Originally posted by capt it up
spidy was not holding back there not a thing to suggest he was holding back you just pissed be cuz spidy got his ass stabbed.
You can think that all you want. It's not true, but you can still think it.
I would've have even minded if Spidey had gotten stabbed after a long, well-fought match (Spidey's medical condition + Wolverine's endurance winning the match). Meaning both of them not holding back and such.
Originally posted by masterbruce
metalmanx, give it a rest. you're the biggest spiderman fanboy on a board full of them, now that's saying something.
...masterbruce, don't even try that. I don't want to get into things with you. You haven't annoyed me that much yet.
Keep it that way.
...Haha...he thinks I'm the biggest Spider-Man fanboy...that makes me laugh.
Originally posted by Sparkz
If you put it like that, thats true, except when he jumped away Logan shouldnt have gotten near him, for saying he can jump 30 ft int the air he could probbaly jump alot further sideways. IMO Wolverine shouldn't have gotten near Spidey when he jumped cause there is noway he can jump as far or fast as Spidey, not to mention he had to get out of the webbing aswell.I suppose the fact that Pete didn't jump very far is evidence he was holding back, as he wasn't putting alot of strength into it...(crap excuse? maybe but its the best i got)
I love you spidey fanboys and your great double standard.
WHen spiderman webbed up logan while logan wasn't looking, you guys paraded that fact around to demonstrate spiderman's superiority while not addressing the fact that Wolverine wasn't even trying to take out spiderman.
Now that we see wolverine OWN spiderman, the flood of excuses come out. Oh, it's poor writing and the writers are dumb biased wolvie fanboys...oh, wolverine cant jump that far....oh, spiderman must've been holding back,etc etc
Originally posted by masterbruce
I love you spidey fanboys and your great double standard.WHen spiderman webbed up logan while logan wasn't looking, you guys paraded that fact around to demonstrate spiderman's superiority while not addressing the fact that Wolverine wasn't even trying to take out spiderman.
Now that we see wolverine OWN spiderman, the flood of excuses come out. Oh, it's poor writing and the writers are dumb biased wolvie fanboys...oh, wolverine cant jump that far....oh, spiderman must've been holding back,etc etc
Why are you going around calling everyone that supports Spider-man a fanboy?
For one thing I didn't even mention the webbing up of Logan, which btw Logan was looking he even threatened Spider-man, maybe it was an empty threat, but it was a threat none the less so he must have expected some sort of retaliation.
Originally posted by masterbruce
I love you spidey fanboys and your great double standard.WHen spiderman webbed up logan while logan wasn't looking, you guys paraded that fact around to demonstrate spiderman's superiority while not addressing the fact that Wolverine wasn't even trying to take out spiderman.
Now that we see wolverine OWN spiderman, the flood of excuses come out. Oh, it's poor writing and the writers are dumb biased wolvie fanboys...oh, wolverine cant jump that far....oh, spiderman must've been holding back,etc etc
You're absolutely right. The elk must be more powerful than even I imagined...
Where were Wolverine's SUPERHUMAN REFLEXES/SPEED/AGILITY when The Elk decided to kick him? It honestly doesn't matter if it hurt him or not. I'm sure he didn't WANT to get kicked, did he? 😑
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Peter COULD'VE done so many other things. Like:
Web-zipping elsewhere: How fast to you think a web line travels? It would need to go from his writes to a wall and then he would need to yank himself away.
Webbing up the approaching Wolverine: He was trying that. Seriously how fast do you think this webbing moves? He needs to apply a constant spray to get enough web on Wolverine to incapacitate him
Swatting him away: Wolverine has the reach advantage and his combat speed is insane.
Kicking Wolverine before the claws even reached his but: Then he would have lost a leg instead of getting stabbed in the gut.
Double-fist hammer Wolvie down to the ground: What he should have tried to do. He would have still have had to trade that hit for the stab to the gut.
Originally posted by capt it upa sparring session is not a fight it may look like one but it's not also not saying wolverine cant stab spidy but he cant do it easily nothing is going to come to wolverine easily if they were to fight seriously without concern of the other's health neither one of them have fought eachother all out dispite apperances they both know in the end they're on the same side so why cripple/kill another good guy? not to mention spider-man was also dying during that period of time
a fights a fight a sparring sessions is a fight and it hardly matter becuase the whole point of the fight shows that logan can stabb spidy easily.
Originally posted by lando005
a sparring session is not a fight it may look like one but it's not also not saying wolverine cant stab spidy but he cant do it easily nothing is going to come to wolverine easily if they were to fight seriously without concern of the other's health neither one of them have fought eachother all out dispite apperances they both know in the end they're on the same side so why cripple/kill another good guy? not to mention spider-man was also dying during that period of time
His death hadn't started effecting him at that point had it? Unless it was the fact he passed out from lack of blood so quickly but still.
Originally posted by Sparkz
If you put it like that, thats true, except when he jumped away Logan shouldnt have gotten near him, for saying he can jump 30 ft int the air he could probbaly jump alot further sideways. IMO Wolverine shouldn't have gotten near Spidey when he jumped cause there is noway he can jump as far or fast as Spidey, not to mention he had to get out of the webbing aswell.I suppose the fact that Pete didn't jump very far is evidence he was holding back, as he wasn't putting alot of strength into it...(crap excuse? maybe but its the best i got)
After Spider-man was stabbed it shows both Wolverine and Spider-man (next issue mind you) almost in the middle of the room. A good 20-40 feet away from the wall Spider-man has leaped of after web lining Wolverine.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
After Spider-man was stabbed it shows both Wolverine and Spider-man (next issue mind you) almost in the middle of the room. A good 20-40 feet away from the wall Spider-man has leaped of after web lining Wolverine.
True, but Spider-man still should have been able to out jump Logan especialy after he jumped afterwards meaning Logan would land before him...
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Web-zipping elsewhere: How fast to you think a web line travels? It would need to go from his writes to a wall and then he would need to yank himself away.Webbing up the approaching Wolverine: He was trying that. Seriously how fast do you think this webbing moves? He needs to apply a constant spray to get enough web on Wolverine to incapacitate him
Swatting him away: Wolverine has the reach advantage and his combat speed is insane.
Kicking Wolverine before the claws even reached his but: Then he would have lost a leg instead of getting stabbed in the gut.
Double-fist hammer Wolvie down to the ground: What he should have tried to do. He would have still have had to trade that hit for the stab to the gut.
He was trying to web the approaching Wolverine? Could've fooled me. And I never said he to completely incapacitate him. Just either slow him down/blind him/make his closest set of claws useless.
How fast do I think his webbing moves? Pretty fast.
http://img508.imageshack.us/my.php?image=38238lt.gif
Swatting him away would've been a very simple thing involving both hands. One to simply guide the clawed hand away from his body (seriously, a push at the wrist would've deflected the attack) and the other hand to bat Wolverine away.
It really all depends on how he kicked him. He could've kicked between his arms into his face before the claws reached him (since his leg is longer than Wolverine's arms including claws) and contorted his body even a little bit to avoid the claws. A back-flip kick would work well. Something he CAN do while in mid-air as well.
And the double-fist (hell, even one fist) would've worked the best. That way, he contorts his body out of the way and also knocks Wolverine away from him. I don't see how he would've still been stabbed.
Originally posted by Sparkz
His death hadn't started effecting him at that point had it? Unless it was the fact he passed out from lack of blood so quickly but still.
It already had. That's why he was so weak after the stabbing and loss of blood. He was already being affected by his medical condition.
Originally posted by Sparkz
True, but Spider-man still should have been able to out jump Logan especialy after he jumped afterwards meaning Logan would land before him...
True but he was already in the air when Wolverine ripped the webbing from the wall. Once Wolverine made his move Spider-man was at the mercy of gravity and I doubt he could of launched a web line in time to swing out of the way. Spider-man didn't plan a head very well, I think he expected Wolverine to be webbed to wall longer then he was and he unknowingly put him self at a disadvantage. Things like this are the reason Spider-man should stay grounded... but he isn't a smart enough fighter to realise his speed is more effective on the ground.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
You're absolutely right. The elk must be more powerful than even I imagined...Where were Wolverine's SUPERHUMAN REFLEXES/SPEED/AGILITY when The Elk decided to kick him? It honestly doesn't matter if it hurt him or not. I'm sure he didn't WANT to get kicked, did he? 😑
The same place Spider-man's SUPERHUMAN REFLEXES/SPEED/AGILITY went when Fancy Dan decided to kick him? Which do you think is faster? an Elk or the *gasp* Judo master Fancy Dan?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/sinister_samurai/AmazingSpider-Manv2028AmazingSpider.jpg
Originally posted by capt it upI just meant in general with the forum modifiers they fight differently, otherwise noone would be using the "Speedblitz" argument so much...
don't see why not since that how he shown to fight repeatedly in comics.the whole piont of me showning the scanns was to prove I do not lie
You do agree that he doesn't fight like that here, despite comic showings?
I don't think you're a liar. 😉
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
The same place Spider-man's SUPERHUMAN REFLEXES/SPEED/AGILITY went when Fancy Dan decided to kick him? Which do you think is faster? an Elk or the *gasp* Judo master Fancy Dan?http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/sinister_samurai/AmazingSpider-Manv2028AmazingSpider.jpg
My point exactly.
However, in Peter's defense, wasn't that one of his very first appearances back in the 60s? (Obviously re-told, thus the new art).
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
True but he was already in the air when Wolverine ripped the webbing from the wall. Once Wolverine made his move Spider-man was at the mercy of gravity and I doubt he could of launched a web line in time to swing out of the way. Spider-man didn't plan a head very well, I think he expected Wolverine to be webbed to wall longer then he was and he unknowingly put him self at a disadvantage. Things like this are the reason Spider-man should stay grounded... but he isn't a smart enough fighter to realise his speed is more effective on the ground.
I suppose you could say Spidey was still landing when he webbed wolverine to the wall, instead of trying to jump out the way (this would also be a very good reason to why Wolverine nailed him so easily) and the fact they were in the middle of the room in the next issue was just a artist error. (But I still can't get over the fact that Wolverine ws able to rip the webbing off the wall with his strength alone, that above all just bugs me erm no pun inteneded...but it turned out well.)
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
The same place Spider-man's SUPERHUMAN REFLEXES/SPEED/AGILITY went when Fancy Dan decided to kick him? Which do you think is faster? an Elk or the *gasp* Judo master Fancy Dan?http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/sinister_samurai/AmazingSpider-Manv2028AmazingSpider.jpg
Wasn't that a fight where MJ's psychic kidnapper kidnapper was slowing Spider-man down and stopped him fighting to his full potential?, I think he even mentioned something like "why are the enfocers giving me this much trouble"
