Originally posted by jinzin
I did, i still don't see what the hell you're talking about.
He's talking bout the Punisher vs Wolverine fight where Logan was taken down by a baseball bat to the crotch. Eh, Ennis feat.
Originally posted by masterbruce
Yeah but do you think Spiderman can just continuously pound away at Logan???
Well he kinda did do that in the graveyard feat. Didn't do much to Logan then but wasn't much Logan could do to stop him
I would like all the spiderman fans to look at this without call it pis and i want you to read it also and the words that you are seeing is coming from spiderman. Cap owned spiderman, Owned and wolverine is on par (even though i think that wolverine fights better than cap) with cap and he owned spiderman, with his upgrades.
wolverine wins 10/10
Spiderman dont have enough skills to take out wolverine or cap.
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Originally posted by jinzin
see the thing is, that's really not a measure of spiderman's speed per say.. is wolverine fast enough to dodge lazers? sure he is... has he ver dodged them enmasse'? of course he has..is that feat something that's outside of wolverine's ability to replicate? possibly but is it because he's not fast enough? hell no...
if anything that just proves that spiderman has a decent consistency in dodging beams using his spidersense, speed, and agility....
none of that means he's faster than wolverine.. if you want examples of wolverine dodging lazer fire I can give them to you in abundance.. hell I can give you two examples of wolverine kicking rogue out of the way to help HER avoid being hit with lazers.. doesn't mean a damned thing though....
hell, that scans doesn't even prove spiderman's faster than daredevil or captain america.. 😬
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Doesn't this show Spider man being faster then Wolverine?
Originally posted by carver9
I would like all the spiderman fans to look at this without call it pis and i want you to read it also and the words that you are seeing is coming from spiderman. Cap owned spiderman, Owned and wolverine is on par (even though i think that wolverine fights better than cap) with cap and he owned spiderman, with his upgrades.wolverine wins 10/10
Spiderman dont have enough skills to take out wolverine or cap.
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awesome scans...what happens afterwards
anyways it proves 2 things
1) Spiderman can dodge things moving in a predictable motion (ie Captain's shield, bullets) but he can't dodge Cap's physical attacks upclose
2) his webbing is useless against someone with enhanced reflexes
Originally posted by Fanboy
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b391/melnorme_/SWOWNED.jpgDoesn't this show Spider man being faster then Wolverine?
It shows that spiderman can dodge a couple of wolverine's blows....
in the same fasion the scans above show captain america can weave through spiderman's blows.. does that mean captain america's faster?
in any case i firmly believe that the secret wars example can take the pro spiderman debate only so far....
We know that one: wolverine had never dealt with spiderman before, so he more than likely wasn't really prepared to engage spiderman at his speed... (a point that was quickly rectified in their next encounter)
And two: wolverine openly admits he doesn't want to hurt spiderman... which implies (in my opinion) that wolverine was probably going for a glancing blow or a hit to the side of spiderman's torso where there's no major organs or vitals...
that being the case, of course wolverine would miss... you can't engage spiderman in h2h and not only try to hold back for his sake, but ALSO not attempt to hit center mass and hope that you'll land blows on the bugger... He's just too damned good at dodging for that to work.
So while it DOES show that spiderman can indeed react in time enough to no sell an unprepared (I mean this in the terms that logan was unprepared in the sense that he wasn't up to snuff on spiderman's true abilities in speed and agility having never encountered him save once) logan, it does not however prove that spiderman can indeed move faster than logan can.
Again if you think it does, then by that same token wouldn't Wolverine's dodging of spiderman's blows on the rooftop prove wolverine to be superior in speed?
I think we're both smart enough to understand that the answer to that question is of course.. no.
Originally posted by Fanboy
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b391/melnorme_/SWOWNED.jpgDoesn't this show Spider man being faster then Wolverine?
naah, that showing the old, stupid, not up to date wolverine that got owned by everyone.
We're talking about the most recent wolverine that would slaughter spiderman.
Originally posted by masterbruce
awesome scans...what happens afterwardsanyways it proves 2 things
1) Spiderman can dodge things moving in a predictable motion (ie Captain's shield, bullets) but he can't dodge Cap's physical attacks upclose
2) his webbing is useless against someone with enhanced reflexes
He ends up knocking spiderman the hell out. Easily.
Originally posted by carver9
He ends up knocking spiderman the hell out. Easily.
Spider-Man didn't get knocked out.
Afterwards Cap and his rebels leave and Spider-Man basically lets Cap go. Even later in this issue he basically give Cap his shield back (some guys were trying to steal it from the scene of the fight but Spider-Man intervened and placed the shield high on a building so Cap can get it)
Originally posted by marvelprince
Spider-Man didn't get knocked out.Afterwards Cap and his rebels leave and Spider-Man basically lets Cap go. Even later in this issue he basically give Cap his shield back (some guys were trying to steal it from the scene of the fight but Spider-Man intervened and placed the shield high on a building so Cap can get it)
Just playing about spiderman getting knocked out but if the fight kept going he would have lose. Cap was superior to spiderman that entire fight and if cap can do that to spiderman, wolverine can do it better and faster, due to the fact that he has claws.
Cap proven to me like I always said that spiderman CANNOT do well against fighters. How could you all say that he can beat wolverine when he dont have the skills to do so. The guy just bounce around and punch and kick whereas wolverine time his punches, reads your moves, then use his martial art skills to take you down. Wolverine is just as agile as spiderman. Wolverine is just as fast as spiderman. Spiderman has spidersense but wolverine has senses of his own. Spiderman is stronger than wolverine but what good is that going to do him but wolverine has adamantium claws with a healing factor and he is one of the greatest fighters in MU. There is no way spiderman is going to get a majority on wolverine. Now if cap or wolverine train spiderman and make him a better fighter than he is now, than it would be a more interesting fight.
Originally posted by carver9
Just playing about spiderman getting knocked out but if the fight kept going he would have lose. Cap was superior to spiderman that entire fight and if cap can do that to spiderman, wolverine can do it better and faster, due to the fact that he has claws.Cap proven to me like I always said that spiderman CANNOT do well against fighters. How could you all say that he can beat wolverine when he dont have the skills to do so. The guy just bounce around and punch and kick whereas wolverine time his punches, reads your moves, then use his martial art skills to take you down. Wolverine is just as agile as spiderman. Wolverine is just as fast as spiderman. Spiderman has spidersense but wolverine has senses of his own. Spiderman is stronger than wolverine but what good is that going to do him but wolverine has adamantium claws with a healing factor and he is one of the greatest fighters in MU. There is no way spiderman is going to get a majority on wolverine. Now if cap or wolverine train spiderman and make him a better fighter than he is now, than it would be a more interesting fight.
Please before you embarass yourself further, brush up on your comic knowledge.
Wolverine is NOT as agile Spider-Man.
Wolverine is NOT as fast as Spider-Man.
Now you're entitled to your own opinion as to who would win the majority in a fight but at least get your facts straight
Originally posted by marvelprince
Please before you embarass yourself further, brush up on your comic knowledge.Wolverine is NOT as agile Spider-Man.
Wolverine is NOT as fast as Spider-Man.Now you're entitled to your own opinion as to who would win the majority in a fight but at least get your facts straight
Im not saying that he is there at spiderman agility or speed, Im saying that he is close and being close to someone does make a difference in a fight. People slower than wolverine has landed numerous of blows on spiderman and even koed spiderman, ex... kingpin. Thats all that it would take is one good stab and the fight is over and wolverine is more than capable of getting that stab in everyone of there encounters. Kraven manage to hit spiderman on all of there encounters, so I dont think wolverine would do any less than what kraven would do, I actually think that he could do better.
You all make spiderman to be some kind of god when he aint. Spiderman get hit by normal street thugs, he just got kicked threw a wall by titanium leg, do you think that titanium leg is more agile than wolverine. He just got rammed threw a deasel by frogman and got koed, do you think that frog man can beat wolverine or even put up a good fight against wolverine or is a better fighter than wolverine, I dont think that he is, I dont think that frogman would last a page against wolverine. Youre arguments suck and you have yet to prove that spiderman can beat someone on wolverine caliber because he cant. I have seen wolverine beat spiderman with nothing but his hands, could have pulled his claws out and ended the fight easily but he didnt, spiderman aint beating no wolverine and since we're debating on another forum, he aint beating cap either (might as well bring it up).
You are going by weak showing route, eh? OLD tactic and already been gone through this route in this thread and others. Seriously, you aren't bringing anything new that hasn't been dealt in this thread and others.
Well, the weak showing tactic is not going to get you far, because that game can be played by two ways. Wolverine has been knocked out by normal humans in few hits. That means that Spider-man is also able to knock him out with much less time, because you don't think that a normal human is stronger then Spider-Man, right?
Just using your tactics of debating here, you know, ignoring all the GOOD showings of the characters and pointing out few weak ones and basing the entire battle there.
Originally posted by carver9
Im not saying that he is there at spiderman agility or speed
No?
Originally posted by carver9
Wolverine is just as agile as spiderman. Wolverine is just as fast as spiderman.
So you are an idiot
Originally posted by carver9
You all make spiderman to be some kind of god when he aint. Spiderman get hit by normal street thugs
Lmao. I'd love to see a random street thug beat Spider-Man. Please show me
Originally posted by carver9
He just got rammed threw a deasel by frogman and got koed.
Leapfrog is his name. Besides you seem to think Daredevil could easily beat Spider-Man, how come Leapfrog beat him?
Originally posted by carver9
do you think that frog man can beat wolverine or even put up a good fight against wolverine or is a better fighter than wolverine
Nope, but i think its flawed logic to say that cause character A beat character B that character A can beat anyone else that character B has beaten
Originally posted by carver9
Youre arguments suck
You're the one with no knowledge of the character, pulling out all his weak showings and not even looking at confrontations in full.
Originally posted by carver9
And you have yet to prove that spiderman can beat someone on wolverine caliber because he cant.
I have stated my case already and won't go back. All you have is fight of Spider-Man against someone who he wasn't sure was Wolverine. Impressive
Originally posted by carver9
have seen wolverine beat spiderman with nothing but his hands, could have pulled his claws out and ended the fight easily but he didnt, spiderman aint beating no wolverine and since we're debating on another forum, he aint beating cap either (might as well bring it up).
Don't see why bring it up here. I already responded in that thread
Originally posted by carver9
I would like all the spiderman fans to look at this without call it pis and i want you to read it also and the words that you are seeing is coming from spiderman. Cap owned spiderman, Owned and wolverine is on par (even though i think that wolverine fights better than cap) with cap and he owned spiderman, with his upgrades.wolverine wins 10/10
Spiderman dont have enough skills to take out wolverine or cap.
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That doesn't really prove anything. Spider-Man naturally holds back against Cap, a man who he respects and doesn't really want to fight. And your own scans also contradict you, because Spider-man is realizing that he isn't going to beat Cap in the way he fights, but relying on his instincts ("That's how I can beat him...not fighting him man-to-man...but man-to-spider"😉.
Because when the Spider-Man doesn't hold back...
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