, he has thrown a dart and hit the bullseye on the dart board, then thrown two more darts each into the end of the dart that went before it and he has cut the all the armor off of Giest and Doc Samson in a mad flury of claws with out leaving a single scratch on either men. Spider-man is not as percise as Wolverine.
...once agains webbing gives Spider-man the win
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Throat chop might be valid...there is no bone in front of the windpipe, right?I think he would just heal far faster from it then a normal guy.
It would have hurt like heal and maybe dropped Wolverine, but with the speed of Wolverine's healing factor it should have healed before he hit the ground.
Originally posted by srankmissingninSpidey has ricocheted his webbing DD style to hit a button on razorbacks belt.
Wolverine has stabbed flys one three occations, he has thrown a dart and hit the bullseye on the dart board, then thrown two more darts each into the end of the dart that went before it and he has cut the all the armor off of Giest and Doc Samson in a mad flury of claws with out leaving a single scratch on either men. Spider-man is not as percise as Wolverine....once agains webbing gives Spider-man the win
He once caught a vial of bioweapon that was falling at a great distance. Moving target> dartboard. Wolverine is a master with his claws but that's understandable.....He's not as precise as Spider-man outside of claw ability. Spidey can make a 30 foot leap to land on one hand on a flagpole. He's a master of precision.
Claws vs webbing
The webbing has made quite a few more displays of precision.
Originally posted by The MISTER
Spidey has ricocheted his webbing DD style to hit a button on razorbacks belt.He once caught a vial of bioweapon that was falling at a great distance. Moving target> dartboard. Wolverine is a master with his claws but that's understandable.....He's not as precise as Spider-man outside of claw ability. Spidey can make a 30 foot leap to land on one hand on a flagpole. He's a master of precision.
Claws vs webbing
The webbing has made quite a few more displays of precision.
Seems to me that the few things I just listed are much more impressive then catching a vile or hiting a botton, but hey to each his own.
Originally posted by Jose123
Why do people keep saying that wolverine was created to fight the Hulk?
did any of you actually read the issue. The only reason Wolvy was there in the Hulk issue was to promote the new x-men comic that was coming out around that time.And wolvys job was to make sure they stay awy from the town not go kick ass. In fact when he actually fought the hulk he got knocked on his ass. Yet the fan boys continue to bring it up as proof of his badassnes.
well... how's it feel to be flat out wrong?
the creater of wolverine who's name escapes me at the moment created wolverine for two specific reasons...
one: to be a hulk villain.
and two: to create a canadian superhero. (no joke)
infact the wolverine was placed in the x-men because they needed more characters to fill the roster and they didn't know what else to do with him...
and if you read the book like your implying you have, you would know that wolverine was sent out by the canadian government to capture hulk and bring him in.. not keep him away from "the town"..and by the way... what "town" would you be reffering two? 🤨
They weren't anywhere NEAR a town... they were out in the canadian wilderness... there wasn't even a "town" involved in the story.... 😕
wolverine was actually giving hulk one hell of a fight.. AFTER KOing wendigo.... hulk won by not one but two CHERAPSHOTS... it's proof of his badassness whether you would accept it or not..
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I've seen Spiderman have a problem lifting things like vans on and off in his career for no real reason. 😬I've seen him get caught in kingpin's grip, and then I've seen him lift a train. His strength doesn't do much unless its on this forum to be honest, as Spiderman's opponents are most likely stronger than him to begin with.
Spiderman's is statistically speaking, I can look and understand that spiderman's lifting strength is augmented and not because a writer simply wants to potray him as such.
Wolverine's healing on the other hand, fluctuates from writer to writer and within situation, which makes matches like these... very difficult to settle 100%
a constant like spider strength fluctuates and you have no problem..
a healing factor contingent on other factors changes and you do? 🤨
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I understand your point, my point is that it will be very difficult to settle on it 100% is all, and I think that it might be a good idea for the forum to set a limit like in the tournaments. But if that happened then debating would be half the fun in itself.
set a limit on one of his powers? 🤨
so much arguing for the spider sense.. let's set a limit on that too.. 😕
Originally posted by jinzin
8? 🤨okay aside from the fact that I don't think wolverine loses the majority..
ummm what changed? wasn't spidey only winning 7 or 6 out of 10 before? what happened to that?
Really? Thats funny I was going to say 6-7/10 but I thought that I said 8 before and didn't want to contradict myself.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
If DD is fast enough to land a throat chop on Wolverine, then Wolvie is in for a world of hurt when facing off against Spiderman, about 15x faster than DD. And 15+ times stronger as well.I seem to recall DD knocking Wolverine out with a dumbell as well?
Originally posted by TwisterGameX
And wolverine wasn't ?Also so spiderman with the slightest anger makes him loose to a human ?
exactly... which is why bloodlust isn't a good way to go for spiderman..
I remember reading in an issue.. where... (was his name the wonderer.. I don't remember.. some all knowing bearded guy)
was talking about spiderman making the assertion that spiderman was so effective in a fight because of his defensive style and powerset.. his mindgames also help assert an advantage over opponents...
enraged.. or in bloodlust... well.. he fights like crap...