Wolverine vs. Spider-Man

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
SPEED/AGILITY:
- Spiderman's speed is to a superhuman extent. He can run incredibly fast and his agility is incredible. Watch him clothesline Quicksilver.

Our victor? Spiderman again..

Finally a REAL spiderman example that's useable...

however, considering that Gambit's done it:
http://img92.imageshack.us/my.php?image=copyofcoc320p19fh0.jpg
I'm not impressed.. especially considering that:
http://img92.imageshack.us/my.php?image=remlo3rdclawet8.jpg

And that wolverine's speed isn't exactly human itself:
http://img141.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hyerspeedyt5.jpg

Spidey's speed still needs to be proven to be faster than wolverine's other than hear-say.. but whatchagonnado?

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
FIGHTING SKILL:
- Wolverine takes the cake seeing as he is a martial arts master.

Wolverine is our victor.

BUT Spiderman is still strong, quick and obtains some degree of fighting skill.

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
Look at him toy with Thor and smack his dumb arse around.

Spiderman kicks Thor

Spidey punches Thor and dodges two hits

Thor gets WORKED by Spidey

NO, ERIC MASTERSON who was confused that Spiderman was attacking him was "worked" by Spidey.. and he ended it when he got serious anyways.. I can't believe you're trying to parade that around like it's the true thor, the thor who can percieve light speed attacks.. 😬

But considering the rest of your examples I'm not surprised.

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
ACROBATICS:
-I hope I don't have to walk through this one.

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
SENSES/REFLEX:
-Another one I hope I don't have to walk through, seeing as Spiderman has the ability to virtually see things before they happen.

Spiderman is our victor.

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
WEBBING:
-Remember, Spiderman can also go long distance and web the crap out of Wolverine or just hang him to a light pole and then kick him into oblivion. This is yet another factor to add to Spidermans prowess in this battle.

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
INTELLIGENCE:

-Spiderman is all around more academically and more essentially intelligent than Wolverine. (Plans out his battles, describes in his head what he intends on doing and studies his opponents)

Spiderman is the victor.

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
May I also conclude that Spiderman one shotted and owned Cyclops, Professor X, Wolverine, Rogue, Nightcrawler and Colossus in the same room? What happens when Wolverine is alone?

THIS:
http://img171.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spideyassel2.jpg

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
Random Fact: [b]WOLVERINE WAS DEFEATED BY SPIDERWOMAN! [/B]

No he wasn't... 😐

we was surprised by her sudden attack, which he quickly rectified by kicking her off of him and having her dead to rights within 2 panals...

Hell he's even beaten SpiderWoman while she's been demon possessed enhaincing her strength and fighting ability.

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
Random Fact: [b]A POSTER IN THIS THREAD NOTIFIED THAT WOLVERINE ELBOWED SPEED DEMON. SPIDERMAN HAS PREVIOUSLY TRIPPED SPEED DEMON BY THE ANKLE WHILE LEANING UP AGAINST THE WALL LAUGHING! [/B]

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
"I recall an MTU issue back in the day when I lived in Germany. I picked up a copy and reviewed a fight happening between Spiderman and Logan. The fight begins with Spiderman kicking Wolverine and Wolverine slashes his chest and tries to shank him with his claws. Spiderman rolls out of the way and kicks Wolverines hand away and hops onto his feet. Spiderman finally dodges another slash and begins unloading on Wolverine during their fight with closed fists and Wolverine is holding his head and screaming in pain. Wolverine falls to the ground, apparently [B]INCAPACITATED but Spiderman walks away clenching his chest and bleeding, hesitant to attempt to finish off Wolverine." [/B]

NO SUCH ISSUE EXISTS. 😐

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
"i read that issue. i didnt like it tho the fights were stupid. another mtu issue has wolvie fightin spidey and spidey ties him up with a coat of webbing effortlessly durin a fight and wolvie nearly bleeds 2 death tryin to escape lol pissed me off man, wolvie rocks"

There was no fight, that's not how it happened, and wolverine didn't almost bleed to death. so wtf?

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
Both Spiderman and Wolverine have had instances were they could have killed each other.

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
Both are formadable fighters, but after a long and excrutiating fight between the two, I must hand it to Spiderman.

After a long and extrutiating fight? you mean after spiderman fatigues while wolverine's healing factor will keep his already enhanced stamina at peak capacity?

like here:http://img214.imageshack.us/my.php?image=max00022oo1.jpg

yeah that's logical.

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
"Spider-Man vs. Wolverine, for instance, has Spider-Man overpiowering Wolverine to the point where Wolvie outright gives up on trying to mount any resistance, and just lies down and takes it. Wolverine's never truly proven signfigantly stronger than Captain America, so I don't see this as being a serious argument. Spidey's also owned Sabretooth, BTW.

Have you read ALL of the SVSW issues? Or are you just pointing out one, friends?

Yes, that's right. Spiderman has defeated SABRETOOTH, who is supposed to be significantly more powerful than Wolverine.
"
MARVELS OFFICIAL SITE STATES (Pedia):

"Later, in an effort to prove himself to the Foreigner, Sabretooth tracked down the costumed adventurer the Black Cat, who had clashed with some of the Foreigner’s agents. The effort led to battles with both the Black Cat and the costumed crimefighter Spider-Man, with Sabretooth ultimately being hospitalized under guard because of his defeat to Spider-Man."

Wolverine did LET spiderman hit him.. this is true.. was it because he was losing? hell no...

The next time you see captain america toss 1600 pounds with one hand and without strain let me know.

and uh yeah before Sabes was an established character.. afterwards was a different story alltogether,

AS PROVEN:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=4742035
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=4742042
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=4742044

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
I'd like to do something special for you here, friend. Since you think I need to do more comic reading.

Spiderman ALLOWING Wolverine to tackle and punch him to get him in a position to destroy him.

Wolverine's only chance to survive was to play on Spidey's emotions. If this was an all out fight like it is set up and no holds are barred, Spiderman would have broken Wolverines neck before he had a chance to hold a fist to his chin. Spiderman outmaneuvered Wolverine but Wolverine pussied his way out of it, knowing Spiderman was a true hero and would not kill him.

Spiderman asked for God's forgiveness because he knew he could get Wolverine in a position to kill him and he intended upon terminating him.

Oh, and someone posted Wolverine punching a little purple guy that weighed about less than a pound into space, right?

Watch. This. Shit.

Spiderman punches the Hulk into orbit.

After a long fight, I believe Spiderman would win. He just has the raw power and raging speed to do so.

to the second:
😂

I didn't know this was COSMIC SPIDEY vs. wolverine.. I must have missed that.. 🙄

Originally posted by jinzin
Already disporved your first theory..

to the second:
😂

I didn't know this was COSMIC SPIDEY vs. wolverine.. I must have missed that.. 🙄

Empty Statement.

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
Empty Statement.

didn't you say you were leaving the forums yesterday?...in fact you made a thread about it 😑 ..well anyways..welcome back

Originally posted by jinzin
[B]Now who's strawmanning? You said

"All the scans you showed of Wolverine fighting Spiderman, Spiderman wasn't trying."

Which is obviously a fallacy. But again you can't compensate for the fact that you're wrong and you want to drag this argument in another direction? Okay.. here we go...

Fine, I can play that game too. Watch the faulty logic that you performed and that I can play on since you did as well.

All the scans you showed of Wolverine fighting Spiderman, Spiderman wasn't trying.

I was using Carver9's logic in an earlier post against him. I wasn't strawmanning. Do you even know what that is, Jinzin?

Here:

Wolverine was trying to kill Spiderman. That is trying. Spiderman knew it. Wolverine started getting voictrous and tried to slash at Spiderman, MISSING EACH TIME. Spiderman got two hits on Wolverine to Wolverines ZERO at that point.

Sure, Spidey is scared. This is his first time fighting Wolverine. Besides, Spiderman is the opposite of Wolverine. Even if Wolverine is losing a fight, he's still Cocky as hell.

Except that it WASN'T a stalemate seeing how parker's strategy would have failed.. like it has for Sabretooth.

I don't think Parker's strategy has failed for Sabretooth, seeing as he has beaten him before and has PUT HIM IN THE HOSPITAL when he worked for the Foreigner.

No: it's a clear indication on panal and by narration that Peter's "all I've got" punches were doing absolutely nothing to Wolverine, the smile a simple way to emphasize how affective they truly weren't.

Wolverine is cocky. It's that simple. I've seen him get stabbed by a Japanese Warlord in one comic and he smiled. It took him two months to recover from that one injury, but he still smiled and said some comment to piss the Warlord off.

It's irrelevant in fights. Fighting, skill and prowess is measured by Fighting, skill and prowess. Not the man who smiles or the one who cries.

(sigh)

ooooook...

Moving on, then.

Why don't you try and remember... Spiderman's attempts would have done nothing of consequence to Wolverine. All he would have had to do from there was "snikt". Sabretooth's tried the same tactic and Wolverine still fought back

AS PROVEN: http://img120.imageshack.us/my.php?...etoothentr6.jpg
.. Spiderman would have died.

All Spiderman had to was pull his hands down. Wolverine has a regular neck structure that is breakable and Spiderman has hands that can pick up cars. Wolverine ADMITS this in that particular comic strip. He knows they stalemated. Get over it, you disillusioned fanboy.

Sabretooth tried and failed. Wolverine fought back because he knew Sabretooth was ready to kill him.

Speed? possibly.. of course this still has to be proven, and it still has to be proven to a degree that would make any sort of relivant difference in this fight.

Superhuman > Enhancements.

Spiderman is a superhuman. He has proved to be stronger AND faster, but you seem to ignore it with bias, naturally.

I've seen Wolverine get shot by a bullet. You ever seen him dodge them like this?

I've seen Wolverine get literally beat INTO a ground, you ever see him dodge the hulk like this?

http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/4319/bio0024js.jpg

You seen Spidey dodging WOLVERINE HIMSELF, Warlock, and others only to kick the Surfer in the face?

Agility? Sure, but that's only going to prolong the enevitable hit that Wolverine will tag in close quarters combat.

Strength? Which is useless against Wolverine.
And Intellect? Which isn't the type of knowledge that's going to help him win a h2h with logan.

No, all Spiderman has to do is dance around and hit Wolverine like he did or web him and perpetually hit him until he either bleeds to death or sustains incredible trauma, which can kill him.

Which would matter if Spiderman could knock him out... but he can't..

He has before. Go read the MTU, my son.

AS PROVEN: http://img155.imageshack.us/my.php?...14956215pr4.jpg

That's proof he cannot knock him out? He punched him FOUR times full strength. He didn't hammer away, dude. And we've established Wolverine was going all out in that comic, trying to kill Spidey ... BUT COULD NOT LAND A HIT UNTIL SPIDERMAN ALLOWED HIM TO.

"I LET HIM TACKLE ME."

How come you didn't highlight that with red, son?

You didn't highlight Spidermans hands in red either when he was about to snap Wolverines neck.

Which would matter is fighting skills on Logan's level were ALREADY proven ineffective, or that he indeed WAS 20 times faster than Somone like Wolverine...

but, AS PROVEN:

http://img3.freeimagehosting.net/im...?f2c9889c23.jpg
http://img3.freeimagehosting.net/im...?fd96c32deb.jpg
http://img3.freeimagehosting.net/im...?1025084a04.jpg
http://img3.freeimagehosting.net/im...?c3126b560f.jpg
http://img3.freeimagehosting.net/im...?8198d2fc17.jpg
http://img3.freeimagehosting.net/im...?edecd0b53c.jpg

Ugh, you're not proving anything. You lack the skill to debate me so you spew off comic pages. Watch this.

Y'see, I prefer WORDS, son. 🙂

"Rogers in the Marvel Universe has no superhuman powers, although as a result of the Super-Soldier serum, he is transformed from a frail young man into a "perfect" specimen of human development and conditioning. Captain America is as intelligent, strong, fast, agile, and durable as it is possible for a human being to be without being considered superhuman. He was once seen bench-pressing 1100 lbs. unassisted"

^ Wolverine was in a supersoldier project. Wolverine can lift a ton. Hell, Wolverine can left a METRIC ton, that is more than Captain America.

You want to prove Wolverine is faster than Spiderman, yet you think an ENHANCED human like Captain America is faster than Wolverine?

Your OWN LOGIC just made your debate crumble.

You're 100% wrong yet again.. roll eyes (sarcastic)

I just put your entire debate into a box, waved my hands and turned it into shit.

Move on. You're out of my league.

If someone elses quote is the best you got that's just sad.

This is before I obtained scans. More exclusive evidence that you're ignorant.

Moving on.

now; Spiderman wasn't holding back though.. he clearly states so

AS PROVEN: http://img90.imageshack.us/my.php?image=smilebj5.jpg

Wolverine however, CLEARLY is indicated to hold back, when given the chance to simply end spiderman's life as such:

http://img139.imageshack.us/my.php?...sswoopincm7.jpg

Wrong. Spiderman holds back from breaking Wolverines neck and he is the one who had the chance. It is made clear Wolverine is trying to KILL Spiderman. Wolverine begins to get loud and yells at Spiderman to move he will kill him and he tried.

But he couldn't. He dodged Wolverines claws and Wolverine hit him only when Spiderman allowed it to happen.

Spiderman defeated Titania? Look what she can withstand, everyone!

"She can withstand high caliber bullets, temperature extremes, falls from great heights, and blunt force trauma without sustaining injury."

Wow, this proves Spiderman strength is more than enough to absolutely ruin Wolverine, who can die from enough trauma. Read:

Wendigo put She Hulk down in 3 panals.. Wolverine's absolutley CURBED wendi by himself.. that proves nothing.

And titania was so tough so amazingly durable that she eek!........ got KOed by being hit by a high speed moving car... pffft.

So? What is your point? Wendigo didn't put Titania down in three panals. Illogical and Inconclusive.

God, you're a dolt. Moving on.

Ah yes the loss of vital organs... enough to kill Wolverine right? Except that he's been vaporized to and adamantium skeleton not once, not twice, BUT THRICE! he he's still tickin, there goes that heap of handbook crap.

Hahaha! He once got stabbed by a Japanese Warlord and it took him a month to recover.

It even says that Wolverines healing factor is different from time to time. Same with Deadpools.

Except for self imposed limitations like CIS: "Character Induced Stupidity, or CIS, on the other hand, refers to any natural mental limitations that characters impose upon themselves and reduce their ability to use their own skills and powers effectively. Unlike PIS, CIS does not occur because the plot requires it, but because the character is genuinely that dumb. Examples of the CIS-afflicted include characters such as Rhino or Jar Jar Binks. Events of CIS are not exempt from debates."

You mentioned a plot device, not a CIS.

Pwnt in one sentence to your irrelevant misdirection.

Hahaha, easy. Moving on.

Yeah? and yet Wolverine's been SHOWN tossing near two tons with ONE hand from one side of an ally to another WITHOUT strain.. there goes that theory.

And so what of Spiderman's strength? It doesn't matter. Strength is a continuously proven non-factor against logan.

Cool. Spiderman threw a fourteen ton toyota and caught a bullet.

What is your point?

Actually you may not note that.. It wasn't a fight, it was spiderman bragging about his powers and the art used as nothing more than embellishment... Real fights between hulk and spiderman are like so:

http://img135.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sp4zq2.jpg
and so:
http://img135.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sp2vd0.jpg
http://img135.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sp9wd9.jpg

It WAS a fight. The two FOUGHT and Spiderman WON. It's simple. I could use the same logical fallacy and inconclusive statements you used for everything you just posted, but I won't. Because I'm not a moron who lacks debating skills.

Well for one: spiderman was pumped full of Red sun radiation... one of superman's weaknesses... (even batman can take supes by attacking his weaknessed)

He was still virtually owning Superman and he wasn't even near his level of power at that point.

Moving on.

two: that fight didn't end with spiderman as a victor it ended with spiderman humiliated and his hands nearly broken simply from hitting supes without the red sun boost.

Oh well, Shit happens. That is superman, y'know. 🙂

three: it's a non cannon source, and if you want to include crossovers than bone claw wolverine is > lobo and thanos.

Okay then, CosSpidey = Hulk punched into Orbit with no effort.

this thread is unreasonably long

Finally a REAL spiderman example that's useable...

however, considering that Gambit's done it:
http://img92.imageshack.us/my.php?i...oc320p19fh0.jpg
I'm not impressed.. especially considering that:
http://img92.imageshack.us/my.php?i...o3rdclawet8.jpg

Fine. Since you think Sabretooth > Wolverine, and Spiderman > Sabretooth has happened before, I guess, y'know ...

Spiderman > Wolverine.

I just use your own logic against you in a debate.

Hahaha.

And that wolverine's speed isn't exactly human itself:
http://img141.imageshack.us/my.php?...yerspeedyt5.jpg

It's a picture of his face ...

Spidey's speed still needs to be proven to be faster than wolverine's other than hear-say.. but whatchagonnado?

I proved it in my last post. Click on the links and look at the pictures of Spiderman dodging four guys with automatics.

A level of skill, admittedly 100 years behind the likes of somone on Wolvie's level.

Wrong. Disproved wehn Wolverine doesn't land a hit and Spidey lands SIX in the graveyard fight. Oh yeah! Wolverine does land a hit! When Spiderman LETS HIM and ADMITS DOING SO before it happens.

NO, ERIC MASTERSON who was confused that Spiderman was attacking him was "worked" by Spidey.. and he ended it when he got serious anyways.. I can't believe you're trying to parade that around like it's the true thor, the thor who can percieve light speed attacks.. erm

But considering the rest of your examples I'm not surprised.

Should I quote Thor for you, you biased fool?

goes hand in hand with agility.. Now you're just making up categories for spidey to walk home with.

Acrobatics and Agility are the same thing?

Moron, here's me proving YOU wrong YET again.

granted.

Naturally.

Pffft. Might as well make "claws" a category.. oh that's right, that's one spidey wouldn't win.. nevermind.. lol.

Really? Hell, speaking geometrically to the limitations of the fight, Spiderman could go long distance and web Wolverine like he did in MTU. Y'know, when Wolverine had to STAB himself and injured himself trying to exit a THIN coat of webbing.

Lol.

If this were the science fair, you might have a point but like captain america already proved, If you stick in a book worm with a militech fighter that intelligence isn't going to come into play.. otherwise doc doom and reed richards would be some of the most proficient h2h technicians in all of marvel.

It doesn't change the fact that Doctor Doom and Reeds are still the smartest people.

Spiderman is still vastly intelligence. You're walling non sequiturs now to save your own ass. Sad.

you mean when wolverine's NOT trying to just capture Spiderman?

THIS:
http://img171.imageshack.us/my.php?...pideyassel2.jpg

Nice, but both were not going all out in each of those segments. Notice Spiderman admitting that in one instance?

I cite when Wolverine admits that Spiderman made him and five other X-Men look like amateurs when he effortlessly owned them and SLAPPED Wolverine onto the ground.

No he wasn't... no expression

we was surprised by her sudden attack, which he quickly rectified by kicking her off of him and having her dead to rights within 2 panals...

Hell he's even beaten SpiderWoman while she's been demon possessed enhaincing her strength and fighting ability.

And no, Spiderwoman was ready to absolutely destroy Wolverine and Colossus stopped the fight.

If he was off guard, that is his problem. You're seeking excuses again.

scan?

I will try to find it, but for now, I'll show you an instance of Spidey webbing Speed Demon, effectively catching him.

NO SUCH ISSUE EXISTS. no expression

I'm going to find it, because It's an MTU issue and it is in existance.

There was no fight, that's not how it happened, and wolverine didn't almost bleed to death. so wtf?

Show us scans then.

wolverine's just had them far more often.[/qoute]

No, not really. Spiderman has walked away from killing him before in the MTU.

[quote]After a long and extrutiating fight? you mean after spiderman fatigues while wolverine's healing factor will keep his already enhanced stamina at peak capacity?

like here:http://img214.imageshack.us/my.php?...max00022oo1.jpg

yeah that's logical.

That was their first fight. Notice in the other ones how Spiderman has no trouble doing anything short of walking whatsoever? Like, making him stab himself? Slapping him out?

Also, the scans you show of Wolverine apparently owning Spidey, I like to see the page before and a page after, please.

It would be nice. 🙂

well aside from the fact that Marvel's sites are probably not the best of sources....

Too bad they're not lying. Spiderman did beat Sabretooth and did leave him in a hospital.

And their latest fight has Sabretooth grabbing Spidey by the neck and Spiderman has his hands up ready to do something but Sabretooth throws the Punisher and books it.

Hmm, It's funny how Sabretooth fled the fight yet he apparently pwns Spiderman?

Who fled the damn fight?

Wolverine did LET spiderman hit him.. this is true.. was it because he was losing? hell no...

Of course not, It was because he was winning ...

Lol, hahaha. I love it when you OPENLY DESTROY YOUR OWN LOGIC.

The next time you see captain america toss 1600 pounds with one hand and without strain let me know.

Can I own you now?

Showing off the strength of just his index finger:
http://img15.photobucket.com/albums...r-Man_32-03.jpg

Breaks free of steel chains and owns a golden robot (Intello)
http://img466.imageshack.us/my.php?image=10oz2.jpg
http://img466.imageshack.us/my.php?image=26or.jpg

Spider-Man knocks out Absorbing Man
http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/6520/00cf.jpg
http://img352.imageshack.us/img352/8725/15ej1.jpg
http://img352.imageshack.us/img352/6891/23so.jpg
http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/3615/34op.jpg

Taking an enhanced punch and he doesn’t even budge
http://img57.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dfg6fs.jpg

Spidey holding a solid gold statue and then punching it into pieces:
http://img87.imageshack.us/my.php?i...ldstatue1wl.jpg

Spidey knocking out Bulldozer with one punch:
http://img66.imageshack.us/my.php?i...ledriver4qv.jpg

Chucks Wolverine out of an “unbreakable” window
http://img317.imageshack.us/my.php?image=r6r7xa5qq.jpg

and uh yeah before Sabes was an established character.. afterwards was a different story alltogether,

AS PROVEN:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/...;postid=4742035
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/...;postid=4742042
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/...;postid=4742044

I debated this above as you saw and that's an irrelevant misdirection and and inconsequential excuse.

[QUOTE=8523141]Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
[B]Fine. Since you think Sabretooth > Wolverine, and Spiderman > Sabretooth has happened before, I guess, y'know ...

You know what, you dont know what you are talking about. Show me a scan of spiderman beating wolverine, show me 1 scan. Nope do me this favor, you know that scan of wolverine being webbed up in the ally with his hands on his head, show that scan. Along with that scan show what happened before that. I want you to see how terrified spiderman was of wolverine when he was attacking that kid. SOMEBODY PLEASE SHOW THE ENTIRE PART OF THAT SCAN, I HAVE BEEN LOOKING FOR IT FOR ABOUT A MONTH NOW. Spiderma feared wolverine.

Spiderman has never over came wolverine and in the graveyard sorry to tell you this but wolverine wasnt even trying, do you think that wolverine wanted to kill spiderman when wolverine knew the reason for spiderman fighting him. He was trying to reason with him.

I have showed you numerous and numerous of scans of wolverine owning spiderman. What does it takes to get you to realize that spiderman gets owned by wolverine every time. Spiderman has no way of beating wolverine and wolverine is to good of a fighter to let spiderman web him up.

You also said this "when have you seen wolverine dodge bullets". If you had a healing factor and you thrived off of pain why would you dodge bullets. Do wolverine even need to dodge bullets. Please dont let me show you some scans of wolverine taking bullets. Nope I have to do it. Debating against you, everything that i tell you Im going to back it up.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/sinister_samurai/Wolverine/63b68dca.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/sinister_samurai/Wolverine/59818cc8.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/sinister_samurai/Wolverine/5599de7b.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/sinister_samurai/Wolverine/ef2c0b0d.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a272/mojorex/wolverine77.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y93/Jyppe/wolverinebullet.jpg

http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/5387/page01ec6.jpg

But you want wolverine dodging bullets then here ya go.
http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/2607/19eg6.jpg
http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/5594/2021yb8.jpg

http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/128/wolverine1618qu4.jpg

Didnt even get touched by a bullet
http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/9610/wolverinev21810hr3.jpg
http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/462/wolverinev2181112dk5.jpg

Heres him dodging bullets again but you want to know what makes this so impressive, he is fighting in gas.
http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/3887/wolverine1610tt1.jpg
http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/8968/wolverine1611jl0.jpg

I give you your props you know a little something about spiderman but about wolverine you know nothing.

As for speed, heres another 1 for ya (and he cant dodge webbing).
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=4742029

Can spiderman punches take someone out that can take this.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=4742785
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=4742789
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=4742795
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=4742803

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/sinister_samurai/Wolverine/691ae1c0.jpg
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iron man thought that he could take wolverine
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You remember spiderman getting his a** whipped by cap, lets see how wolverine fare.
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Wolverine did recently just own cap again and cap had help
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Do you think that spiderman is faster than mimic, a guy who stalemated thor and a guy who beat the hell out of namor.
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We all seen how spiderman fare against the hulk. Lets see what wolverine can do.
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You really think that spiderman can beat someone that can do this.
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After spiderman and wolverine is through fighting, spiderman will be laying down with this crowd.
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LoL this thread so funny.

Wolverine is at lvl 9. Spider-man at 8. Hulk at 10.

Originally posted by Bouboumaster
Wolverine is at lvl 9. Spider-man at 8. Hulk at 10.

Why does this keep coming up? Wolverine's damage level is a 9 because he simply causes more damage than most people. Hello? He has got claws made from adamantium. Don't get to exited. Why is Hulk at a higher level than Wolverine? Because he causes more damage. Take the claws away from Wolverine then what? It wouldn't change his strength level if you think logically. Wolverines level would go from a 9 to 😕 who knows 😛

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
Empty Statement.

No, an empty statement would be me filibustering in place of anything important...

I made a factual statement: as I DID disporve your theory.. WITH ON PANAL EVIDENCE...

then I mocked you for your incorrect use of a Captain Universe induced Spidey in place of a regular one... 😬

There were no empty statement's there, I wasn't buying time or trying to delay... I'm not entirely sure you even know what "empty statements" really are... Of course, you technically didn't know what a Strawman was either so I'm not surprised.

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
I was using Carver9's logic in an earlier post against him.

And it wasn't working... 😬

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
I wasn't Straw manning. Do you even know what that is, Jinzin?

Actually you were, you claimed Spiderman wasn't trying, I contradicted that with a FACT, and then you replied as if I was talking about HOW they got into the "stalemate" at the end of the fight when I clearly wasn't.... Straw manning. 😐

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
Here:

Wolverine was trying to kill Spiderman. That is trying. Spiderman knew it. Wolverine started getting voictrous and tried to slash at Spiderman, MISSING EACH TIME. Spiderman got two hits on Wolverine to Wolverines ZERO at that point.

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For someone who likes to throw "Appealing to a non sequitur" as a defense for himself, you don't seem to think much of it when you do it. 😐

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
Sure, Spidey is scared. This is his first time fighting Wolverine. Besides, Spiderman is the opposite of Wolverine. Even if Wolverine is losing a fight, he's still Cocky as hell.

This is actually the second fight between them and the third confrontation overall

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
I don't think Parker's strategy has failed for Sabretooth, seeing as he has beaten him before and has PUT HIM IN THE HOSPITAL when he worked for the Foreigner.

Now you're using an illogical red herring..

Parker's strategy, that is the strategy: of breaking Logan's neck to end a fight with him has failed for Sabretooth, that's what was meant to be conveyed.. Sorry for giving you too much credit to figure that out on your lonesome.

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
Wolverine is cocky. It's that simple. I've seen him get stabbed by a Japanese Warlord in one comic and he smiled. It took him two months to recover from that one injury, but he still smiled and said some comment to piss the Warlord off.

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
It's irrelevant in fights. Fighting, skill and prowess is measured by Fighting, skill and prowess. Not the man who smiles or the one who cries.

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
All Spiderman had to was pull his hands down. Wolverine has a regular neck structure that is breakable and Spiderman has hands that can pick up cars. Wolverine ADMITS this in that particular comic strip. He knows they stalemated. Get over it, you disillusioned fanboy.

Spiderman can't break adamntium; he would have had to to break Wolverine's neck.
Wolverine's body is not that of normal human phisiology and neither is his skeletal structure.. His skeleton is bonded on a molecular unit as one cohesive yet articulated unit. Wolverine said that to end the scuffle without hurting spiderman. Wolverine at this point wan't aware of his skeletal structure being bonded on a molecular level, so he assumed it could be broken just like you did. Still doesn't change the fact that Spiderman was breaking nohing there.

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
Sabretooth tried and failed. Wolverine fought back because he knew Sabretooth was ready to kill him.

EXACTLY: Sabretooth tried and failed... he FAILED because you can't break logan's neck with 10 to 15 ton strength.
Are you going to attempt to argue that Sabretooth doesn't have the knowledge to break a human neck?
pffft.. and if not, then how would Wolverine's knowing Sabretooth was ready to kill him keep Wolverine fighting is his neck was broken? 🤨

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
Superhuman > Enhancements.

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
Spiderman is a superhuman. He has proved to be stronger AND faster, but you seem to ignore it with bias, naturally.

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
I've seen Wolverine get shot by a bullet. You ever seen him dodge them like this?

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
I've seen Wolverine get literally beat INTO a ground, you ever see him dodge the hulk like this?

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
You seen Spidey dodging WOLVERINE HIMSELF, Warlock, and others only to kick the Surfer in the face?

Outside of that SAME hyperbole embellished by artwork that I just described? NO.. and neither have you.

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
It didn't in their graveyard fight when Spiderman dodged all of his hits with his claws extended, only to LET Wolverine tackle and punch him after he smashed his head into a tombstone then got the opportunity to break his neck.

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
No, all Spiderman has to do is dance around and hit Wolverine like he did or web him and perpetually hit him until he either bleeds to death or sustains incredible trauma, which can kill him.

LIKE HE ALREADY HAS!

And the chances of Spiderman dancing around logan in a prolonged fight where logan's actually trying to go for the kill... SLIM.

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
He has before. Go read the MTU, my son.

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
That's proof he cannot knock him out? He punched him FOUR times full strength. He didn't hammer away, dude. And we've established Wolverine was going all out in that comic, trying to kill Spidey ... BUT COULD NOT LAND A HIT UNTIL SPIDERMAN ALLOWED HIM TO.

"I LET HIM TACKLE ME."

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
How about this.. SHOW ME ONE TIME, where Spiderman has successfully knocked Wolverine unconcious..

How come you didn't highlight that with red, son?

You didn't highlight Spidermans hands in red either when he was about to snap Wolverines neck.

Because none of those have anything to do with the point that Spiderman can't knock Logan unconcious using "everything" he's got. 😕

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
Ugh, you're not proving anything. You lack the skill to debate me so you spew off comic pages. Watch this.

The more we converse the more I find that one does not need any actual SKILL to debate with you. Just basic fundemental comic knowledge and the ability to read a comic WHILE looking at the pretty pictures to understandwhat's going on..

Meh, I HAVE PROVED something there though. Spiderman's not 20 times faster than an established peak/enhanced human. The fact that he was hit several times before he even managed to land ONE offensive SCRATCH, kinda indicates that he's not faster AT ALL. What chance in hell does he have of being faster than Wolverine? Oh a snowball comes to mind.

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
Y'see, I prefer WORDS, son. 🙂

"Rogers in the Marvel Universe has no superhuman powers, although as a result of the Super-Soldier serum, he is transformed from a frail young man into a "perfect" specimen of human development and conditioning. Captain America is as intelligent, strong, fast, agile, and durable as it is possible for a human being to be without being considered superhuman. He was once seen bench-pressing 1100 lbs. unassisted"

You prefer words only when they support your argument.. But the words don't mean anything if they aren't supported by comic book fact.. Captain America has TONS of abilities that have been proved to be outside the scope of human capability, so whatever handbook or website you got that off of is wrong.

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
^ Wolverine was in a supersoldier project. Wolverine can lift a ton. Hell, Wolverine can left a METRIC ton, that is more than Captain America.

You want to prove Wolverine is faster than Spiderman, yet you think an ENHANCED human like Captain America is faster than Wolverine?

Uggghhh you can't follow a train of thought to save your miserable life can you?

The point was that if Spidey can't prove that he's 20 times faster than a peak human fighter he SURE AS HELL ain't 20 times faster than Wolverine. It's that simple. I NEVER said, nor implied that Cap was faster than Wolverine so I'm not sure where you got that from. 😕

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
Your OWN LOGIC just made your debate crumble.

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
I just put your entire debate into a box, waved my hands and turned it into shit.

Move on. You're out of my league.

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
This is before I obtained scans. More exclusive evidence that you're ignorant.

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
Wrong. Spiderman holds back from breaking Wolverines neck and he is the one who had the chance. It is made clear Wolverine is trying to KILL Spiderman. Wolverine begins to get loud and yells at Spiderman to move he will kill him and he tried.

please logically explain to me why: If Wolverine was trying to kill Spiderman WHY didn't he when he had several oppurtunities to do so?

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
Spiderman defeated Titania? Look what she can withstand, everyone!

"She can withstand high caliber bullets, temperature extremes, falls from great heights, and blunt force trauma without sustaining injury."

Wow, this proves Spiderman strength is more than enough to absolutely ruin Wolverine, who can die from enough trauma. Read:

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
So? What is your point? Wendigo didn't put Titania down in three panals. Illogical and Inconclusive.

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
God, you're a dolt. Moving on.

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
Hahaha! He once got stabbed by a Japanese Warlord and it took him a month to recover.

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
It even says that Wolverines healing factor is different from time to time. Same with Deadpools.

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
You mentioned a plot device, not a CIS.
Pwnt in one sentence to your irrelevant misdirection.
Hahaha, easy. Moving on.

The only person you're pwning here is yourself, by ATTEMPTING to debate with me.. you should probably stop.. All I see is you humiliating yourself.

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
Cool. Spiderman threw a fourteen ton toyota and caught a bullet.

What is your point?

That Wolverine's well above the one ton lifting limit you imposed upon him.
And that Spiderman's strength factor is worthless against Wolverine.

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
It WAS a fight. The two FOUGHT and Spiderman WON. It's simple. I could use the same logical fallacy and inconclusive statements you used for everything you just posted, but I won't. Because I'm not a moron who lacks debating skills.

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
He was still virtually owning Superman and he wasn't even near his level of power at that point.

And it's STILL completely irrelivant to your outlook on Spiderman's strength.
Batman can beat the crap out of Superman in a fist fight with kryptonite gloves.. does that too make batman strong enough to KO Wolverine?

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
Okay then, CosSpidey = Hulk punched into Orbit with no effort.

Well if we're using non current incarnations, then crytal of the universe omnipotant wolverine can just WILL spiderman out of existence.. he still wins.

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
Fine. Since you think Sabretooth > Wolverine, and Spiderman > Sabretooth has happened before, I guess, y'know ...
Spiderman > Wolverine.
I just use your own logic against you in a debate.
Hahaha.

Or at least you WOULD have if your assessment of the characters was at all correct.....
It's not.

The Sabretooth that fought Spiderman, you know, the one without a healing factor, or super strength, or CIA training, IS NOT > Wolverine...

What part of that concept are you not understanding? Seriously, I'd like to know so I could help you. The Sabretooth that's > Wolverine HAS NEVER BEEN BEATEN BY SPIDERMAN.. only the nonpowered original classic version.

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
It's a picture of his face ...

Next time you have to do more than look at the pretty pictures...
It states: Wolverine's speed is HYPER-reflexive.

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
I proved it in my last post. Click on the links and look at the pictures of Spiderman dodging four guys with automatics.

Dodgine bullets does no = to being faster than wolverine 😐

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
Wrong. Disproved wehn Wolverine doesn't land a hit and Spidey lands SIX in the graveyard fight. Oh yeah! Wolverine does land a hit! When Spiderman LETS HIM and ADMITS DOING SO before it happens.

How about PROVED when wolverine's landed hits in 3 of their fights and had his hands at spiderman's throat on 2 other occasions.

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
Should I quote Thor for you, you biased fool?

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
Acrobatics and Agility are the same thing?
Moron, here's me proving YOU wrong YET again.

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
Really? Hell, speaking geometrically to the limitations of the fight, Spiderman could go long distance and web Wolverine like he did in MTU.

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
It doesn't change the fact that Doctor Doom and Reeds are still the smartest people.

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
Spiderman is still vastly intelligence. You're walling non sequiturs now to save your own ass. Sad.

No Spiderman being smart but that intelligence not granting him an advantage in h2h is NOT a non sequitur... Thinking that intelligence grants one an instant h2h advantage however IS.

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
Nice, but both were not going all out in each of those segments. Notice Spiderman admitting that in one instance?

The graveyard fight: spiderman went all out.. it's not up for debate.

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
I cite when Wolverine admits that Spiderman made him and five other X-Men look like amateurs when he effortlessly owned them and SLAPPED Wolverine onto the ground.

Spiderman DID humiliate them, but he didn't beat any of them in a FIGHT... it was essentially a non fight.

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
And no, Spiderwoman was ready to absolutely destroy Wolverine and Colossus stopped the fight.

Okay what incident are you talking about?
issue number? scans?

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
If he was off guard, that is his problem. You're seeking excuses again.

So sneak attacks count as straight fights to you? 🤨

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
I will try to find it, but for now, I'll show you an instance of Spidey webbing Speed Demon, effectively catching him.

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
I'm going to find it, because It's an MTU issue and it is in existance.

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
Show us scans then.

K I will in a bit.

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
That was their first fight. Notice in the other ones how Spiderman has no trouble doing anything short of walking whatsoever? Like, making him stab himself? Slapping him out?

Getting himself stabbed by wolverine, kicked in theballs, his head slammed into a tree..

I get the rest later.

Originally posted by python99
Why does this keep coming up? Wolverine's damage level is a 9 because he simply causes more damage than most people. Hello? He has got claws made from adamantium. Don't get to exited. Why is Hulk at a higher level than Wolverine? Because he causes more damage. Take the claws away from Wolverine then what? It wouldn't change his strength level if you think logically. Wolverines level would go from a 9 to 😕 who knows 😛

Answer this question, who can kill more people, daredevil or punisher.

Spiderman would hopefully realize that he is too smart to do this, and since Wolveirne is so fiendish, he would ask him ot be friends first. Wolverine realizes that what they are doing is wrong, too, and they becomes friends🙂 Not a draw... No losers... Just winners🙂 Because they both got a trophy... A friend for life🙂

Originally posted by The Fighter
Spiderman would hopefully realize that he is too smart to do this, and since Wolveirne is so fiendish, he would ask him ot be friends first. Wolverine realizes that what they are doing is wrong, too, and they becomes friends🙂 Not a draw... No losers... Just winners🙂 Because they both got a trophy... A friend for life🙂

Good post and i hope that it does turn out like that but its not and spidey would get killed.