Originally posted by Air LegendHow will a 2ton object do more damage than Spiderman can deliver in a punch? Especially since the car's weight is distributed to a larger area than Spiderman's punches?
Are you kidding me? Spiderman throws a car at Wolverine which knocks Wolvie out for a bit, then decapitates his head.
AND: http://img317.imageshack.us/my.php?image=r6r7xa5qq.jpg
Besides that KMC rules atte that they are in an arean setting to best prevent either side from having too much of an advaantage.
Spiderman won't beable to decapitate Wolverine where other things that have a better chance of being able to failed.
Originally posted by Air LegendSo you're trolling. Reported.
That's not a reason why he'd win, I just said that to provoke the fanboy vin
Originally posted by Creshosk
How will a 2ton object do more damage than Spiderman can deliver in a punch? Especially since the car's weight is distributed to a larger area than Spiderman's punches?
Tissue Damage has a direct correlation to pressure, which is F/A. F = MA, Spiderman throwing a punch has a very small mass behind his attack. Throwing a car, however, he has a MUCH greater mass, can imbue it with an insane acceleration, and can generate plenty of force.
The impulse and pressure of it hitting Logan won't be distributed over the entire volume of the car, but, rather, only the surface area where it actually connects with Logan.
Originally posted by Air Legend
Are you kidding me? Spiderman throws a car at Wolverine which knocks Wolvie out for a bit, then decapitates his head.
AND: http://img317.imageshack.us/my.php?image=r6r7xa5qq.jpg
Well let's ignore for the moment the fact that Wolverine was up walking around making snide remarks a minute later back in Tony's suite.... so that scan doesn't do much to prove.. well ANYTHING...
This fights in an arena setting.. no cars.. regardless.. Spiderman needing to use a car to beat Wolverine would be a win via plot device indirectly suggesting that he can't beat Logan on his own.
Originally posted by Air Legend
http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/6906/bio0058en.jpg
That's not proof.. it's hyperbole...
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It's not a feat, it's Peter bragging to MJ about what he THINKS he could do...
invalid...
Originally posted by Air Legend
Nope, without PIS involved, he'd web up his head.
you can say "nope" and pretend that the webs will be more effective than they've proven to be.. but FACTS say otherwise.
Originally posted by Air Legend
Not just book smarts. Spiderman constantly outsmarts his opponents in battle- it's one of his eminent traits.
What happens when Spiderman gets into fights with serious h2h fighters? What happens to his smarts then?
"He knows more about fighting than I could learn in 100 years.. He makes me feel like an amateur".
Originally posted by Air Legend😬
That's not a reason why he'd win, I just said that to provoke the fanboy vin
Originally posted by SoljerI still think that Spiderman's punches can do more damage than a car would be able to do.
Tissue Damage has a direct correlation to pressure, which is F/A. F = MA, Spiderman throwing a punch has a very small mass behind his attack. Throwing a car, however, he has a MUCH greater mass, can imbue it with an insane acceleration, and can generate plenty of force.The impulse and pressure of it hitting Logan won't be distributed over the entire volume of the car, but, rather, only the surface area where it actually connects with Logan.
Being hit by something 2 tons shouldn't have the same or greater force than something that can hit with even 10 tons. There's less air resistence on the fist as well as it doesn't cover as much surface area either. and a greater ration of force to surface area, a 213 grain bullet does more damage than a 1 pound bat, because of the greater force behind it.
Originally posted by jinzin
If all of their feats of speed are in the same league then who's to say otherwise past the point of subjective bias? 😬
Fine by me, but there goes Wolverine's speed advantage when pit against Robin.
And considering Robin's skill showings, it's not out of the realm of likelihood that he gets a single pressure-point shot and ends the fight. Healing Factor or not. 😐.
Originally posted by Creshosk
I still think that Spiderman's punches can do more damage than a car would be able to do.Being hit by something 2 tons shouldn't have the same or greater force than something that can hit with even 10 tons. There's less air resistence on the fist as well as it doesn't cover as much surface area either. and a greater ration of force to surface area, a 213 grain bullet does more damage than a 1 pound bat, because of the greater force behind it.
being hit by something 2 tons thrown by 10 ton force is greater than being hit be just 10 ton force.
Originally posted by Creshosk
I still think that Spiderman's punches can do more damage than a car would be able to do.Being hit by something 2 tons shouldn't have the same or greater force than something that can hit with even 10 tons. There's less air resistence on the fist as well as it doesn't cover as much surface area either. and a greater ration of force to surface area, a 213 grain bullet does more damage than a 1 pound bat, because of the greater force behind it.
No, a 213 grain bullet does more damage because it has a tiny surface area. It penetrates. Put a baseball on a tee and shoot it. See how far it goes.
Now use the baseball bat.
See how far you can knock it.
Force = mass * acceleration.
And comparing the difference in surface areas here isn't accurate - Spiderman's fist isn't that much smaller than the surface area of the car that will be hitting Wolverine.
The 16 square inch part of the bumper that would hit wolverine's forehead isn't that much larger than Spiderman's six square inch punch.
Originally posted by Creshosk
How will a 2ton object do more damage than Spiderman can deliver in a punch? Especially since the car's weight is distributed to a larger area than Spiderman's punches?Besides that KMC rules atte that they are in an arean setting to best prevent either side from having too much of an advaantage.
Spiderman won't beable to decapitate Wolverine where other things that have a better chance of being able to failed.
So you're trolling. Reported.
Originally posted by masterbruceSpiderman gets for free what the others get through training. That's why I call Spiderman a pseudo ninja, he has the moves and abilities without needing the training.
because we know better, Spiderman got enhanced powers through radiation whereas Robin is just a human that trains a lot.
A regular person with the enhanced speed, Spiderman gets through powers what the others get through training. If spiderman were to train like the others, then his speed would be unmatchable for them because he has a higer base as well as the trainiing speed.
for example if:
Base: 5
Training 20
Speed: 25
Base: 20
training: 5
Speed: 25
Base: 20
Training: 20
Speed: 40
See what I'm saying? These numbers are just an example to mathmatically illustrate the point.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Spiderman gets for free what the others get through training. That's why I call Spiderman a pseudo ninja, he has the moves and abilities without needing the training.A regular person with the enhanced speed, Spiderman gets through powers what the others get through training. If spiderman were to train like the others, then his speed would be unmatchable for them because he has a higer base as well as the trainiing speed.
for example if:
Base: 5
Training 20
Speed: 25Base: 20
training: 5
Speed: 25Base: 20
Training: 20
Speed: 40See what I'm saying? These numbers are just an example to mathmatically illustrate the point.
yeah i get what you're saying but Spiderman's attributes are above what training can possibly get
regular man (prebitten Parker): 5
peak man (batman): 20
meta-man (Parker after bite): 30
Originally posted by SoljerThat's kind of what I meant by
No, a 213 grain bullet does more damage because it has a tiny surface area. It penetrates. Put a baseball on a tee and shoot it. See how far it goes.Now use the baseball bat.
See how far you can knock it.
Force = mass * acceleration.
And comparing the difference in surface areas here isn't accurate - Spiderman's fist isn't that much smaller than the surface area of the car that will be hitting Wolverine.
The 16 square inch part of the bumper that would hit wolverine's forehead isn't that much larger than Spiderman's six square inch punch.
But you've still got a greater wind resistence cutting down on the speed of the object in question.
I still think that Spiderman's fist does more damage than being hit by a car... But maybe my relying on physics is keeping me from seeing how spiderman would even beable to pull a car out of his ass in the first place.
