Wolverine vs. Spider-Man

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Acrosurge Lumine Infinitus

Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W
I'm all for Spidey and him being way faster then Wolverine, but he had the black suit on in that which amped his speed and agility.
Uh, the Symbiote never enhanced Spider-Man's speed or agility. That misconception originates from the 90's cartoon (which people mistakenly integrate into the comic canon). The only thing the suit from the comics added to Spidey was organic webs and limited shape-changing abilities.

Metalmanx Illuminati Founder

Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W
You don't have to go by that scan.

Spider-Man's speed, agility and reaction time was upgraded during the Other.

Yea, I know. I read all of The Other. Now Spidey just beats Wolverine even easier.

Metalmanx Illuminati Founder
Originally posted by Acrosurge
Uh, the Symbiote never enhanced Spider-Man's speed or agility. That misconception originates from the 90's cartoon (which people mistakenly integrate into the comic canon). The only thing the suit from the comics added to Spidey was organic webs and limited shape-changing abilities.

I thought even in the comics it did enhance him physically? Made him all around better I thought? Ya know, just at the cost of the symbiote taking over.

I could be wrong, but I thought that it actually did positively augment his physical attributes, as well as give him organic webbign and the limited shape-shifting abilities as well.

Metalmanx Illuminati Founder

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
No .... 😕

Have you read it ? 🙂

I haven't personally read it, no. But I did read a lot about it and such. I believe that is the same one where Daredevil put Wolverine down easily. Perhaps I am mistaking it for another story arc? If I am, then my apologies.

Acrosurge Lumine Infinitus

Originally posted by Metalmanx
I thought even in the comics it did enhance him physically? Made him all around better I thought? Ya know, just at the cost of the symbiote taking over.

I could be wrong, but I thought that it actually did positively augment his physical attributes, as well as give him organic webbign and the limited shape-shifting abilities as well.

Nope. There's some evidence pointing to the idea that the Symbiote fed Spidey's adrenaline for its own purposes, but no evidence that it actually enchanced any of Peter's powers; nothing he couldn't have done on his own, with the exception of the shape-changing and organic webs.

Metalmanx Illuminati Founder
Originally posted by Acrosurge
Nope. There's some evidence pointing to the idea that the Symbiote fed Spidey's adrenaline for its own purposes, but no evidence that it actually enchanced any of Peter's powers; nothing he couldn't have done on his own, with the exception of the shape-changing and organic webs.

Ah, well then. That's cool. Actually helps my argument anyway.

Spidey wins 8-9/10.

zbucsz Pimp

spider-man would win this 8/10 im give 2 to logan just cuz if hit hits him wit his claws

who?-kid Senior Member

Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W
I'm all for Spidey and him being way faster then Wolverine, but he had the black suit on in that which amped his speed and agility.

Nope. His three most famous speed blitzes with the black costume (against Firelord, Rhino and Absorbing Man) were entirely under his own power. His suit didn't increase his strength or agility or speed in the least.

Don't forget he wore that costume for a VERY short time. Firelord speed blitz, Absorbing Man speed blitz, Rhino speed blitz... all these fights took place after the symbiote story line.

Pic of SM owning Rhino :

Sparkz Senior Member

Besides the symbiote only enhanced his stats in the cartoon, not the comics, the comics gave him unlimited webbing and the ability to make any form of clothing.

Dinalfos Lord Caco

His webbing was not exactly unlimited, but as long as Spiderman didn't overly tax the suit, everything was just fine.

Sparkz Senior Member
Originally posted by Dinalfos
His webbing was not exactly unlimited, but as long as Spiderman didn't overly tax the suit, everything was just fine.

True, but he never ran out, I suppose veom ran out of webbing once so yeah it's not unlimited, what I should have said was, the suit generates its own webbing.

ST0RM SHAD0W ...
Originally posted by Acrosurge
Uh, the Symbiote never enhanced Spider-Man's speed or agility. That misconception originates from the 90's cartoon (which people mistakenly integrate into the comic canon). The only thing the suit from the comics added to Spidey was organic webs and limited shape-changing abilities.

Yeah you're right, but I wasn't thinking of the 90's cartoon though......

I was thinking about how Venom is stronger then him, but I forgot that the reason for that was because he had Spider-Man's strength on top of being peak human in strength.

capt it up Senior Member

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Take away Spidey's powers, and he'd probably still punk any common thug. He's been fighting close to his whole life, he won't be left COMPLETELY powerless without his abilities.

If the thug had a weapon peter would more then likely lose. Peter fighting all came from his powers with out powers he may be experienced in fighting, but he is not skilled and his fighting style he always used would be useless.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Why is this impossibile to do?

Because comic evidence of wolverine being hit by blunt forces such as punches have yet to go through him.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Just because no one else has done it to Wolvie,

No one else who is far stronger then spiderman.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
doesn't make it impossible.

I pretty much does actually.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Wolverine is very much able to be impaled, greater durability included.

Yes he can be impaled by edged weapons not by punches. Comic evidences proves this statement of mine to be true.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
And Spidey produces more than enough power to punch through his stomach. Once there, he just reaches up and grabs his heart. Ouchies.

Again based on comic evidence he is not possibly strong enough when others far superior in strength to Spiderman have failed. Going by your logic wolverine would also be able to punch a whole clearly through spiderman.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
But honestly, it doesn't really matter. Spidey can beat him without having to kill him. Which really is what I've been arguing pretty much the whole time.

Spiderman can not kill wolverine. He really has no way of killing a guy of wolverine healing with out wolverine allow him to do so. [/B][/QUOTE]

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Oh God. Another argument for his healing factor being able to instantly heal him like that. Okay. Wolverine heals very quickly.] We know this. But it also takes more time depending on the severity of the wound.

The only reason it takes longer the more sever the wound is, because the wound is larger and damages organs which are far more complex then a simple cut. Still the wounds take no time at all to heal matter of seconds even the most sever wounds.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
He heals bullet wounds quickly.

That’s an understatement

Originally posted by Metalmanx
He will not, however, be able to heal an arm through his torso in any sort of quick speed, especially with the arm still there and still causing damage.

Spiderman first off can not punch wolverine through his torso period. Also you said wolverine could not heal an arm in his body in any sort of quick speed? Would you like to go on record with that statement? Wolverine in thunderbolts #4 enemy of the states tie-in heal a sword through his torso instantly even when the sword was still in his torso his body had healed around it

Originally posted by Metalmanx
It hasn't happened because no one has tried to do so to Wolverine with their bare hands.

This statement is not true at all. You are merely a assuming no one has try merely because it has never been done,

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Everytime a powerhouse hits him, they aren't aiming to punch through Wolverine (using a broad fist and all), but punch him away, send him flying.

Now you are purely speculating with no proof what so ever. You are merely saying all p[power houses only mean to make wolverine fly away? That makes not sense what so ever seeing how many of the power houses he fights are trying to killing him.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
If they wanted to, any of the powerhouses could punch through Wolverine if they open their fist into a more piercing shape. Think about it, it's pretty easy to comprehend.

Too date no one has been able to do such a thing, so comic evidence shows that this is not possible. By the way issue # 123 wolverine was chained up and repeatedly hit in the gut by rough-house who was not holding back what so ever. Rough-House was trying to kill Logan and rough-house is many times stronger then spiderman.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
And where did you get this whole head-crushing idea from?

Based on your Logic wolverine would beable to crush spidermans head with a single attack.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
The reason Spidey can punch a whole through is because he is far stronger than Wolvie.

What you just said makes absolutely no senses. Being stronger then another person does not in any way means your more durable.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
1-2 tons (at the max)<<<<<<<<<<<<15-20 tons.

Again what does strength have to do with durability?
Logan durability>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Spidermans

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Spidey has taken harder hits to the head without his head exploding.

That makes no differences according to your logic. You are saying Logan could have his stomach punched through by Spiderman, yet wolverine has been punch in the stomach by opponents far stronger then Spiderman. So according to our logic wolverine could crush spidermans head.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
When Punisher blew Wolvie's face off with a shotgun, how come it didn't start healing immediately?For the next several panels, he was still a faceless being. That's just one example.

That is an extremely shitty example. Your using an author who had punisher put Spiderman in a head lock as creditable evidence? Also that was pre two massive healing up grades and that is far from to day’s wolverine.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
When he was blasted by a Sentinel, how come his body was not immediately regenerating itself so that he wasn't incinerated (which, well, he was)?

Now you’re trying to use alternate reality as evidence? That reality not only sucked, but it is also far from 616 realities and is un useable info.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
He'd never let it come to that though. Spidey also has superhuman endurance and can fight Wolverine as long as he has to (as shown by his fight with Morlun).

Have u even read the morlun run? Spiderman had to run and rest and he was not even able to fight a whole day. Wolverine stamina>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Spiderman
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Spidey's determination and will to live is unsurpassed.

What are you freaken talking about? Unsurpassed my ass. Wolverine determination triumphs Spiderman. His will to live also triumphs Spiderman.

ST0RM SHAD0W ...

Originally posted by who?-kid
Don't forget he wore that costume for a VERY short time. Firelord speed blitz, Absorbing Man speed blitz, Rhino speed blitz... all these fights took place after the symbiote story line.

Pic of SM owning Rhino :

No, the Firelord fight in issue 270 was within the time frame of him wearing the symbiote suit.

If someone gives the exact issue numbers for the Rhino and Absorbing Man fights then I'll be able to say if they were or not.

That story line went for nearly 50 issues thats not a VERY short time...

capt it up Senior Member

Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W
No, the Firelord fight in issue 270 was within the time frame of him wearing the symbiote suit.

If someone gives the exact issue numbers for the Rhino and Absorbing Man fights then I'll be able to say if they were or not.

That story line went for nearly 50 issues thats not a VERY short time...


rhino is a joke so who cares.

fire lord fight is unusable info stated under the rules.

who?-kid Senior Member

Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W
No, the Firelord fight in issue 270 was within the time frame of him wearing the symbiote suit.

If someone gives the exact issue numbers for the Rhino and Absorbing Man fights then I'll be able to say if they were or not.

That story line went for nearly 50 issues thats not a VERY short time...


You're wrong, he didn't wear that suit that long, but okay, even if he did, I'm (almost) one 100 pct. certain he didn't wear his symbiote costume while beating up Firelord, Rhino and Absorbing Man.

It was just a black costume.

Sparkz Senior Member

Spider-man vs Rhino was definatly a normal costume, I have a trade paper back called Spider-man and sliver sable, and at the start of the comic Spidey is wearing his red and blue suit then decides to wear his black 1 instead, and all the issues are in order so he defintaly isn't wearing the symbiote for that story, I am unsure about the others.

ST0RM SHAD0W ...
Originally posted by capt it up
Too date no one has been able to do such a thing, so comic evidence shows that this is not possible. By the way issue # 123 wolverine was chained up and repeatedly hit in the gut by rough-house who was not holding back what so ever. Rough-House was trying to kill Logan and rough-house is many times stronger then spiderman.

Where did you here that from?

I know you didn't read it.

This is why I'm glad I have a full run of Wolverine.

Rough-House wasn't trying to kill him when he was chained up, all they were doing was just beating him for the sake of beating him.

Guess what, they he didn't even punch him once in the gut, they were all head shoots and one guy clawed his face.

Rough House wasn't trying to kill him till after Wolverine broke free.

Also in one of Wolverine's thought boxes he says he lucky he survived at all from when he got his adamantium ripped out.

That issue was real cool though, in the end Wolverine punked Rough House into giving him self up.

Great art too.

ST0RM SHAD0W ...
Originally posted by Sparkz
Spider-man vs Rhino was definatly a normal costume, I have a trade paper back called Spider-man and sliver sable, and at the start of the comic Spidey is wearing his red and blue suit then decides to wear his black 1 instead, and all the issues are in order so he defintaly isn't wearing the symbiote for that story, I am unsure about the others.

Do you have the issue number it should say in the beinging of the tpb of what issuse it spanned.

Last week I bought the entire symbiote story line along with a many other Amazing Spider-Man books.

Sparkz Senior Member

Well most people who are stronger than Spider-man, and have fought wolverine generaly punch him in the face, so they aint gonna punch through his gut, and second even if they did most of them have hands the size of wolverines gut so they aren't going to have the pressure to punch through his gut, its more likleyt that Logan instead will be forced back.

And what does punching through someones gut have to do with cruashing spider-mans head???