Wolverine vs. Spider-Man

Originally posted by Sparkz
I suppose you could say Spidey was still landing when he webbed wolverine to the wall, instead of trying to jump out the way (this would also be a very good reason to why Wolverine nailed him so easily) and the fact they were in the middle of the room in the next issue was just a artist error. (But I still can't get over the fact that Wolverine ws able to rip the webbing off the wall with his strength alone, that above all just bugs me erm no pun inteneded...but it turned out well.)

Why does that bug yyou so much? Spiderman's webbing was never portrayed to be some ultrapowerful substance, most of his foes are able to break free of it rather easily or else he could just webb up people at will. It's unfortunate that alot of folks on this board make it seem like his web is made of adamantium or something just as crazy. Wolverine SHOULD be able to easily break free of his webbing.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
My point exactly.

However, in Peter's defense, wasn't that one of his very first appearances back in the 60s? (Obviously re-told, thus the new art).

Nope that is the latest appearance (and only apearance since the 60's/70's if I'm not mistaken) of Fancy Dan, Ox and Montana and not a re-imaging.

Originally posted by Sparkz
Wasn't that a fight where MJ's psychic kidnapper kidnapper was slowing Spider-man down and stopped him fighting to his full potential?, I think he even mentioned something like "why are the enfocers giving me this much trouble"

yes, of course, the great spiderman always has an excuse.

Originally posted by Sparkz
I suppose you could say Spidey was still landing when he webbed wolverine to the wall, instead of trying to jump out the way (this would also be a very good reason to why Wolverine nailed him so easily) and the fact they were in the middle of the room in the next issue was just a artist error. (But I still can't get over the fact that Wolverine ws able to rip the webbing off the wall with his strength alone, that above all just bugs me erm no pun inteneded...but it turned out well.)

But Spider-man's organic webbing is a far cry from his fabricated web cartridges. It hasn't been shown to have near the tensile strength has the former and it has far to much give.

Originally posted by masterbruce
Why does that bug yyou so much? Spiderman's webbing was never portrayed to be some ultrapowerful substance, most of his foes are able to break free of it rather easily or else he could just webb up people at will. It's unfortunate that alot of folks on this board make it seem like his web is made of adamantium or something just as crazy. Wolverine SHOULD be able to easily break free of his webbing.

Because Spider-man can't even break out of his own webbing when layerd like that, you have to be about class 20-25 to be able to break out with pure physical force.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
But Spider-man's organic webbing is a far cry from his fabricated web cartridges. It hasn't been shown to have near the tensile strength has the former and it has far to much give.

True, but it should still be strong enough to hold Logan, I haven't seen a writer yet who has changed the strength of his webbing, just because it hasn't shown the same strength dosn't mean its there, I mean his webbing even when he still had webshooters was never used for high strength feats, so it may be a while before we see one from the organic variaty.

Originally posted by masterbruce
Why does that bug yyou so much? Spiderman's webbing was never portrayed to be some ultrapowerful substance, most of his foes are able to break free of it rather easily or else he could just webb up people at will. It's unfortunate that alot of folks on this board make it seem like his web is made of adamantium or something just as crazy. Wolverine SHOULD be able to easily break free of his webbing.

Sigh.

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Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Nope that is the latest appearance (and only apearance since the 60's/70's if I'm not mistaken) of Fancy Dan, Ox and Montana and not a re-imaging.

Really? What comic is that? They haven't appeared since the 60s (like you said). You sure that's not a re-imaging (not calling you a liar)?

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Really? What comic is that? They haven't appeared since the 60s (like you said). You sure that's not a re-imaging (not calling you a liar)?

It was the comic just before Spidey found MJ after a psychic guy kidnapped her, (that psychic guy was also slowing spidey down a hell of alot, for example at one point his Spider-sense didn't warn him to a gunshot being fired at him while he was swining away)

and here's the quote on what he said "Jeeze!I'm getting tossed around like a raggedy Ann Doll!. I shouldnt be having this much trouble with these guys"

and even "Got to clear my head, Try to stay focused"

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Really? What comic is that? They haven't appeared since the 60s (like you said). You sure that's not a re-imaging (not calling you a liar)?

Amazing Spider-man v2 28. Sparks might be right though. I got the impression that MJ's kidnapper started controlling Spidy after the the page I posted, around when the ol' web head started to reminisce in the middle of a fight and was staring a billboard of MJ... but I could be wrong.

Originally posted by Sparkz
It was the comic just before Spidey found MJ after a psychic guy kidnapped her, (that psychic guy was also slowing spidey down a hell of alot, for example at one point his Spider-sense didn't warn him to a gunshot being fired at him while he was swining away)

and here's the quote on what he said "Jeeze!I'm getting tossed around like a raggedy Ann Doll!. I shouldnt be having this much trouble with these guys"

and even "Got to clear my head, Try to stay focused"

That makes SO MUCH more sense.

Originally posted by Sparkz
It was the comic just before Spidey found MJ after a psychic guy kidnapped her, (that psychic guy was also slowing spidey down a hell of alot, for example at one point his Spider-sense didn't warn him to a gunshot being fired at him while he was swining away)

and here's the quote on what he said "Jeeze!I'm getting tossed around like a raggedy Ann Doll!. I shouldnt be having this much trouble with these guys"

and even "Got to clear my head, Try to stay focused"

I got the impression that MJ's kidnapper saved his ass with the mind control since he was to distracted to fight with all the stuff going on in his head. The guy never talked though so it is up to interpertation I guess.

Oh, and his spider-sense did go off it is just mostly covered by his speech bubble. You can see some of the tell tall red wave lines in the bottom of the panel.

Originally posted by masterbruce
Why does that bug yyou so much? Spiderman's webbing was never portrayed to be some ultrapowerful substance, most of his foes are able to break free of it rather easily or else he could just webb up people at will. It's unfortunate that alot of folks on this board make it seem like his web is made of adamantium or something just as crazy. Wolverine SHOULD be able to easily break free of his webbing.

And if someone brings up organic webbing can someone also use either stats or feat to discredit this, Classic Spiderman relied on webbing more.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I got the impression that MJ's kidnapper saved his ass with the mind control .

I doubt that, he mind controll seemed to be making him sluggish and adding thoughts of MJ into his head.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
His webbing is 120 lb per millimeter tensile strength and could hold bridges.... so no... 😐

And if someone brings up organic webbing can someone also use either stats or feat to discredit this, Classic Spiderman relied on webbing more.

come on now, we know comics aren't very accurate scientifically. How often do we see characters who are 100 ton class easily lift things that are 10,000 tons or more?

If his webbing was really strong enough to hold bridges (which are thousands of tons) then even Venom or Thor shouldn't be able to break free.

Originally posted by Sparkz
Ok that made no sense to me sorry lol.

Yeah... has = ass lol

I remeber Spider-man was getting beat down and the guy sees it on tv and he spits what he is drinking all over the place and then he starts controling Spider-man. I got the impression he was helping him.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Yeah... has = ass lol

I remeber Spider-man was getting beat down and the guy sees it on tv and he spits what he is drinking all over the place and then he starts controling Spider-man. I got the impression he was helping him.

I get the feeling it worked both ways, when Spidey did something the guy did something but his thoughts of MJ were distracting him and messing with his head.

For example Spidey was being strengled and that guy was suffering.

Then the guy started talking to MJ's room and Spidey was guided to the billboard with Mj's picture.

Originally posted by masterbruce
come on now, we know comics aren't very accurate scientifically. How often do we see characters who are 100 ton class easily lift things that are 10,000 tons or more?

If his webbing was really strong enough to hold bridges (which are thousands of tons) then even Venom or Thor shouldn't be able to break free.

...Because class 100 is the highest classification of strength.

A guy could be able to lift 300 tons, yet still be classified as class 100.

Thor could easily break out of webbing. Class 50 and up should be able to break it with much effort, like Venom.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
...Because class 100 is the highest classification of strength.

A guy could be able to lift 300 tons, yet still be classified as class 100.

Thor could easily break out of webbing. Class 50 and up should be able to break it with much effort, like Venom.

I'd say class 20-25 afterall Doc Ock can break it with little to no effort and he ain class 50.

Originally posted by Sparkz
I get the feeling it worked both ways, when Spidey did something the guy did something but his thoughts of MJ were distracting him and messing with his head.

But the link between them wasn't constant was it? He wasn't in control of Spider-man before he started staring at the bill board of MJ was he? But yeah Spider-man's mind was else where during the fight... though shouldn't make a huge difference. The fight went down the same as his other fights with the Enforcers... except this time they had guns... which they didn't use.