Originally posted by jinzin
I'm not bashing it because it doesn't support my stance.. I'm bashing it because it's about as valid as a fanfiction. 😐Credible? Hardly.. these are the same guys who had Leonardo giving Ryu a hard time, and said Juggernaught was a non factor in a fight between Him Hulk and DD.. 😬
no, it's not a popularity contest
Juggernaut is more popular than DD
CBUB takes the votes of knowledgeable comic book readers, most of whom provide good reasons
and in a fight against Hulk and Doomsday, Juggernaut won't be a big factor
Originally posted by Mindship
Plus spider-sense; and SM is a much better fighter from a height or while in the air (ie, jumping, clinging to walls, etc).Spider-Man webs the X-man to the ground in a splayed-out X-position (ya can't cut what ya can't reach). Spiderman can now do whatever he wants, but would probably give Logan some speech about being nicer then walk away.
oh right to suit your bias interpretation of how you WANT the fight to go down.
Originally posted by masterbruce
so you also think Ironman tried to kill Spiderman with an offensive beam rather than blind him?
I don't believe that statment had ANYTHING to do with the feat in question. 😕
Originally posted by masterbruce
no, it's not a popularity contestJuggernaut is more popular than DD
CBUB takes the votes of knowledgeable comic book readers, most of whom provide good reasons
and in a fight against Hulk and Doomsday, Juggernaut won't be a big factor
Then I call you a fool...
I'd say that's a matter of opinion since the results of the fights are based soley on ad populem.
And please, not a big factor? Aside from the fact that Juggernaught has beaten the Hulk already, and that physical abuse only slows him down, not stops him... it's ridiculous to think that he's a non-factor in a fight between the three. 😐
That still doesnt change the fact that there is still a posibility that Spiderman can smother Wolverine in webbing.
Yes Wolverine has got out of webbing before but he has not got out of a whole masive ****load.
Wolverine maybe able to bridge the gap but then again he might not especially since he has been caught on numerous ocassions by the webbing.
Originally posted by jinzin
I don't disagree.. possible? of course.. Plausible... I don't think so.Yes he has.. he was absolutel covered from boot to chest and he got out with ease.
He's also gotten out of it and closed the gap on those occasions.. but you seem to be ignoring that.
Yes I know but if Spiderman.....INCREASED the amount he wouldnt be able to get out would he?
As you stated Spiderman has never unleased his webbing at full force at Wolverine. Wolverine was covered in webbing got out but all Spiderman needs to do is increase the volume even further. Is this what your talking about?
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=9076822
That clearly shows that if Spiderman really wants to unleash his webbing Wolverine wont dodge. Furthermore where is Spiderman it seems that Spiderman webbed him up and left...wait a minute shouldnt the webbing have set by then?
Originally posted by jinzin
I don't believe that statment had ANYTHING to do with the feat in question. 😕
tell me this: in the scan where Peter webbed up Iron Man, do you think Ironman fired a repulsor blast at max power to kill Peter or he merely fired a bright light to blind Peter?
that was what me and Creshok were debating.
Originally posted by jinzinAnd please, not a big factor? Aside from the fact that Juggernaught has beaten the Hulk already, and that physical abuse only slows him down, not stops him... it's ridiculous to think that he's a non-factor in a fight between the three. 😐
Jugg is powerful, but he's not really THAT strong.
Hulk at base level is a match for Juggs, but if Hulk gets pissed, he gets exponentially stronger while Juggs remains the same.
And DD, if you know anything about him, is a couple classes above either of these two.
But thats another debate for another time.
Originally posted by jinzinI'd say that's a matter of opinion since the results of the fights are based soley on ad populem.
you're right, CBUB is popular opinion to a degree...but then, so is KMC. In the end, it usually isn't possible to say with certainty who wins on most good versus threads, so its just opinions anyways.
but CBUB, for the most part, do offer good reasons for their outcomes and don't just pull stuff out of their arse.
ok, I think we have gotten the debate down to just ONE issue:
whether Spiderman can web up Logan with full blast of his webbing.
the evidence says yes.
Logan supporters dismiss this by pointing out in the past that spiderman never webbed Logan.
My response? Well its a friggin comic book...do you know how boring it would be if Spiderman webbed Logan during their encounters? VERY BORING...fans on both sides want to see them duke it out, not one guy subduing the other.
Official conclusion: debate has been concluded, Spiderman webs Logan up ftw!
No more posts needed on this thread.
Originally posted by masterbruce
ok, I think we have gotten the debate down to just ONE issue:whether Spiderman can web up Logan with full blast of his webbing.
the evidence says yes.
Logan supporters dismiss this by pointing out in the past that spiderman never webbed Logan.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=9076822
😬 Obvoulsy somebody going to tell me that he got out of it....and again i'll say not if there was even more webbing.
Also the argument has been used that Wolverine can break out before it sets. It seems to me that Spiderman is long gone so the webbing must have set. Set webbing has been able to hold people much stronger than Wolverine.
Originally posted by jinzin
I don't disagree.. possible? of course.. Plausible... I don't think so.Yes he has.. he was absolutel covered from boot to chest and he got out with ease.
He's also gotten out of it and closed the gap on those occasions.. but you seem to be ignoring that.
POSSIBLE AND PLAUSIBLE Mean the same thing
Spidey webs wolvie up good then rips out his heart lungs liver kidneys and balls.
see all spidey has to do is leap twenty feet clear as soon as wolvies feet leave the ground wrap him midleap with fluid drag him to the john and hold his head underwater for two hours
logan is not strong enough to bench press a tank
but Spidey is.
and once peter webs him up good, guts him [coz his skin sure ain't made outta adamantium] and pins his arms down Hard in a wrestling hold And takes the air out of his lungs the battles over.
Originally posted by masterbruceYour reading comprehesnison skills suck monkey balls through a straw... Spiderman HAS webbed Wolverine up in the past several times. And you know what happenes? Wolverine gets out of it. I think there was even a time when there was so much webbing he was kinda spherical... but he still got out of it.
ok, I think we have gotten the debate down to just ONE issue:whether Spiderman can web up Logan with full blast of his webbing.
the evidence says yes.
Logan supporters dismiss this by pointing out in the past that spiderman never webbed Logan.
My response? Well its a friggin comic book...do you know how boring it would be if Spiderman webbed Logan during their encounters? VERY BORING...fans on both sides want to see them duke it out, not one guy subduing the other.
Official conclusion: debate has been concluded, Spiderman webs Logan up ftw!
No more posts needed on this thread.
Originally posted by don't shivHow about you try reading a Wolverine comic book for once in your life... Do you even know what happens when Wolverine fights a brick? His organs are liquified, because lets face it a multi ton hit is going to sorely mess him up but he "heals quickly" and they reform.
POSSIBLE AND PLAUSIBLE Mean the same thingSpidey webs wolvie up good then rips out his heart lungs liver kidneys and balls.
see all spidey has to do is leap twenty feet clear as soon as wolvies feet leave the ground wrap him midleap with fluid drag him to the john and hold his head underwater for two hours
logan is not strong enough to bench press a tank
but Spidey is.
and once peter webs him up good, guts him [coz his skin sure ain't made outta adamantium] and pins his arms down Hard in a wrestling hold And takes the air out of his lungs the battles over.
And that's even assuming Spiderman could get him into a prone position long enough to do that.
Originally posted by jinzin
I don't disagree.. possible? of course.. Plausible... I don't think so.Yes he has.. he was absolutel covered from boot to chest and he got out with ease.
He's also gotten out of it and closed the gap on those occasions.. but you seem to be ignoring that.
Now I'd have to say wolverine didn't get out of the webbing with ease he was up there for quite a while, and even when he decided to use the force from extracting his claws it still took him some time to get out, can he get out yes, with ease relative maybe but not that much.
But I think Alfheim has a point if Spidey did that to Logan again then unloaded a butt load of webbing all over Wolverines hands and face then would the force from logans claws be enough to pull the webbing apart again? I would have to say no not really, but I would also think it would be easier just to web Logans arms to his side and unload all his webbing on him so he couldn't move than trying to get him in that position again. Not that this would be easy but Spidey can still pull this off.
As for the uni beam thing I get the feeling the light Stark was producing was him charging the uni beam up and Pete webbed him before he fired, cause there was no way Stark had fired that thing before Pete webbed him up, maybe cause the suit was damaged (apparently not read it so I don't know) it took longer to fire than usual. As for Stark wanting to kill Pete maybe he thought well "Pete is gonna dodge, but if I fire at full power the after shock may be enough to put him off balance while dodging and it'll make my job easier to tag him" Or maybe because his suit was damaged full power wasn't Stark's usual full power..
Originally posted by Creshosk
How about you try reading a Wolverine comic book for once in your life... Do you even know what happens when Wolverine fights a brick? His organs are liquified, because lets face it a multi ton hit is going to sorely mess him up but he "heals quickly" and they reform.
Having one's spleen and kidneys and all that pulped is not immediately fatal. Neither is lung collapse. As long as his muscles and connective tissues are reasonably intact he can move and act through the pain while his insides adjust.
That's the beauty of my full body whip-crack suggestion. It directly attacks his ability to move his limbs and joints. That's very different from the pummeling and smashing he usually takes.
Originally posted by Sparkz
As for Stark wanting to kill Pete maybe he thought well "Pete is gonna dodge, but if I fire at full power the after shock may be enough to put him off balance while dodging and it'll make my job easier to tag him" Or maybe because his suit was damaged full power wasn't Stark's usual full power..
that doesn't make sense to me. Firing a unibeam at FULL POWER would drain alot of power...while an aftershock would have minimal, if any effect on Peter. thus pretty useless, and it would only accomplish Iron Man running out of power before the battle would end.