Wolverine vs. Spider-Man

Well I don't exactly subscribe to ommiting evidence.. Doing so strips the characters of the abilities and capabilities that we as readers have grown accustomed seeing these heroes perform thus forumlating our opinions of them...
I think any call to BS in concerns with feats is nothing more than a very subjective or bias mindset imposing self-importance over valid evidence.

There are of course extremes that are just past the point of ridiculous... Like if Wolverine punched the Hulk unconcious.. that would certainly be BS.. Wolverine being about as fast as Spiderman though? Nah.... that's just a contradiction to the benefit of the doubt that Spiderman's been given for years, not really an opposition to facts.

Originally posted by jinzin
Well I don't exactly subscribe to ommiting evidence.. Doing so strips the characters of the abilities and capabilities that we as readers have grown accustomed seeing these heroes perform thus forumlating our opinions of them...
I think any call to BS in concerns with feats is nothing more than a very subjective or bias mindset imposing self-importance over valid evidence.

There are of course extremes that are just past the point of ridiculous... Like if Wolverine punched the Hulk unconcious.. that would certainly be BS.. Wolverine being about as fast as Spiderman though? Nah.... that's just a contradiction to the benefit of the doubt that Spiderman's been given for years, not really an opposition to facts.

EDIT: If Cap can punch out Hulk why can't Logan? 😂

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Really? You give the wtf smiley to "Spiderman is faster than Wolverine" but not "Spiderman is more durable than Wolverine"?

It was because Soljer said that Spiderman was a "good bit" faster than Logan...

I remember Soljer making multiples of arguments in the past that hinged on Spiderman not being much faster than most peak human-like superheroes.
So to hear that from him.. I'm not sure if he's being serious or trying to bait me again. 😬

And I think that Spiderman IS more durable than Wolverine in terms of his bodies natural density, it's just that between Wolverine's Skeleton and HF he can take WAAAAAYYYYY more damage and get up... Durability's a tricky one like that.

Originally posted by jinzin
It was because Soljer said that Spiderman was a "good bit" faster than Logan...

I remember Soljer making multiples of arguments in the past that hinged on Spiderman not being much faster than most peak human-like superheroes.
So to hear that from him.. I'm not sure if he's being serious or trying to bait me again. 😬

And I think that Spiderman IS more durable than Wolverine in terms of his bodies natural density, it's just that between Wolverine's Skeleton and HF he can take WAAAAAYYYYY more damage and get up... Durability's a tricky one like that.

Yeah the outside is tougher with Spidey but Logan is different on the inside and how the body takes it because how quick;ey the healing factor fixes it. For example, I think the reason he can take Hulk punches is because his brain gets healed in say milli seconds, because of how fast it works on body parts it would take long for his brain to be zapped back or something. 😂 😉

Originally posted by Battlehammer

First of all Logans original character was disigned to be spidermans equal in every stat,

really? Logan was created to be Spiderman's hairy doppleganger? 😕

Originally posted by Grifter07
Old Spidey? Yes close but he was given an upgrade recently which makes him stronger faster etc. Which really could help.

EDIT: If Cap can punch out Hulk why can't Logan? 😂

He was given two upgrades.. and yet in spite of them his feats don't show that his speed had drastically increased past the point of one comment/hyperbole...

I mean look at his fights since the enhancements..

- He was getting tagged all over the ring by El Muerte
- He got owned twice by Captain America, one of those times he wasn't even able to land ONE hit to Cap's three.
- He got beaten back and nearly killed by X-23
- He got tagged in h2h by Iron Fist masking his movements and pretending he was Daredevil.
- He got tackled and held at claw point by Wolverine.
- Bum-rushed and stabbed by Wolverine in the stomach.
- Grabbed by the throat by Wolverine and held at claw point again.
- Karate chopped in the throat by Black Cat.

- His best feat thus far was owning Kingpin in supreme fashion... but it's outweighed by so much counter evidence it's hard to really present that as a standard...

The claim to enhancements doesn't mean anything if he keeps proving the claims invalid. 😬

yay, ok so now we have (according to Jinzin)

Spiderman is stronger

Spiderman is more agile with better reflexes

Spiderman is more durable

jeez, what else do we need to confirm Spiderman takes the majority?

Originally posted by masterbruce
really? Logan was created to be Spiderman's hairy doppleganger? 😕

lol.. I don't know about that, but more or less, yeah, his creators intent was to make a hero with the same speed, agility and strength as Spiderman... he just never reached that point after Byrne took creative control of the character.

Originally posted by jinzin
It was because Soljer said that Spiderman was a "good bit" faster than Logan...

I remember Soljer making multiples of arguments in the past that hinged on Spiderman not being much faster than most peak human-like superheroes.
So to hear that from him.. I'm not sure if he's being serious or trying to bait me again. 😬

And I think that Spiderman IS more durable than Wolverine in terms of his bodies natural density, it's just that between Wolverine's Skeleton and HF he can take WAAAAAYYYYY more damage and get up... Durability's a tricky one like that.

Spiderman IS a good bit faster than peak humans.

Not to the point that said peak humans are totally outclassed and unable to keep up in a fight, but you damned well better believe they have to work at it, while Spiderman can pretty much just relax.

Originally posted by masterbruce
yay, ok so now we have (according to Jinzin)

Spiderman is stronger

Spiderman is more agile with better reflexes

Spiderman is more durable

jeez, what else do we need to confirm Spiderman takes the majority?

Wolverine's durability is greater than the damage Spiderman can put out with his strength.

The speed difference isn't so great that it's too much of a factor either.

The damage Spiderman can do won't really have much of an effect. The damage wolverine can do will.

Wolverine also has a greater stamina due to the healing factor as well...

Spiderman will fatigue first.

Originally posted by masterbruce
yay, ok so now we have (according to Jinzin)

Spiderman is stronger

Originally posted by masterbruce
Spiderman is more agile with better reflexes

Originally posted by masterbruce
Spiderman is more durable

Originally posted by masterbruce
jeez, what else do we need to confirm Spiderman takes the majority?

Originally posted by Creshosk
More than just those stats I'm afraid. Because actually if you count healing factor as part of durability, Wolverine is more durable.

Wolverine's durability is greater than the damage Spiderman can put out with his strength.

The speed difference isn't so great that it's too much of a factor either.

The damage Spiderman can do won't really have much of an effect. The damage wolverine can do will.

Wolverine also has a greater stamina due to the healing factor as well...

Spiderman will fatigue first.

I agree with all that actually. Basically I think the argument just boils down to whether you believe if Spiderman unleashes a mega web blast, Logan will get trapped or not.

I believe Logan will, and the Wolverine supporters believe he won't. Simple as that.

Originally posted by Soljer
Spiderman IS a good bit faster than peak humans.

Not to the point that said peak humans are totally outclassed and unable to keep up in a fight, but you damned well better believe they have to work at it, while Spiderman can pretty much just relax.

I don't know about "relax" I mean, his feats certainly don't seem to indicate that at all.. ❌

Most peak human heroes reproduce the same levels of speed feats that Spiderman does on the daily... The only thing that Spiderman would have going for him there is that his endurance would allow him to go faster longer than most of his peak human opponents. No doubt that they have to "work at it" but Logan isn't exactly in the same boat as them either..

Originally posted by masterbruce
I agree with all that actually. Basically I think the argument just boils down to whether you believe if Spiderman unleashes a mega web blast, Logan will get trapped or not.

I believe Logan will, and the Wolverine supporters believe he won't. Simple as that.

So if he's been able to get out of webbing its hard to imagine that this time he won't.

Originally posted by jinzin
I don't know about "relax" I mean, his feats certainly don't seem to indicate that at all.. ❌

Most peak human heroes reproduce the same levels of speed feats that Spiderman does on the daily... The only thing that Spiderman would have going for him there is that his endurance would allow him to go faster longer than most of his peak human opponents. No doubt that they have to "work at it" but Logan isn't exactly in the same boat as them either..

As much as you'd like there to be otherwise - there isn't a shred of 'non biased evidence' that puts Logan on a level above peak human. 😐.

And this isn't a stab at you for the respect thread - I'm serious. I've seen absolutely nothing to make me believe he's faster than Captain America, or even the likes of Daredevil.

Originally posted by Creshosk
More than just those stats I'm afraid. Because actually if you count healing factor as part of durability, Wolverine is more durable.

Wolverine's durability is greater than the damage Spiderman can put out with his strength.

The speed difference isn't so great that it's too much of a factor either.

The damage Spiderman can do won't really have much of an effect. The damage wolverine can do will.

Wolverine also has a greater stamina due to the healing factor as well...

Spiderman will fatigue first.

I like this argument 🙂

Originally posted by Soljer
As much as you'd like there to be otherwise - there isn't a shred of 'non biased evidence' that puts Logan on a level above peak human. 😐.

And this isn't a stab at you for the respect thread - I'm serious. I've seen absolutely nothing to make me believe he's faster than Captain America, or even the likes of Daredevil.

Likewise there isn't a shred of evidence that makes Spiderman faster than Wolverine.. what does that tell you? 😬

Originally posted by jinzin
Spiderman's strength- Non-factor

Originally posted by jinzin
Spiderman's speed- Not superior to Logan's.. prove otherwise.

Originally posted by jinzin
Spiderman's webs- Proven ineffective unless Wolverine's clawless.

Originally posted by jinzin
Spiderman's smarts- Book smart.. Wolverine's far more strategically intelligent.

Originally posted by jinzin
Spiderman's a cooler character- H--wait.. cooler character? That's a reason for him to win fights here? 😕

Originally posted by jinzin
Likewise there isn't a shred of evidence that makes Spiderman faster than Wolverine.. what does that tell you? 😬

Originally posted by jinzin
Likewise there isn't a shred of evidence that makes Spiderman faster than Wolverine.. what does that tell you? 😬

That, unless you want to believe that Nightwing = Bucky = Captain America = Wolverine = Spiderman = Midnighter = Robin = Deathstroke....