Originally posted by samishe
I have no problems with Punisher beating Spider-man with his equipment. Punisher with prep time is very taugh.Wolverine never showed to be fast enough to keep up with Spider-man.
He only showed that he is a popular trade mark. Not his strength nor speed are anything seriouse comparing to Spider-man. And those "avoiding bullets feats" are nothing because almost every comix character avoid bullets.(but not every character sees all bullets coming) And Wolverine avoids them easier because bullets are not a threat for him. So again, except for the PIS writing and crazy love of fans, Wolverine has nothing on Spider-man.
yp u say it all hype and PIS. ur debating ability is pethetic im sorry, but saying ever thign is PIS becuase u can't prove any thing does not make ur statement correct. by the way if any one is beign hyped it is spiderman sicne he is marvel most populer character
wolverine does not aviod bullets many of the feats I have lisited were wolverine dodging bullets as he chagre straight at people. many were wolevrien dodging lazers as he chraged people. u have no read my feats that I have listed at all and u should go do some before u speak about them.
have u ever read weapon x? wolverine states bullets move in slow motion to him. so ya spiderman seeing bullets in slow motion is could btu wolevrien see them in slow motion as well.
also here are some feat u may wanna read up on.
Wolverine has shown that not only is his agility and reflexes are fast enough to dodge Spiderman’s webbing, but that his hands move quite fast enough to cut it easily.
(Giant-sized x-men #4) wolverine and night crawler make a bet that night crawler is still just as fast as he is with out his teleporting. Wolverine proves him wrong in a flash by moving his hands so fast that he has two claws on either side of night crawlers neck. Wolverine proving that his hand speed is quite easily fast enough to catch night crawler whose agility and reflexes are quite high.
(Uncanny x-men vs. X-23 # 451) x-23 lunges attacks wolverine with both her claws at once and wolverine with one hand catches both her arms before she hits him. This feat shows that wolverine arm speed is quite fast, so fast then even he clone who as I recall gave Spiderman some trouble is not nearly as fast.
(X-men what price victory?! # 102) this feat is actually many feats in one. It is a strength, skill and hand movement speed in one. Wolverine attacks Domina with just his fists and gives her quite a beating and right before he does this she had just taken out his entire team. She hit night crawler in mid teleporting and she beat the crap out colossus and the rest of the team. Wolverine using his speed skill and strength manages to give her a beating though he does not KO her he is able to hurt her enough for his team to escape.
(Wolverine 182) wolverines hand movements are pretty dam fast and this is not a high end feat.
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Wolverine hand speed is amazingly fast and accurate as shown in the picture below.
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(Wolverine #22) wolverine hand speed is so fast it is able to cut the darts shot out of the dart gun right out of the air. Since my scanner broken I can not show u what happen after this picture, but u can look it up your self. Not only did wolverine cut those darts out of the air, but he is so skill he made them shot into another guy with out the guy noticing.
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This is not a high end hand movement feat but it still pretty fast; wolverine hands moving so fast it seem like there like 5 of them.
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(Wolverine #23) This picture shows wolverine hands move every fast. The sad part is I do not have the scan of what happens after wolverine does this. On the next page every part of the cyborg that is not human was cut off. This show that not only does his hands move immensely fast, but that he is also beyond skilled with his weapon of choice.
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Low end feat but still quite fast.
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Wolverine cutting a rocket powered dart out of the air.
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Reflex and agility dodging feats.
(Wolverine #9 coyote crossing part 3) this picture below shows some good dodging and agility. The next few pages which I do not have scans on my computer are in my option more impressive. Wolverine in the few pages after the one posted below dodge a lot more gun firer from a lot more men and while charging them with out taking a single hit.
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(marvel team-up Spiderman and wolverine #117) wolverine using his agility and reflex and fighting skill takes out army of guys while dodging lasers, which is even mentioned in the text.
(Wolverine #120) wolverine is pinned between to cars he can move his legs and he still a guy shoot a hand gun at him from like 2 feet away and he still manages to move his head enough to dodge the bullet almost completely even though he is stuck. This is a low end feat, but I thought it was worth a mention.
Wolverine dodging the living lightning using his senses and speed to do it.
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(Wolverine #142) wolverine through out this comic shows some pretty impressive dodging feats. He dodges laser and machine gun firer quite easily.
Speed feat. Wolverine is pretty dam fast. He is faster then human eye can see at times.
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(wolverine #97) wolverine while fight a bunch of guys in metal suits manages to while charging one to not be hit by a single bullet and when the guy is firing at him with two very high powered machine guns.
(House of M #3) wolverine while fighting his squadron manages not to be hit by a single bullet and even at one point shows the bullets in slow motion next to him. Also at one point night crawler teleport a foot or so away from him shooting as shown as he appear and wolverine still just ducks under the firer and crab night crawler tail easily with out getting hit.
(Wolverine #133) wolverine easily dodges energy blast sent his way by power house.
(x-men classic #55) wolverine dodges a laser blast front a sentinel even after prof.x was in his h3ad and made him lose his stride.
(Wolverine weaponx the origin of wolverine) soldier shoot bullets at wolverine and are shown to look like there in slow motion to wolverine.
(x-men x-cutioner’s song chapter 6) cable firer a gun at wolverine from point blank wolverine dodges it then cut cables gun.
(Wolverine #24) wolverine dodges a bullet from a trained assassin from close range and even comment on how easy it is.
(Wolverine in Black Shadow! White Shadow! Chapter one the killing ground) has wolverine cutting a guys gun to piece with out him even seeing it. Also in the same issue wolverine dodges a bunch of machinegun firer.
(Wolverine #40) wolverine well carrying a girl dodges beams of deadly light.
(Wolverine vs Spiderman nuff said? #48) wolverine has a little fist fight with Spiderman and seems to have had the upper hand in the battle.
(wolverine #137) wolverine dodges a bunch of lasers.
(x-men #103) wolverine shows some his agility well getting out of a trap rogue get him in.
Wolverines fast look at how he saves night crawler
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(Wolverine soultalker 3) wolverine in a small room easily dodges the beam this witch girl shoots at him.
Wolverine is quite fast and accurate
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(Wolverine #53) a rocket is flying through the air as it goes by wolverine he stabs it with his claws and leaps on it. In order to do this feat u would need amazingly fast reflexes and agility.