Wolverine vs. Spider-Man

Started by Seraphim XIII1,019 pages

Originally posted by crimsonphoenix
Easier to resist someone snapping you neck given Wolverines admantuim and healing factor plus strength than popping out claws. Also, I am sure Marvel wil let wolverine kill their top selling most populat superhero of all times.

Yes they both could beat each other in a fight depending where they are but not in the graveyard fight.

It took Wolverine two months to recover from a sword slash.

A broken neck would have Wolverine on the ground most likely dead. Major trauma can kill Wolverine. A broken neck is major trauma.

Yes, I agree.

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
It took Wolverine two months to recover from a sword slash.

A broken neck would have Wolverine on the ground most likely dead. Major trauma can kill Wolverine. A broken neck is major trauma.

Yes, I agree.

Wolverine has survived after being decapitated before.

Originally posted by jasonk3
Wolverine has survived after being decapitated before.

Yeah, and look how long it took him to recover from that? Not to mention, it was treated immediately.

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
Yeah, and look how long it took him to recover from that? Not to mention, it was treated immediately.

His healing factor has been Upgraded since then, he heals much faster, and is much more durable than before. In enemy of the state, he took a sword to the throat and healed in a few panels.

This thread, this poor poor thread.

Originally posted by Soleran
This thread, this poor poor thread.

🙁

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
Why would he need to break Adamantium?

You know what? Ironically, [b]YOU don't know what you're talking about. The only thing adamantium running through Wolverines neck is his spine and you don't have to break a spine to break a neck, dolt.

Common sense is opinion. Don't be ignorant.

Why don't you use ... LOGIC?

Both were not going all out or else Wolverine would not have been able to get that many hits on Spiderman and Spidey would have broken Wolvies neck.

This is going to be funny.

Whooping Spiderman? Wow, he got a few hits and he didn't almost kill Spiderman. You make it sound like Spiderman was hanging on for dear life all torn up. It was a small scuttle.

Would you be so kind as to post the rest of that comic? I think I remember what happens.

How about Wolverine getting SMACKED OUT while Spiderman took on the rest of his teams.

Hell, Wolverine even admits Spiderman made them look like AMATEURS.

Two can tango, son. [/B]

You didnt tango at all, spiderman slapped a wolverine that wasnt even trying to harm him. Show me a scan of spiderman owning wolverine like I did you. Nope dont even do that, let me help you out a little more. Show me a scan of spiderman owning any fighter of wolverine, cap, or black panther caliber.

Let me show you something else.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=4063175

Who that is that was about to die.

Oh and by the way in the scans that i showed you where wolverine is beating spiderman ass, before any of that happen wolverine was standing on the roof top scoping a area where a girl was kidnapped and spiderman thought that that was a wolverine imposter (because wolverine was thought to be dead). Also sabertooth could have killed spiderman. Why are you making this so hard. I have showed you numerous of scans where spiderman could have gotten killed and you still deny it. Deal with the fact that wolverine can and have whooped spiderman up. But you dont have to, Ill be back with some more scans.

When spiderman can give out blows and strength like this, then maybe I'll think that he can beat wolverine (even though it didnt help the hulk.)

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=4741992
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=4742013
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=4742017
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=4742020

and wolverine was still standing and you think that spiderman can break something on him. Read more on wolverine before assuming.

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
Fanboy.

Spiderman had an opportunity to break his neck and Wolverine barely landed a hit until the end. Wolverine didn't want to waste time. Spiderman is more than a match for Wolverine so don't make it sound like he held back. The same can be said for Spiderman considering he didn't break his neck. You do recall Spidey being able to stand against Wolverine and most of the X-Men team, DO YOU?

If you actually understood my post, you would know that I wasn't saying that Wolverine was holding back. What I was saying was, Wolverine was fighting Spiderman out of the way. THAT'S why he bothered to talk to him, not because he was losing the fight. And yes, Spiderman had been holding back, up until he started "giving it all I have." Oh, and up until he asked God to forgive him for killing Wolverine.

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
Wolverine simply walked away from the fight. He lost. Read my earlier post explaining this, since you probably didn't read it in the first place. Or you did and just flat out didn't get it. You think Spiderman was fighting Wolverine to beat him? They were both trying to get out of each others way. You see? If you weren't biased to Wolverine, you would have mentioned both were not going all out during this fight being why they did kill each other. If you WERE NOT a fanboy, you'd understand this. But you are. That's why you only mentioned Wolverine's motives. That is what Fanboys do. Wolverine ended it. Botton line. Plot streams are irrelevant. Either way, both had something to do but Wolvie was the first to crack. IT AIN'T HARD TO UNDERSTAND.
I hate ignorance.

Lol. Spiderman WAS fighting Wolverine to beat him. He was trying to stop Wolverine from killing Charlie. Wolverine was trying to get him to stop interfering. Wolverine wasn't the first to crack. He fought Spiderman until he had him in a position where he HAD to listen. It's really that simple. If you read the fight, Wolverine had been trying to explain the situation earlier, but Spiderman couldn't understand what he was saying. Wolverine then got him to a stalemate (with the edge to him), and forced Spiderman to listen. It's not that I'm a fanboy, it's that I can actually comprehend what I'm reading.

Originally posted by Ize19
Lol. Spiderman WAS fighting Wolverine to beat him. He was trying to stop Wolverine from killing Charlie. Wolverine was trying to get him to stop interfering. Wolverine wasn't the first to crack. He fought Spiderman until he had him in a position where he HAD to listen. It's really that simple. If you read the fight, Wolverine had been trying to explain the situation earlier, but Spiderman couldn't understand what he was saying. Wolverine then got him to a stalemate (with the edge to him), and forced Spiderman to listen. It's not that I'm a fanboy, it's that I can actually comprehend what I'm reading.

Here's the damage plan then, Dr. Comprehension. Watch me prove that you suck with comprehension and watch me prove how much of a fanboy you are. This is going to be amusing for me.

If Wolverine was trying oh so desperately to kill Wolverine, this means he wanted Spiderman out of the way. This is an indication that Wolverine was going all out as well. BTW, Spiderman had Wolverine in the position to kill him first then Wolverine stuck his arm out and put his fist under Spideys chin.

You're concentrating too much on the plot here instead of SPIDERMAN VS WOLVERINE, which is the problem.

Spiderman had the opportunity to kill Wolverine first. This is what matters. Whether Spiderman understood Wolverine or not is irrelevant. You couldn't find an explanation for that being of parallel relevance if your very own life depended upon it.

Originally posted by Ize19
If you actually understood my post, you would know that I wasn't saying that Wolverine was holding back. What I was saying was, Wolverine was fighting Spiderman out of the way. THAT'S why he bothered to talk to him, not because he was losing the fight. And yes, Spiderman had been holding back, up until he started "giving it all I have." Oh, and up until he asked God to forgive him for killing Wolverine.

Are you a sock?

And ... What are going on about? Spiderman didn't want to kill Wolverine or he would have broken his neck. He had the opportunity FIRST before Wolverine had his fist under his chin. He held back. Simple.

Wolverine talked his way out of the fight, and Spiderman agreed to end it. They came to the reason that they could kill each other, so they stopped.

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
Here's the damage plan then, Dr. Comprehension. Watch me prove that you suck with comprehension and watch me prove how much of a fanboy you are. This is going to be amusing for me.

If Wolverine was trying oh so desperately to kill Wolverine, this means he wanted Spiderman out of the way. This is an indication that Wolverine was going all out as well. BTW, Spiderman had Wolverine in the position to kill him first then Wolverine stuck his arm out and put his fist under Spideys chin.

You're concentrating too much on the plot here instead of SPIDERMAN VS WOLVERINE, which is the problem.

Spiderman had the opportunity to kill Wolverine first. This is what matters. Whether Spiderman understood Wolverine or not is irrelevant. You couldn't find an explanation for that being of parallel relevance if your very own life depended upon it.

Are you a sock?

And ... What are going on about? Spiderman didn't want to kill Wolverine or he would have broken his neck. He had the opportunity FIRST before Wolverine had his fist under his chin. He held back. Simple.

Wolverine talked his way out of the fight, and Spiderman agreed to end it. They came to the reason that they could kill each other, so they stopped.

Spidey had the chance to kill wolverine again right here, another lost for spidey.
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Originally posted by carver9
You didnt tango at all, spiderman slapped a wolverine that wasnt even trying to harm him. Show me a scan of spiderman owning wolverine like I did you. Nope dont even do that, let me help you out a little more. Show me a scan of spiderman owning any fighter of wolverine, cap, or black panther caliber.

Let me show you something else.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=4063175

Who that is that was about to die.

Oh and by the way in the scans that i showed you where wolverine is beating spiderman ass, before any of that happen wolverine was standing on the roof top scoping a area where a girl was kidnapped and spiderman thought that that was a wolverine imposter (because wolverine was thought to be dead). Also sabertooth could have killed spiderman. Why are you making this so hard. I have showed you numerous of scans where spiderman could have gotten killed and you still deny it. Deal with the fact that wolverine can and have whooped spiderman up. But you dont have to, Ill be back with some more scans.

Wolverine was surrounding Spiderman and preparing to attack and Spiderman simply SLAPPED him out of the way with what seemed like minimal effort.

Fine, I can play that game too. Watch the faulty logic that you performed and that I can play on since you did as well.

All the scans you showed of Wolverine fighting Spiderman, Spiderman wasn't trying.

Go ahead, but when Spiderman had his superhuman arms around Wolverine, ready to snap his neck, remember who can scrap who.

Simple, really.

I would stop, but I think I will pwn the living crap out of your sorry ass.

"This fight is a non-battle. Spiderman out classes Wolverine in speed, agility, strength and intellect. The only think Wolverine has going him are his senses (which aren't much against Spider sense), his healing factor (big whoop. Even if you survive being knocked unconcious by a man who can bench press toyotas, you still got knocked out) and his fighting skills (heh, like that's going to do any good against someone who is almost 20 times faster than him.) If Logan wins this battle, its by blind fanboyism only."

"Finally, he managed to get Logan's head towards a tombstone and started to bash his head until it started to crumble (the tombstone, not Wolverine's head) and finally Spiderman understood that he could win by using all of his strength to break Wolverines neck. Naturally, the blue and red whimp couldn't bear to kill him, and Logan knew that."

Spiderman DID NOT WANT to kill Logan in this fight. This is a clear indication that Spiderman was holding back on the fight. He did not want to kill Wolverine, even when given the chance to do so.

"Spidey is the giant killer of the Marvel Universe. I need only cite the Secret Wars, when Titania beat the She-Hulk nearly to death and opened endless cans of whoop-ass on everyone else who got in her way, only to be brought down by humble Spidey without landing a blow."

Spiderman defeated Titania? Look what she can withstand, everyone!

"She can withstand high caliber bullets, temperature extremes, falls from great heights, and blunt force trauma without sustaining injury."

Wow, this proves Spiderman strength is more than enough to absolutely ruin Wolverine, who can die from enough trauma. Read:

"Despite the extent of his healing factor, Wolverine is not immortal. If the injuries are extensive enough, especially if they result in the loss of vital organs, large amounts of blood, and/or loss of physical form, such as having flesh burned away by fire or acid, Wolverine can die. Enough blunt force to the head or injuries to the neck can also kill Wolverine."

Let's review the factors here as well. Remember, this thread is a dictation of no moral standards or set circumstances. This is an all out fight between the two.

STRENGTH:
-Spiderman is a superhuman and can approxamately lift 14-15 Tons.
-Wolverine has been said to lift almost a ton.

Watch Spiderman smack the hell out of the Hulk. (MAY I NOTE: HE DEFEATS THE HULK IN THIS PARTICULAR COMIC)

Spiderman clocking Superman in a fight.

Our victor? Spiderman.

SPEED/AGILITY:
- Spiderman's speed is to a superhuman extent. He can run incredibly fast and his agility is incredible. Watch him clothesline Quicksilver.

Our victor? Spiderman again.

FIGHTING SKILL:
- Wolverine takes the cake seeing as he is a martial arts master.

Wolverine is our victor.

BUT Spiderman is still strong, quick and obtains some degree of fighting skill.

Look at him toy with Thor and smack his dumb arse around.

Spiderman kicks Thor

Spidey punches Thor and dodges two hits

Thor gets WORKED by Spidey

ACROBATICS:
-I hope I don't have to walk through this one.

Spiderman is our victor.

SENSES/REFLEX:
-Another one I hope I don't have to walk through, seeing as Spiderman has the ability to virtually see things before they happen.

Spiderman is our victor.

WEBBING:
-Remember, Spiderman can also go long distance and web the crap out of Wolverine or just hang him to a light pole and then kick him into oblivion. This is yet another factor to add to Spidermans prowess in this battle.

INTELLIGENCE:

-Spiderman is all around more academically and more essentially intelligent than Wolverine. (Plans out his battles, describes in his head what he intends on doing and studies his opponents)

Spiderman is the victor.

May I also conclude that Spiderman one shotted and owned Cyclops, Professor X, Wolverine, Rogue, Nightcrawler and Colossus in the same room? What happens when Wolverine is alone?

Random Fact: WOLVERINE WAS DEFEATED BY SPIDERWOMAN!

Random Fact: A POSTER IN THIS THREAD NOTIFIED THAT WOLVERINE ELBOWED SPEED DEMON. SPIDERMAN HAS PREVIOUSLY TRIPPED SPEED DEMON BY THE ANKLE WHILE LEANING UP AGAINST THE WALL LAUGHING!

"I recall an MTU issue back in the day when I lived in Germany. I picked up a copy and reviewed a fight happening between Spiderman and Logan. The fight begins with Spiderman kicking Wolverine and Wolverine slashes his chest and tries to shank him with his claws. Spiderman rolls out of the way and kicks Wolverines hand away and hops onto his feet. Spiderman finally dodges another slash and begins unloading on Wolverine during their fight with closed fists and Wolverine is holding his head and screaming in pain. Wolverine falls to the ground, apparently INCAPACITATED but Spiderman walks away clenching his chest and bleeding, hesitant to attempt to finish off Wolverine."

"i read that issue. i didnt like it tho the fights were stupid. another mtu issue has wolvie fightin spidey and spidey ties him up with a coat of webbing effortlessly durin a fight and wolvie nearly bleeds 2 death tryin to escape lol pissed me off man, wolvie rocks"

Both Spiderman and Wolverine have had instances were they could have killed each other.

Both are formadable fighters, but after a long and excrutiating fight between the two, I must hand it to Spiderman.

"Spider-Man vs. Wolverine, for instance, has Spider-Man overpiowering Wolverine to the point where Wolvie outright gives up on trying to mount any resistance, and just lies down and takes it. Wolverine's never truly proven signfigantly stronger than Captain America, so I don't see this as being a serious argument. Spidey's also owned Sabretooth, BTW."

Have you read ALL of the SVSW issues? Or are you just pointing out one, friends?

Yes, that's right. Spiderman has defeated SABRETOOTH, who is supposed to be significantly more powerful than Wolverine.

MARVELS OFFICIAL SITE STATES (Pedia):

"Later, in an effort to prove himself to the Foreigner, Sabretooth tracked down the costumed adventurer the Black Cat, who had clashed with some of the Foreigner’s agents. The effort led to battles with both the Black Cat and the costumed crimefighter Spider-Man, with Sabretooth ultimately being hospitalized under guard because of his defeat to Spider-Man."

So when Spiderman says "I've given him everything I've got"

He wasn't trying? 🙄

Whatever, that in itself was so pathetic I'm not even going to bother crushing the rest of your attempt at an argument.

Originally posted by jinzin
So when Spiderman says "I've given him everything I've got"

He wasn't trying? 🙄

Yeah, and he had an open opportunity to end Wolverine. His sympathy got the better of him. Logan knew this and took advantage to gain the upper hand. This thread is the basis of an all out fight. Spiderman mathematically and logically wins this fights ten times over again.

I can walk you through it AGAIN if you'd like.

Both stalemated, and both admitted it in the fight.

In one of your previous arguments, you noted Logan was smiling. It's a non sequitur. Cockiness in a fight doesn't apply to personal fight or skill status. Neither does it render him not trying. I've seen villains die laughing in comic books, but they've still been defeated.

It's inconsequential, so conclude using it.

Whatever, that in itself was so pathetic I'm not even going to bother crushing the rest of your attempt at an argument.

You can't. Simple.

I'd like to do something special for you here, friend. Since you think I need to do more comic reading.

Spiderman ALLOWING Wolverine to tackle and punch him to get him in a position to destroy him.

Wolverine's only chance to survive was to play on Spidey's emotions. If this was an all out fight like it is set up and no holds are barred, Spiderman would have broken Wolverines neck before he had a chance to hold a fist to his chin. Spiderman outmaneuvered Wolverine but Wolverine pussied his way out of it, knowing Spiderman was a true hero and would not kill him.

Spiderman asked for God's forgiveness because he knew he could get Wolverine in a position to kill him and he intended upon terminating him.

Oh, and someone posted Wolverine punching a little purple guy that weighed about less than a pound into space, right?

Watch. This. Shit.

Spiderman punches the Hulk into orbit.

After a long fight, I believe Spiderman would win. He just has the raw power and raging speed to do so.

On their fight togheter, it seems that Wolvie have more wins than Spidey.

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
I'd like to do something special for you here, friend. Since you think I need to do more comic reading.

Spiderman ALLOWING Wolverine to tackle and punch him to get him in a position to destroy him.

Wolverine's only chance to survive was to play on Spidey's emotions. If this was an all out fight like it is set up and no holds are barred, Spiderman would have broken Wolverines neck before he had a chance to hold a fist to his chin. Spiderman outmaneuvered Wolverine but Wolverine pussied his way out of it, knowing Spiderman was a true hero and would not kill him.

Spiderman asked for God's forgiveness because he knew he could get Wolverine in a position to kill him and he intended upon terminating him.

Oh, and someone posted Wolverine punching a little purple guy that weighed about less than a pound into space, right?

Watch. This. Shit.

Spiderman punches the Hulk into orbit.

After a long fight, I believe Spiderman would win. He just has the raw power and raging speed to do so.


That was Uni-powered Spider-man in that scan...😬

Now who's strawmanning? You said

"All the scans you showed of Wolverine fighting Spiderman, Spiderman wasn't trying."

Which is obviously a fallacy. But again you can't compensate for the fact that you're wrong and you want to drag this argument in another direction? Okay.. here we go...

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
Yeah, and he had an open opportunity to end Wolverine. His sympathy got the better of him. Logan knew this and took advantage to gain the upper hand. This thread is the basis of an all out fight. Spiderman mathematically and logically wins this fights ten times over again.

I can walk you through it AGAIN if you'd like.

Both stalemated, and both admitted it in the fight.


Except that it WASN'T a stalemate seeing how parker's strategy would have failed.. like it has for Sabretooth.

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
In one of your previous arguments, you noted Logan was smiling. It's a non sequitur. Cockiness in a fight doesn't apply to personal fight or skill status. Neither does it render him not trying. I've seen villains die laughing in comic books, but they've still been defeated.

It's inconsequential, so conclude using it.

No: it's a clear indication on panal and by narration that Peter's "all I've got" punches were doing absolutely nothing to Wolverine, the smile a simple way to emphasize how affective they truly weren't.

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
You can't. Simple.

(sigh)

ooooook...

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
Go ahead, but when Spiderman had his superhuman arms around Wolverine, ready to snap his neck, remember who can scrap who.

Why don't you try and remember... Spiderman's attempts would have done nothing of consequence to Wolverine. All he would have had to do from there was "snikt". Sabretooth's tried the same tactic and Wolverine still fought back

AS PROVEN: http://img120.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolverine19sabretoothentr6.jpg
.. Spiderman would have died.

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
"This fight is a non-battle. Spiderman out classes Wolverine in speed, agility, strength and intellect.

Speed? possibly.. of course this still has to be proven, and it still has to be proven to a degree that would make any sort of relivant difference in this fight.
Agility? Sure, but that's only going to prolong the enevitable hit that Wolverine will tag in close quarters combat.
Strength? Which is useless against Wolverine.
And Intellect? Which isn't the type of knowledge that's going to help him win a h2h with logan.

[i]Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
The only think Wolverine has going him are his senses (which aren't much against Spider sense), his healing factor (big whoop. Even if you survive being knocked unconcious by a man who can bench press toyotas, you still got knocked out)
Which would matter if Spiderman could knock him out... but he can't..

AS PROVEN: http://img155.imageshack.us/my.php?image=781531114956215pr4.jpg

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
and his fighting skills (heh, like that's going to do any good against someone who is almost 20 times faster than him.) If Logan wins this battle, its by blind fanboyism only.[/i]"

Which would matter is fighting skills on Logan's level were ALREADY proven ineffective, or that he indeed WAS 20 times faster than Somone like Wolverine...

but, AS PROVEN:

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You're 100% wrong yet again.. 🙄

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
"Finally, he managed to get Logan's head towards a tombstone and started to bash his head until it started to crumble (the tombstone, not Wolverine's head) and finally Spiderman understood that he could win by using all of his strength to break Wolverines neck. Naturally, the blue and red whimp couldn't bear to kill him, and Logan knew that."

Spiderman DID NOT WANT to kill Logan in this fight. This is a clear indication that Spiderman was holding back on the fight. He did not want to kill Wolverine, even when given the chance to do so.

If someone elses quote is the best you got that's just sad.

now; Spiderman wasn't holding back though.. he clearly states so

AS PROVEN: http://img90.imageshack.us/my.php?image=smilebj5.jpg

Wolverine however, CLEARLY is indicated to hold back, when given the chance to simply end spiderman's life as such:

http://img139.imageshack.us/my.php?image=asswoopincm7.jpg

He simply didn't...

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
"Spidey is the giant killer of the Marvel Universe. I need only cite the Secret Wars, when Titania beat the She-Hulk nearly to death and opened endless cans of whoop-ass on everyone else who got in her way, only to be brought down by humble Spidey without landing a blow."

Spiderman defeated Titania? Look what she can withstand, everyone!

"She can withstand high caliber bullets, temperature extremes, falls from great heights, and blunt force trauma without sustaining injury."

Wow, this proves Spiderman strength is more than enough to absolutely ruin Wolverine, who can die from enough trauma. Read:

Wendigo put She Hulk down in 3 panals.. Wolverine's absolutley CURBED wendi by himself.. that proves nothing.

And titania was so tough so amazingly durable that she 😱........ got KOed by being hit by a high speed moving car... pffft.

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
"Despite the extent of his healing factor, Wolverine is not immortal. If the injuries are extensive enough, especially if they result in the loss of vital organs, large amounts of blood, and/or loss of physical form, such as having flesh burned away by fire or acid, Wolverine can die. Enough blunt force to the head or injuries to the neck can also kill Wolverine."

Ah yes the loss of vital organs... enough to kill Wolverine right? Except that he's been vaporized to and adamantium skeleton not once, not twice, BUT THRICE! he he's still tickin, there goes that heap of handbook crap.

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
Let's review the factors here as well. Remember, this thread is a dictation of no moral standards or set circumstances. This is an all out fight between the two.

Except for self imposed limitations like CIS: "Character Induced Stupidity, or CIS, on the other hand, refers to any natural mental limitations that characters impose upon themselves and reduce their ability to use their own skills and powers effectively. Unlike PIS, CIS does not occur because the plot requires it, but because the character is genuinely that dumb. Examples of the CIS-afflicted include characters such as Rhino or Jar Jar Binks. Events of CIS are not exempt from debates."

guess what Petey has in spades?

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
STRENGTH:
-Spiderman is a superhuman and can approxamately lift 14-15 Tons.
-Wolverine has been said to lift almost a ton.

Yeah? and yet Wolverine's been SHOWN tossing near two tons with ONE hand from one side of an ally to another WITHOUT strain.. there goes that theory.

And so what of Spiderman's strength? It doesn't matter. Strength is a continuously proven non-factor against logan.

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
Watch Spiderman smack the hell out of the Hulk. (MAY I NOTE: HE DEFEATS THE HULK IN THIS PARTICULAR COMIC)

Actually you may not note that.. It wasn't a fight, it was spiderman bragging about his powers and the art used as nothing more than embellishment... Real fights between hulk and spiderman are like so:

http://img135.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sp4zq2.jpg
and so:
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Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
Spiderman clocking Superman in a fight.

Our victor? Spiderman.

Well for one: spiderman was pumped full of Red sun radiation... one of superman's weaknesses... (even batman can take supes by attacking his weaknessed)

two: that fight didn't end with spiderman as a victor it ended with spiderman humiliated and his hands nearly broken simply from hitting supes without the red sun boost.

three: it's a non cannon source, and if you want to include crossovers than bone claw wolverine is > lobo and thanos.