Originally posted by Jax_Jax
i'd say wolverine would take this.he has more abilities, and can take anything spidey threw at him.
one blow from wolverine, and spidey is out
someone with common sense. Good post jax. Theres nothing that spiderman could do to wolverine to put him out of the fight, it has been proven to many times.
Originally posted by carver9
Its a low end for spidey but wolverine getting hit in the throat by daredevil and gagging with a adamantium throat isnt a low end feat. Youre a trip with the hate that you have for wolverine.
Do me a favor. Touch the front of your throat. Do you feel skeleton there?
If you do, we have problems. 😕
Clearly you can't even comprehend what happened in that scene. Daredevil throat-chopped him. It has NOTHING to do with Logan's skeleton/bones. He basically severed his windpipe with that blow. There aren't any bones in the way. 😐
Nice try though.
And honestly? I haven't even used that scan as evidence before. So how about you actually do some research before you make an even bigger fool of yourself.
Originally posted by carver9
From the head all the way down to his feat everything that is connected to his skull on down has adamantium on it including his throat. That shouldnt have worked on him.
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Do you have any clue as to what a skeleton looks like? Or that there are no bones in the throat? Save for the spine and part of the brainstem (in the back), of course.
His muscles aren't adamantium. His skin is not adamantium. His hair is not adamantium. His cartilage is not adamantium.
Jeez.
I really gotta give you your points for trying. Good job, but no dice
Originally posted by carver9
Now in this scan spiderman tries to punch a wolverine that isnt paying attention but he EASILY dodges spiderman attack while lighting a cigar. Then spiderman tries to punch him again but AGAIN wolverine dodges him with ease.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=3735842
Do you know the context of this fight? Spider-Man just thinks its some guy impersonating Wolverine, not the real Logan. He doesn't even know whether this person has powers. Obviously things would be different if he knew it was Wolverine.
Originally posted by carver9
In this scan wolverine slaps the hell out of spiderman, who is faster than him but still get slapped like a little weakling and spiderman comments on how good he is. Spiderman then get a punch in, hurray.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=3735846
See above
Originally posted by carver9
Then wolverine pops his claws in spiderman face AGAIN and he could have killed him, EASILY but he decided to kick the weakling instead. Then he asked spiderman to come and get some more you bia***.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=3735849
Doubt that
Originally posted by carver9
In this scan wolverine actually just cave spiderman back in; he could have killed him in this scan again but he decided to just punch the weakling.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=3845496
In the words of the Wolverine fans, "But he wasn't even fighting. He wasn't prepared." Seriously now where's that scan from and what context is that confrontation?
Originally posted by carver9
Deal with what wolverine has become. I dont see you all arguing over the upgrade that spiderman got. The new suit that increase his speed and strength and he also have talons. Why arent you fussing over spiderman upgrades but when wolverine get upgrades, its a sin. Wolverine is a mutant, mutants evolve, does that fall under spiderman belt, nope. He happened to get beat to death by morlun and then ran upon some more power. Wolverine is what he is and Im glad that they boosted his healing factor up and what ever else they gave him. That alone just make me realize that you all didnt like wolverine from the beginning because almost every none character has got an upgrade. Superman changed his entire power set, blue and red superman. Spiderman got his upgrade. Hulk had celestial armor on. rogue got a power upgrade. mrs marvel got a power upgrade. Colossus strength increased but when something goes into wolverine favor its bad. 😠
This is why I have trouble taking what you say seriously. You obviously don't know much about Spider-Man at all. Starting from the top, Spider-Man's new suit provided no upgrades. It was all gadgets, no enhancements to his physical stats. By talons, you mean his stingers of course. And as of late Spider-Man has gotten two upgrades. One as a result of Spider-Man Dissassembled and the other as a result of The Other.
Now you wonder why people fuss about Wolverine's uppgrades and not other heroes? Its cause Logan's just happens. Honestly Logan is one of my fav characters, you can't claim like all the others that I never choose Logan for a win cause I have argued for him many times. What I don't like is how he moves from passing out from a sword strike to recovering from a skeleton in no time at all? Wtf? I was looking forawrd to Wolverine 48 which promised to explain Logan's apparent upgrade, but all I got was some story about what happens when he "dies" getting told to some chick in Atlantis. Spider-Man, Superman, etc for the most part get upgrades that are explained to the readers. Wolverine's suddenly happens and we're to accept that no problem, no questions asked? Don't think so
Originally posted by Sparkz
I don't believe that one spin of the wrists would stop the webbing look where the webbing hit him first what was he gonna do twist his hands and miss the webbing??Maybe he was taken a back by the webbing and didn't think to pop his claws.
In the end there could be a few reasons why Logan got webbed up first he didn't think Spider-man would retaliate to his threats though that doesn't make much sense because he knows he is impulsive and doesn't back down from threats.
Second he was so taken aback by the fact Spidey webbed him he didn't think to pop his claws.
Third he wanted to be webbed 😕
Forth Spider-man was so fast he couldn't react.
Do any of these make sense, no they do not.
And as for Wolverine getting out, yes he managed but he didn't do it quickly, and if Spider-man had stayed he wouldn't have gotten out anyway, think about it every time Logan tried to pop his claws Spidey could just dump more webbing around his hands and if the claws were fully extended after that Logans hands would be firmly in place rendering his claws useless and he would have claws stuck in his head, with which then his healing factor would probably cause his head to heal over them and then he'd have webbing and his own face to cut out of lol
Also to your comment about the Wolverine was more helpless when he was being webbed, it is entirely possible after all Spider-man was controlling his arms and flinging him through the air webbing him up that was to be a little disorienting even to Wolverine. Actually that could be another reason while Wolverine was webbed.
But in the end I still believe that even if he had his claws out the same thing could have happened, mainly because of the range and the circumstances, but again if this was a fight things would have gone differently.
in a fight things would definitely go differently to that point I agree...
though i firmly beleive that if he had his claws out a spin of the wrists gets him out.. didn't he do that against venom's webbing? hodges coils? i don't think it's implausible....
second i don't think a guy who takes assaults from the hulk is going to be extremely disoriented by spiderman webbing him up. 😬
third, perhaps logan would eventually get webbing caked on him even if he was trying to cut his way free.. but that again isn't demonstrating a fight scenario...
the thing is, when spidey tried to cake webbing on TM, tm cut through it to the point that it was useless.. blade's done the same stunt. and against BP, bp closed the gap as he was shredding the webbing forcing a h2h encounter...
wolverine did pretty much the same thing in marvel knights.. what I mean is, sure spiderman can web logan up if logan is playing a game of how long he can evade the webbing... but that chance is dramatically reduced if and when wolverine goes to close the gap between the two forcing a h2h encounter...
kinda like captain america did.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Maybe I haven't bitched about it in this thread, but I've NEVER liked Spider-Man's new costume nor the special accessories that come with it. And the only reason I've never bitched about Spidey's upgrades is because, unlike Wolverine, Spidey has been consistent (for the most part) with his power levels. This recent upgrade is pretty much his first upgrade he's ever gotten.If you got anything from my post at all, the thing that I am most upset about his Wolverine inconstistencies throughout his plethora of comics. If he constantly stayed at the "healing from virtually nothing" level of healing factor, then I'd have absolutely no qualms with it. It's just the fact that sometimes he survives as literally one cell, and other times a well-placed rock to the head will put him down. All within relatively the same time period.
I can't even argue the Superman one since I don't read Superman.
Didn't Ms. Marvel get enhanced through an alien procedure?
And Rogue has gone through so many different power levels it's hard to keep up with her.
And, if I'm not mistaken, Colossus has been upgraded over the years via both his normal (non-transformed) state increasing its strength and from Magneto ALTERING his body chemistry to make him stronger/more durable.
So, yea. For the most part, there have been sufficient explanations for other characters' upgrades.
You can think I hate Wolverine all you want. You'll be wrong, but you can think it all you want. 😬 'Tis a free country, afterall.
nonsense.. spiderman used to lift 2 to 5 tons max.. then all the sudden he was knocking over train cars with a flick... that's not consistent...
also with his upgrades: NOT CONSISTENT....
first there was the upgrade in disassembled which pretty much seems to have been completely forgotten about....
then the one in the other... which again.. didn't do really anything for him... I mean seriously.. he says it feels like he's been living his whole life with weights on, but then all the sudden he's getting his ass beat by captain america, having problems with black cat, and getting pwnerized by vulture?
pffft.
no, the rock example was from what? the early to mid 90's this is nearly 2 decades later.. not the same time frame.. another thing you keep forgetting is thathis healing factor doesn't work at the same rate all the time.. it's contingent on how much he eats, how much rest he has, what he's had to recently heal before.. etc etc.. of course it fluctuates... it's a fluctuating powerset.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
So you're going to use the fatigue excuse, too? I find it interesting how these kinds of arguments are only applicable in certain scenarios...Thing is, we DON'T know if Wolverine had enough time to pop the claws. Seems to me that Spidey moved too fast for Wolverine to react in time, even too fast for him to unsheathe his claws.
Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe Wolverine DID want to be webbed up for awhile and waste even more time doing nothing. 😕
no what's 'interesting" is that you think wolverine would be completely uneffected from getting blasted by a mutant who's in the same class as pheonix, and current iceman.. 😬
even if spiderman was too fast for wolverine to react it would STILL be due to wolverine just getting the crap blasted out of him, NOT because spiderman's too fast for wolverine.. we've seen him prove otherwise too many times to discount.
Originally posted by marvelprince
😂 Its funny cause you really believe that.
it is true.. he's done it before. 😐
Originally posted by marvelprince
Ok. So why didn't he get out right away? Why stay at all if he could get out whenever he wanted? Your right about him getting out though...LOGAN. GOT. OUT. EVENTUALLY...😐
point in fact: when wolverine wanted out he got out. he only needed one wrist free and he got out in 2 seconds.. does that not tell you anything? 😬
Originally posted by marvelprince
Yup. If Wolverine could have done something to stop it he would
Originally posted by marvelprince
Well with Logan's stamina and durability he really shouldn't have affected much huh? 🙄
do you even know what an omega level mutant is? 🤨
you honestly think wolverine was NEAR 100% after that?
Originally posted by marvelprince
In the words of the Wolverine fans, "But he wasn't even fighting. He wasn't prepared." Seriously now where's that scan from and what context is that confrontation?
the last scan has no merit.. I'll give you that...
it's from a what if issue.. I believe i posted it a while ago out of pure and simple spite.
Spider-Man wins, because all he has to do is crouch on a wall six feet above the ground, where Wolverine's claws can't reach, and then he drops a car a couple of web cannisters on him, and while Logan is smothering Spidey goes home and bangs Mary Jane.
In fact, Spidey wins just because he bangs Mary Jane, actually...