Wolverine vs. Spider-Man

Originally posted by Metalmanx
You're exactly right, Sparkz. I don't hate Wolverine at all. As much as I tell them that, they won't listen though. I just prefer Wolverine of yester-year. When he wasn't facing galactic threats and healing from, essentially, nothing. Not to mention at an extremely incredible rate.

I remember when Wolverine was just a badass with martial arts skills, unbreakable skeleton and claws, and a healing factor that would just be enough to keep him alive.

I feel that his badass-ness has been lost some over the years, and that his healing factor has reached new heights of absurdity. And honestly? I wouldn't even mind it so much if it just stayed consistent. That's my #1 quip with Wolverine: consistency.

Again, I don't hate Wolverie. I just don't overrate him either. Nor do I underrate him.

Deal with what wolverine has become. I dont see you all arguing over the upgrade that spiderman got. The new suit that increase his speed and strength and he also have talons. Why arent you fussing over spiderman upgrades but when wolverine get upgrades, its a sin. Wolverine is a mutant, mutants evolve, does that fall under spiderman belt, nope. He happened to get beat to death by morlun and then ran upon some more power. Wolverine is what he is and Im glad that they boosted his healing factor up and what ever else they gave him. That alone just make me realize that you all didnt like wolverine from the beginning because almost every none character has got an upgrade. Superman changed his entire power set, blue and red superman. Spiderman got his upgrade. Hulk had celestial armor on. rogue got a power upgrade. mrs marvel got a power upgrade. Colossus strength increased but when something goes into wolverine favor its bad. 😠

Originally posted by Metalmanx
So, even though Logan had the claws sheathed, he still didn't have enough time to pop them out in time? That Spidey had his hands to his head so fast that the claws were a moot point?

Looking for a fight or not, the mere fact that Spidey probably put Logan's claws to his head so fast that they became useless should say a lot here.

I mean, I'm pretty sure Logan didn't want to be webbed up. 😬

actually.. see that's the interesting thing.. we know his claws WEREN'T a moot point, considering the fact that when the claws came out.. so did logan....

what's open to speculation and debate at this point is why logan didn't pop them when he initially got webbed.. you know while spiderman was jump flipping over him....

to that end all we have is speculation.. we know wolverine had enough time to pop them, we know he didn't, and we know that when he did he got out...

so I think it's safe to assume that either he was trying to talk down spidey (like he's done before) without resorting to a fight, or that he was a lot more jacked from the shots from that omega level mutant then he appeared.. or both
and
for those unaware an omega level mutant is higher tier on the spectrum of power output than cyclops..

times higher to be precise.

Originally posted by Soleran
Sad is your weak attempt to diffuse the illustration and captions and explanations given to explain how it's relevant.

It happened and it happened in a way that contradicts everyone's comments about Wolverine being able to cut up the webbing as fast or faster then Spiderman can shoot out.

in order for that to be demonstrated wolverine would have had to have been fighting back and his claws out.. so no that didn't demonstrate shit.

Originally posted by masterbruce
Am I the only one who thinks Metalmanx is extremely biased?

not at all.. it's a widely accepted fact that metalman will go against any wolverine or wolverine related character in a fight on the forums.. I think he's even stated logan would lose to nightwing.. 😬

Originally posted by jinzin
not at all.. it's a widely accepted fact that metalman will go against any wolverine or wolverine related character in a fight on the forums.. I think he's even stated logan would lose to nightwing.. 😬

I agree. Ya if I am not mistaken he did say Wolverine would lose to Night wing

thats why i dont pay him any attention, I dont even read his post because i noticed the same thing.

Theres one more person that never gave wolverine a win over NOBODY, I wonder who the secret person is, can we all say
Badabing I have never seen him give wolverine a win over anyone. I think that if you put jubilee vs wolverine he would vote for jubilee.

Originally posted by carver9
Theres one more person that never gave wolverine a win over NOBODY, I wonder who the secret person is, can we all say
Badabing I have never seen him give wolverine a win over anyone. I think that if you put jubilee vs wolverine he would vote for jubilee.

lol, well that's just because badabing likes to rile up wolverine fans.. he's good at what he does.

Originally posted by jinzin
not at all.. it's a widely accepted fact that metalman will go against any wolverine or wolverine related character in a fight on the forums.. I think he's even stated logan would lose to nightwing.. 😬

Was he joking when he said logan would lose to nightwing?

if he did say it (cause i only think i remember that) I don't think so.

he was however serious when he said he thought daredevil would beat sabretooth. 😬

Spiderman wins...why?Because i had a sh*t day and the first person to disagree with me gets punched in the throat 😐

😂

oh god! spidey wins! spidey wins! just don't hurt us!

Originally posted by jinzin
😂

oh god! spidey wins! spidey wins! just don't hurt us!

Damn straight.....Jinzin lives....for now...

Originally posted by jinzin
he was however serious when he said he thought daredevil would beat sabretooth. 😬

AHA, but if you take away sabertooth's is class 20 stregnth level adamantium skeleton , sharp claws, h2h skills, healing factor and enhanced senses like wolverine's, he's no match for DD 😖hifty:

Originally posted by carver9
Deal with what wolverine has become. I dont see you all arguing over the upgrade that spiderman got. The new suit that increase his speed and strength and he also have talons. Why arent you fussing over spiderman upgrades but when wolverine get upgrades, its a sin. Wolverine is a mutant, mutants evolve, does that fall under spiderman belt, nope. He happened to get beat to death by morlun and then ran upon some more power. Wolverine is what he is and Im glad that they boosted his healing factor up and what ever else they gave him. That alone just make me realize that you all didnt like wolverine from the beginning because almost every none character has got an upgrade. Superman changed his entire power set, blue and red superman. Spiderman got his upgrade. Hulk had celestial armor on. rogue got a power upgrade. mrs marvel got a power upgrade. Colossus strength increased but when something goes into wolverine favor its bad. 😠

Maybe I haven't bitched about it in this thread, but I've NEVER liked Spider-Man's new costume nor the special accessories that come with it. And the only reason I've never bitched about Spidey's upgrades is because, unlike Wolverine, Spidey has been consistent (for the most part) with his power levels. This recent upgrade is pretty much his first upgrade he's ever gotten.

If you got anything from my post at all, the thing that I am most upset about his Wolverine inconstistencies throughout his plethora of comics. If he constantly stayed at the "healing from virtually nothing" level of healing factor, then I'd have absolutely no qualms with it. It's just the fact that sometimes he survives as literally one cell, and other times a well-placed rock to the head will put him down. All within relatively the same time period.

I can't even argue the Superman one since I don't read Superman.

Didn't Ms. Marvel get enhanced through an alien procedure?

And Rogue has gone through so many different power levels it's hard to keep up with her.

And, if I'm not mistaken, Colossus has been upgraded over the years via both his normal (non-transformed) state increasing its strength and from Magneto ALTERING his body chemistry to make him stronger/more durable.

So, yea. For the most part, there have been sufficient explanations for other characters' upgrades.

You can think I hate Wolverine all you want. You'll be wrong, but you can think it all you want. 😬 'Tis a free country, afterall.

Originally posted by jinzin
actually.. see that's the interesting thing.. we know his claws WEREN'T a moot point, considering the fact that when the claws came out.. so did logan....

what's open to speculation and debate at this point is why logan didn't pop them when he initially got webbed.. you know while spiderman was jump flipping over him....

to that end all we have is speculation.. we know wolverine had enough time to pop them, we know he didn't, and we know that when he did he got out...

so I think it's safe to assume that either he was trying to talk down spidey (like he's done before) without resorting to a fight, or that he was a lot more jacked from the shots from that omega level mutant then he appeared.. or both
and
for those unaware an omega level mutant is higher tier on the spectrum of power output than cyclops..

times higher to be precise.

So you're going to use the fatigue excuse, too? I find it interesting how these kinds of arguments are only applicable in certain scenarios...

Thing is, we DON'T know if Wolverine had enough time to pop the claws. Seems to me that Spidey moved too fast for Wolverine to react in time, even too fast for him to unsheathe his claws.

Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe Wolverine DID want to be webbed up for awhile and waste even more time doing nothing. 😕

Originally posted by jinzin
not at all.. it's a widely accepted fact that metalman will go against any wolverine or wolverine related character in a fight on the forums.. I think he's even stated logan would lose to nightwing.. 😬

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When the hell did I say that? Are you thinking of someone else, because I fully believe Wolverine would mop the floor with Nightwing. I would never say otherwise. And if I did, I must've thought Nightwing was someone else. 😬

I thought better of you, jin, thought you knew me better then this. 🙁

The fact is that's not true. I have voted for Wolverine on several occasions (of which can't recall off the top of my head) on the forums. I hold no bias against Wolverine. I only try to argue my point for or against him in a rational manner from average comic showings and my own personal knowledge on the deliberated characters.

Originally posted by jinzin
all the difference...

one spin of the wrists and spidey automatically loses what little leverage he was about to have...

😂 Its funny cause you really believe that.

Originally posted by jinzin
no i don't.. what i make it sound like is that the claws give him an option of negotiating the webbing.. sorry but the fact that you're arguing that it wouldn't make a difference if the claws were out at the start of that spat is nearly: doh to me.. I mean think about it, aside from the fact that every time spiderman or venom have tried to web or bind logan up with his claws out already has failed.. you forgot to take into account that in the VERY SITUATION YOU'VE JUST REFERENCED, when wolverine's claws came out..... HE. GOT. OUT.... 😐

Ok. So why didn't he get out right away? Why stay at all if he could get out whenever he wanted? Your right about him getting out though...LOGAN. GOT. OUT. EVENTUALLY...😐

Originally posted by jinzin
So am I supposed to believe that wolverine was MORE helpless while spiderman was trying to webbing him up as opposed to when he was done?

Yup. If Wolverine could have done something to stop it he would.

Originally posted by jinzin
sorry but that doesn't make the first bit of sense.

Tell that to Logan

Originally posted by jinzin
exactly.. plus it's an arena setting not an alley way and there's no omega levels blastin the shit out of logan either.

Well with Logan's stamina and durability he really shouldn't have affected much huh? 🙄

Originally posted by jinzin
all the difference...

one spin of the wrists and spidey automatically loses what little leverage he was about to have...

😬

no i don't.. what i make it sound like is that the claws give him an option of negotiating the webbing.. sorry but the fact that you're arguing that it wouldn't make a difference if the claws were out at the start of that spat is nearly: doh to me.. I mean think about it, aside from the fact that every time spiderman or venom have tried to web or bind logan up with his claws out already has failed.. you forgot to take into account that in the VERY SITUATION YOU'VE JUST REFERENCED, when wolverine's claws came out..... HE. GOT. OUT.... 😐

So am I supposed to believe that wolverine was MORE helpless while spiderman was trying to webbing him up as opposed to when he was done?

sorry but that doesn't make the first bit of sense.

exactly.. plus it's an arena setting not an alley way and there's no omega levels blastin the shit out of logan either.

I don't believe that one spin of the wrists would stop the webbing look where the webbing hit him first what was he gonna do twist his hands and miss the webbing??

Maybe he was taken a back by the webbing and didn't think to pop his claws.

In the end there could be a few reasons why Logan got webbed up first he didn't think Spider-man would retaliate to his threats though that doesn't make much sense because he knows he is impulsive and doesn't back down from threats.

Second he was so taken aback by the fact Spidey webbed him he didn't think to pop his claws.

Third he wanted to be webbed 😕

Forth Spider-man was so fast he couldn't react.

Do any of these make sense, no they do not.

And as for Wolverine getting out, yes he managed but he didn't do it quickly, and if Spider-man had stayed he wouldn't have gotten out anyway, think about it every time Logan tried to pop his claws Spidey could just dump more webbing around his hands and if the claws were fully extended after that Logans hands would be firmly in place rendering his claws useless and he would have claws stuck in his head, with which then his healing factor would probably cause his head to heal over them and then he'd have webbing and his own face to cut out of lol

Also to your comment about the Wolverine was more helpless when he was being webbed, it is entirely possible after all Spider-man was controlling his arms and flinging him through the air webbing him up that was to be a little disorienting even to Wolverine. Actually that could be another reason while Wolverine was webbed.

But in the end I still believe that even if he had his claws out the same thing could have happened, mainly because of the range and the circumstances, but again if this was a fight things would have gone differently.