Wolverine vs. Spider-Man · Comic Book 'Versus' Forum

Metalmanx Illuminati Founder

Originally posted by Valharu
Of course Spider-Man wins.........when he doesn't lose. 😂

Alright. That's enough of that now. 😛

Soleran Fast As Time

Originally posted by srankmissingnin

And Spider-man doesn't have experience to dwarf other heroes.

Duh, Squidboy!@

Valharu Where's my beer woman????

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Alright. That's enough of that now. 😛

😂 Sorry.

Metalmanx Illuminati Founder

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
What else could he have done? He was already in melee with Wolverine and needed to constantly assault him to keep Wolverine from putting up a defence. If he laid off on his barrage of punches to try to web up Wolverine he would have lost his advantage of the situation. Even so Wolverine still managed to get the upperhand. The fight started in melee and it stayed that way, Spider-man never had the chance to web up Wolverine... the only other thing Spider-man could have done in the situation was sit back and let Wolverine kick his ass.
And Spider-man doesn't have experience to dwarf other heroes. He has a appearance that started earlier then most but story wise he is only in his mid thirties. Most heroes have combat experience that dwarfs his. And how smart of a fighter could Spider-man possibly be? His fighting style has him jumping around like a jack rabit on crack. That is prehaps the worst possible fighting style for someone in his speed class.

In his comic-lifetime, Spidey has been fighting crime for about 20+ years now. And it wasn't just thugs. For 20+ years, he's been fighting super-powered villians. Villians that he's had to adapt to again and again each time they fight. Villians that would tear Wolverine apart (Venom, Carnage, Morlun, etc.). And yet, he comes out victorious everytime. Because not only is he a scientific genius, over the years he's become a combat genius as well. Spider-Man is the most resourceful superhero there is, in my opinion. He knows he has to and does adapt to each and every fight like it's the first time. He doesn't just jump "around like a jack rabit on crack". He uses his powers efficiently to attack his opponents from all different angles, hardly ever using the exact same move twice. Which makes him pretty much completely unpredictable, which has proven to be one of his trademark abilities. He's the best at figuring out his opponent on the fly. In the case against Wolverine, even a moderately-well-written Spider-Man would realize, "Hey, punching him in the face isn't working. I think I'll punch him elsewhere now. Perhaps even web him. Since, you know, I have that ability and all when my writer allows me to remember all of my powers/abilities/skills/techniques." Spidey has fought people up close in melee before and was still always able to use his webbing. The proximity to his opponent means absolutely nothing. It's not like it takes him days to shoot his webbing, it's all in the flick of his wrist. He's done it before in countless fights. Doc Ock comes to mind (who would be much harder to do to, since Peter would have many more risks and dangers heading for him).

Basically, Wolverine's "I'm a badass which means I win" and Spidey's "I must surrender to the badass-ness of Wolverine" jobbing techniques do not apply in this case. In this hypothetical match, both well-written and such, and not forgetting their powers/abilities/skills/techniques...Spider-Man stomps Wolverine.

srankmissingnin VP of Comic Knowledge

Originally posted by Metalmanx
In his comic-lifetime, Spidey has been fighting crime for about 20+ years now. And it wasn't just thugs. For 20+ years, he's been fighting super-powered villians. Villians that he's had to adapt to again and again each time they fight. Villians that would tear Wolverine apart (Venom, Carnage, Morlun, etc.). And yet, he comes out victorious everytime. Because not only is he a scientific genius, over the years he's become a combat genius as well. Spider-Man is the most resourceful superhero there is, in my opinion. He knows he has to and does adapt to each and every fight like it's the first time. He doesn't just jump "around like a jack rabit on crack". He uses his powers efficiently to attack his opponents from all different angles, hardly ever using the exact same move twice. Which makes him pretty much completely unpredictable, which has proven to be one of his trademark abilities. He's the best at figuring out his opponent on the fly. In the case against Wolverine, even a moderately-well-written Spider-Man would realize, "Hey, punching him in the face isn't working. I think I'll punch him elsewhere now. Perhaps even web him. Since, you know, I have that ability and all when my writer allows me to remember all of my powers/abilities/skills/techniques." Spidey has fought people up close in melee before and was still always able to use his webbing. The proximity to his opponent means absolutely nothing. It's not like it takes him days to shoot his webbing, it's all in the flick of his wrist. He's done it before in countless fights. Doc Ock comes to mind (who would be much harder to do to, since Peter would have many more risks and dangers heading for him).
Basically, Wolverine's "I'm a badass which means I win" and Spidey's "I must surrender to the badass-ness of Wolverine" jobbing techniques do not apply in this case. In this hypothetical match, both well-written and such, and not forgetting their powers/abilities/skills/techniques...Spider-Man stomps Wolverine.

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I can respond to this more indepth later but I'm about to leave to go watch Superman: Returns.

Anyway I didn't say that Spider-man couldn't use his webs in melee only that it wouldn't be effective. The main reason is that, in this instance, he was already enganged in combat with Wolverine. He would have need a free arm to use his web shooters and letting up for a second would have resualted in Wolverine gaining the upper hand. Also there is the fact that the webbing isn't nearly as effective up close as it is with anysort of range. Being at range allows Spider-man the time he needs to do something note worthy with his webbing as he has the time to able a constant "stream" of web. Would he have this luxory in melee? How long could he keep the pressure applied to his web shooters? I honestly can't see him applying enough webbing to Wolverine in that situation for it to be more then a minor annoyance; certainly not enough to slow him down.

Does a well writen Spider-man beat Wolverine? Yes. Wolverine doesn't stand much of a change of beating Peter who is using his head (as I have said many, many times) but this is because Spider-man fighting smart would never allow a confrontation between them to get in to melee. If... IF the two of them did get into a melee battle Wolverine would win and it would be as much of a none fight as it would be for Spider-man fighting at range (in other words Wolverine would kick his ass hard and fast)

Metalmanx Illuminati Founder

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
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I can respond to this more indepth later but I'm about to leave to go watch Superman: Returns.
Anyway I didn't say that Spider-man couldn't use his webs in melee only that it wouldn't be effective. The main reason is that, in this instance, he was already enganged in combat with Wolverine. He would have need a free arm to use his web shooters and letting up for a second would have resualted in Wolverine gaining the upper hand. Also there is the fact that the webbing isn't nearly as effective up close as it is with anysort of range. Being at range allows Spider-man the time he needs to do something note worthy with his webbing as he has the time to able a constant "stream" of web. Would he have this luxory in melee? How long could he keep the pressure applied to his web shooters? I honestly can't see him applying enough webbing to Wolverine in that situation for it to be more then a minor annoyance; certainly not enough to slow him down.
Does a well writen Spider-man beat Wolverine? Yes. Wolverine doesn't stand much of a change of beating Peter who is using his head (as I have said many, many times) but this is because Spider-man fighting smart would never allow a confrontation between them to get in to melee. If... IF the two of them did get into a melee battle Wolverine would win and it would be as much of a none fight as it would be for Spider-man fighting at range (in other words Wolverine would kick his ass hard and fast)

I still don't agree that Spider-Man would lose in melee combat either. Sure, Wolverine is incredible at melee combat...with people in his own league. But Spider-Man is leaps and bounds away from Wolverine. If Wolverine's league is America, Spidey's is Japan. That far away.

Every move Wolvie does would be dodged with the greastest of ease. I don't get how people easily accept Spidey dodging four super-fast, super-strong tentacles at once, IN MELEE RANGE, and do just fine. But as soon as it's melee with Wolverine, it's a completele different story. Why is this?

Spidey could potentially strike Wolverine at least 3 times to everytime Wolverine tries to strike. And then there's the spider-sense, which will alert Spidey as to when and where Wolverine's attack is meant for, enabling him to dodge it with little effort.

And I'm curious. Why wouldn't even close-up webs prove to be a problem? You say that wouldn't slow Wolverine down. Has Wolverine gotten a Hulk-strength upgrade recently? Even cutting the webs will take him a few moments, drastically slowing him down. What's to stop Spidey from knocking Wolverine to the ground and webbing his arms, legs, torso, then head to the ground? It doesn't even matter where the battle takes place, the ground is constant.

I just don't understand how this is even an issue.

capt it up Senior Member

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Umm....did you just say that Spider-Man punching someone in head repeatly when it obviously doesn't work is in character...?

No I said what he did to wolverine was in character. He has done similar things to morlun and also to venom along with other characters.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
When I said that Spider-Man is a genius, I also meant that he is that in fighting

He is far from a combat genius. He does not have the fighting skill a combat mind that many other heroes have. Yes peter is smart. But he no genius when it comes to fighting.
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Originally posted by DarkCrawler
He's fought crime since he was fifteen.

So? He has barely 15 years of combat experiences.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
He has experience and has seen things that dwarfs most superheroes

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Appearances yes. Experience hell no. He has some were between 15 to 20 years experience and a lot of the time was spent in school. He is not that experienced when place next to wolverine or capt or namor and so on.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Hell, even when he started, he never used the same attack that didn't work at enemy.

Actually he did.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
As for Ennis, he makes Wolverine look like a idiot who is put down by such things like a punch to the balls when he has taken FAAAR worse hundreds of times.

Ennis is a Hack. He had punisher do even worse to spiderman.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
As for the guy who wrote the fight what I am talking about,

Don’t you know his name.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
he made Spider-Man look like a dumbass who repeats a same attack after the first time didn't work,

What are u talken about have you even read the issue? Spiderman kept the attack up because it agve wolverine in his mind no time to attack back. Also spiderman only kept up the attack for two panels u know how much time that is? That is like 5 seconds and that is not out of character for Spiderman to pummel some on for 5 seconds as fast and hard as he can.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
when he has fought FAAAR more smarter in hundreds of appearances.

He did that same shit to morlun and venom and so on.

Metalmanx Illuminati Founder

Originally posted by capt it up
He is far from a combat genius. He does not have the fighting skill a combat mind that many other heroes have. Yes peter is smart. But he no genius when it comes to fighting.
Appearances yes. Experience hell no. He has some were between 15 to 20 years experience and a lot of the time was spent in school. He is not that experienced when place next to wolverine or capt or namor and so on.
He did that same shit to morlun and venom and so on.

Spidey has 20+ years of fighting experience on his side, fighting all sorts of super-powered villians. If that doesn't equal combat brilliance (he's still here, isn't he?), then I'd like to know what does.

All of Wolverine's life wasn't spent fighting super-powered villians either. All that "combat experience" Wolverine has is punking normal humans. Armed, have martial-arts skills or not, they're still normal humans. Peter has been punking super-powered villians his whole career. Villians that would destroy Wolverine. And yet, he still comes out on top.

Really though, what else could Spider-Man have done against Morlun and Venom? They were his superiors in every aspect. He already threw every other idea he had at them. In his mind, his only chance was to try and pummel them to death. Wolverine would've fared MUCH worse against either Venom or Morlun.

capt it up Senior Member

Originally posted by Metalmanx
I still don't agree that Spider-Man would lose in melee combat either.

I agree with shrank that wolverine will defeat Spiderman in melee combat, how ever I also believe wolverine will beat Spiderman even if Spiderman uses his webbing.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Sure, Wolverine is incredible at melee combat...with people in his own league.

Last time I checked Spiderman is in his league.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
But Spider-Man is leaps and bounds away from Wolverine. If Wolverine's league is America, Spidey's is Japan. That far away.

As always your comments are not only extremely Bias, but are also just foolishly idiotic. What you are saying is that Spiderman is many leagues over wolverine which is just plain ridiculous. You may think Spiderman beats wolverine, but to say that Spiderman is many leagues above wolverine is just foolishness seeing how Spiderman has never once shown to be a league above wolverine let alone leagues above him.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Every move Wolvie does would be dodged with the greastest of ease.

You are on a roll again with these Bias remarks. Your statement is Far from the truth seeing how Spiderman has repeatedly been hit by wolverine and has shown to have difficulty dodging his attacks.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
I don't get how people easily accept Spidey dodging four super-fast, super-strong tentacles at once, IN MELEE RANGE, and do just fine.

Dodging a highly skilled fighting who has superhuman reflexes and agility is quite different then dodging robot arms that are huge and not nearly as skilled or accurate.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
But as soon as it's melee with Wolverine, it's a completele different story. Why is this?

Yes because wolverine is a highly skilled experienced fighter who has superhuman agility and reflexes not to mention senses that can work like spidersense.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Spidey could potentially strike Wolverine at least 3 times to everytime Wolverine tries to strike.

You underestimate wolverine agility and reflexes quite a bit. Spiderman is not that much faster then Wolverine which has been shown repeatedly in there fights. You act as if spiderman can hit Logan when ever he feel like it which is not a true assumption.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
And then there's the spider-sense,

Your point? Wolverine has hyper senses that can also warn him when and were spiderman will attack.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
which will alert Spidey as to when and where Wolverine's attack is meant for,

Last time I checked spidersense is only a buzz in his head it does not tell him were the attack will be it merely tells him there is going to be an attack.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
enabling him to dodge it with little effort.

Here another Bias claim you have made. Spiderman can not dodge wolverine with little effort seeing how he has been hit and all by Logan.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
And I'm curious. Why wouldn't even close-up webs prove to be a problem?

He will not have time to use his webbing correctly because he will be so hard pressed to dodge and if he attempted to sue the webbing he could leave him self quite vulnerable.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
You say that wouldn't slow Wolverine down. Has Wolverine gotten a Hulk-strength upgrade recently?

Why would he need hulk strength? He can simply cut the webbing well before it hits him or simply dodge it.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Even cutting the webs will take him a few moments, drastically slowing him down

No it really would not slow him down since wolverine can easiliy dodge the webbing and like I stared spiderman would leave him self vulnerable to attack if he tried. Also Logan could cut the webbing well running and it would never even touch his body.

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Originally posted by Metalmanx
What's to stop Spidey from knocking Wolverine to the ground and webbing his arms, legs, torso, then head to the ground? It doesn't even matter where the battle takes place, the ground is constant.

How spiderman going to nock wolverine to the ground? Wolverine can take his Best shots and not fall or even be stunned for that matter. Spiderman’s odds of knocking wolverine to the ground is bad and even worse are the odds that wolverine would be on the ground long enough to get webbed. You also are for getting that when spiderman attacked wolverine he would leave him self open to an attack which could prove to be a fatal mistake.

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Originally posted by Metalmanx
I just don't understand how this is even an issue.

The reason you don’t under stand why this is an issue is because you terribly underestimate wolverines abilities.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Spidey has 20+ years of fighting experience on his side, fighting all sorts of super-powered villians.

Are you trying to tell me that spiderman is 35+ years old? Spiderman is most certainly not 35 ore more years old.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
If that doesn't equal combat brilliance (he's still here, isn't he?), then I'd like to know what does.

Why would that equal combat brilliance? He does not even have 20 years of experience. He also has far less experience then many other superhero such as thing ,wolverine,Capt and so on. You also forget to mention he spent many of those years in school.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
All of Wolverine's life wasn't spent fighting super-powered villians either.

That’s true many of those years were wolverine fighting killer assassins, super soldier, fighting countless battles for many different wars, training with a village of assassin ninjas, training with ogun, doing special ops missions and ect.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
All that "combat experience" Wolverine has is punking normal humans

. Man you clearly don’t read wolverine comics. Did you just say all of wolverine experiences comes from fighting normal humans? Just WOW.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Armed, have martial-arts skills or not, they're still normal humans.

Really now? So what do you call wolverine battling cyber or sabertooth before spiderman was even born. How about wolverine training with Ogun and fighting Ogun who by the way is far from being normal human. How about the fact that wolverine was working for department H which is a super hero response team before spiderman was even spiderman. To say that all of Wolverines experience is from Normal humans is just wrong. Those examples I gave are only a few by the way.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Peter has been punking super-powered villians his whole career.

His experience is still dwarfed by Logans. Also I would like to mention that spiderman does not always fight super villains he spend quite a bit of time with normal thugs.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Villians that would destroy Wolverine.

Really? Like who? You mean venom? Who wolverine has already defeated.

capt it up Senior Member

QUOTE=6794160]Originally posted by Metalmanx
And yet, he still comes out on top. [/QUOTE]
Through plot devices and such. Also I still am wondering who destroy Logan again that is a Spiderman villain because I know plenty of Wolverine villains that would defeat SPIDERMAN.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Really though, what else could Spider-Man have done against Morlun and Venom?

Nuthing just like he could do nothing at that point to wolverine.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
They were his superiors in every aspect.

In ever aspect? Are you sure about that? Morlun is most certainly no more agile and most certainly does not have Spiderman like reflexes.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
He already threw every other idea he had at them.

He really didn’t though.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
In his mind, his only chance was to try and pummel them to death.

Same thing he tried vs Logan as well because in his mind he had no other way.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Wolverine would've fared MUCH worse against either Venom or Morlun.

Seeing how wolverine has already defeated venom…………

Wolverine would fair so much better then spiderman. Spiderman did not have the durability nor the stamina that wolverine has which would aid wolverine extremely well in a match vs. Morlun. Not to mention Spiderman first fight with Morlun he had no real means to hurt Morlun that how ever is not true pf Wolverine. Wolverine could claw the shit out of Morlun.

Soleran Fast As Time

Damnit I jacked that up, I will repost it later.

DarkCrawler KABOOOOM!!

Nuthing just like he could do nothing at that point to wolverine.

So he could not had A) Web him B) Hit him in somewhere else then the hardest part on his body? Such as stomach where there is NO ADAMANTIUM? Spider-Man could just put his fist through it and rip his heart out if he truly would be out to kill him.

capt it up Senior Member

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
So he could not had A) Web him B) Hit him in somewhere else then the hardest part on his body? Such as stomach where there is NO ADAMANTIUM? Spider-Man could just put his fist through it and rip his heart out if he truly would be out to kill him.

again spiderman not a martial artist and he no a skilled fighter. he aimed for the face which of course he did not know that wolverine had an adamamtium skull. Also spiderman only pounded on wolverine head for around 9 seconds if that.

Spiderman can not punch his fist through wolverines chest and ripp out his heart. it no gunna happen. he can't do it and based on comic evidences.

A.J Restricted

And now he knows and kicks the crap out of him

capt it up Senior Member

Originally posted by A.J
And now he knows and kicks the crap out of him

😆 thats funny. Spiderman has foughten wolverien after he found out about the adamatium and fared no better

Broly92 Bow to Amc or else?

Wolverine wins 5.3/10

Soleran Fast As Time

Originally posted by capt it up
again spiderman not a martial artist and he no a skilled fighter. he aimed for the face which of course he did not know that wolverine had an adamamtium skull. Also spiderman only pounded on wolverine head for around 9 seconds if that.
Spiderman can not punch his fist through wolverines chest and ripp out his heart. it no gunna happen. he can't do it and based on comic evidences.

Spiderman is a martial artist, he is a fighter and he does have skillz, for real. The fights with Spiderman and Wolverine being used as reference have no inherent value to the forum rules and the fight.

They already would have a basic knowledge of each others powers, he would know about the metal in his skeleton. Also DC said he could rip out his heart by punching up from his stomach to his chest cavity, easy for the Spiderman....................

srankmissingnin VP of Comic Knowledge

Originally posted by Metalmanx
I still don't agree that Spider-Man would lose in melee combat either. Sure, Wolverine is incredible at melee combat...with people in his own league. But Spider-Man is leaps and bounds away from Wolverine. If Wolverine's league is America, Spidey's is Japan. That far away.
Every move Wolvie does would be dodged with the greastest of ease. I don't get how people easily accept Spidey dodging four super-fast, super-strong tentacles at once, IN MELEE RANGE, and do just fine. But as soon as it's melee with Wolverine, it's a completele different story. Why is this?
Spidey could potentially strike Wolverine at least 3 times to everytime Wolverine tries to strike. And then there's the spider-sense, which will alert Spidey as to when and where Wolverine's attack is meant for, enabling him to dodge it with little effort.
And I'm curious. Why wouldn't even close-up webs prove to be a problem? You say that wouldn't slow Wolverine down. Has Wolverine gotten a Hulk-strength upgrade recently? Even cutting the webs will take him a few moments, drastically slowing him down. What's to stop Spidey from knocking Wolverine to the ground and webbing his arms, legs, torso, then head to the ground? It doesn't even matter where the battle takes place, the ground is constant.
I just don't understand how this is even an issue.

Do you really not under stand why webbing isn't useful up close in melee combat 'cause I thought my point was pretty clear. I'll do my best to straighten it out further though. Okay - imagine I'm spraying you with a can of silly string. Now the longer I spray you more silly string is going to be on you but in order to do this I need to keep my finger on the "trigger" and apply a constant stream of string. Spider-man with a decent range can get enough webbing on a person to bind them and slow their movement before the can into melee range with him. If he tried to do this in melee he wouldn't have enough time to apply enough webbing before his opponent moved, slapped his had out of the way or a opted for a variety of other options. For webbing to be effective in a melee range it would require one to believe that Spider-man's opponent isn't fronting any sort of defence. When fighting some one with superhuman speed, reflexes and amazing fighting skill like Wolverine in melee combat Spider-man's webbing will do little more the leave an annoying glob of webbing in the initial area he targeted.

As much as Spider-man fans hate to admit it Wolverine (and Captain America, and Daredevil and Black Panther etc) are all well in the same speed class as Spider-man. While me may be faster the speed difference is so minuscule that it brings nothing to the table. At the end of the day they all have speed feats on par with each other and their is nothing to suggest that Spider-man is so much faster that he can avoid their attacks with ease (in fact the evidence is weighed heavly to support the opposite). The only "argument" - and I use the word loosely - that is mounted being that Spider-man is superhuman therefor he must be faster then these characters... dispite the fact that hey all share the same speed feats, all have proven the have (at the very least) some degree of superspeed and have all on more then one occasion exchanged blows with each other. So why is Spider-man so much faster then Wolverine?

As for Spider-man haveing villains that would beat Wolverine. Oh, I wonder if Wolverine has enemies that could beat Spider-man handedly? How about Mauvias? You remember him? You know the guy who had ever power Murlon had PLUS telekinesis, mind control, energy blasts, teleportation and the ability to resurrect the dead. Or maybe Omega Red. Or how about Sabretooth. Every villain Spider-man has that could beat Wolverine would (and do) kick Spider-man's ass until he wins via a handy plot device.

capt it up Senior Member

Originally posted by Soleran
Spiderman is a martial artist, he is a fighter and he does have skillz, for real. The fights with Spiderman and Wolverine being used as reference have no inherent value to the forum rules and the fight.
They already would have a basic knowledge of each others powers, he would know about the metal in his skeleton. Also DC said he could rip out his heart by punching up from his stomach to his chest cavity, easy for the Spiderman....................

no spidermna not a martial artist he how ever is a fighter with experience, but not skilled fighter in any senses. With out his powers peter is nuthing.

Spiderman can't punch through wolverines chest. based on comics evdiences that straight up impossable

DarkCrawler KABOOOOM!!

Originally posted by capt it up
again spiderman not a martial artist and he no a skilled fighter. he aimed for the face which of course he did not know that wolverine had an adamamtium skull. Also spiderman only pounded on wolverine head for around 9 seconds if that.
Spiderman can not punch his fist through wolverines chest and ripp out his heart. it no gunna happen. he can't do it and based on comic evidences.

Captain America to Spider-Man, New Avengers #3: "Every time I fight beside you, I am impressed."

Sure, he is not a skilled fighter...he's only fought crime continually for like...twenty years without a pause. He is a skilled fighter, a self-taught one, yes, but a skilled one nonetheless. It is simply a fact. He's developed his own fighting style to work with his powers.

And Spider-Man has punched through harder things then Wolverine's stomach, which can be easily be passed by things like knives. Spider-Man punches steel doors off their hinges. Punches through cars. That's your comic evidence right there.