Originally posted by Symmetric ChaosI'm not much of a fan of it myself...
I do soooo love dramatic irony 🙂
I prefer socratic irony, myself.
Originally posted by ApolloknightI made an argument, Soljer said I was wrong and then made the same argument and then said that I was wrong and that he was correcting me... even though we were saying the same damned thing. It went downhill after that.
What the hell happened in this thread.
Originally posted by Apolloknight
What the hell happened in this thread.
OK
Creshok said this:
I still think that Spiderman's punches can do more damage than a car would be able to do.
Being hit by something 2 tons shouldn't have the same or greater force than something that can hit with even 10 tons. There's less air resistence on the fist as well as it doesn't cover as much surface area either. and a greater ration of force to surface area, a 213 grain bullet does more damage than a 1 pound bat, because of the greater force behind it.
He meant to focus on the point about surface area. However because he misspelled ratio and his last line was "a 213 grain bullet does more damage than a 1 pound bat, because of the greater force behind it" Soljer responded with this:
No, a 213 grain bullet does more damage because it has a tiny surface area. It penetrates. Put a baseball on a tee and shoot it. See how far it goes.
Now use the baseball bat.
See how far you can knock it.
Force = mass * acceleration.
And comparing the difference in surface areas here isn't accurate - Spiderman's fist isn't that much smaller than the surface area of the car that will be hitting Wolverine.
The 16 square inch part of the bumper that would hit wolverine's forehead isn't that much larger than Spiderman's six square inch punch.
Then their massive egos clashed and the poorly developed insults began because they lacked insight into what the other was doing.
To reiterate. I love dramatic irony (it makes me feel smart)
Of course I could be completely wrong and just have made an ass of myself but if anyone calls me on it I will simply remain smug and claim they are intellectually inferior to me and thus unable to understand what I have said.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
OKCreshok said this:
I still think that Spiderman's punches can do more damage than a car would be able to do.Being hit by something 2 tons shouldn't have the same or greater force than something that can hit with even 10 tons. There's less air resistence on the fist as well as it doesn't cover as much surface area either. and a greater ration of force to surface area, a 213 grain bullet does more damage than a 1 pound bat, because of the greater force behind it.
He meant to focus on the point about surface area. However because he misspelled ratio and his last line was "a 213 grain bullet does more damage than a 1 pound bat, because of the greater force behind it" Soljer responded with this:
No, a 213 grain bullet does more damage because it has a tiny surface area. It penetrates. Put a baseball on a tee and shoot it. See how far it goes.
Now use the baseball bat.
See how far you can knock it.
Force = mass * acceleration.
And comparing the difference in surface areas here isn't accurate - Spiderman's fist isn't that much smaller than the surface area of the car that will be hitting Wolverine.
The 16 square inch part of the bumper that would hit wolverine's forehead isn't that much larger than Spiderman's six square inch punch.
Then their massive egos clashed and the poorly developed insults began because they lacked insight into what the other was doing.
To reiterate. I love dramatic irony (it makes me feel smart)
Of course I could be completely wrong and just have made an ass of myself but if anyone calls me on it I will simply remain smug and claim they are intellectually inferior to me and thus unable to understand what I have said.
I understood what he was doing. Which is why I've been stating that he's been saying the same thing I was.. or that I was saying the same thing he was... at any rate we were saying the same thing.
It happens frequently. I acknowledge that we're saying the same thing. He seems to think that I was wrong.. and thus I can only guess that he thinks that we're NOT saying the same thing.
And that's why I say I don't like dramatic irony. It's rather annoying.
But I'll state now that I agree with your assesment for the most part.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
OKCreshok said this:
I still think that Spiderman's punches can do more damage than a car would be able to do.Being hit by something 2 tons shouldn't have the same or greater force than something that can hit with even 10 tons. There's less air resistence on the fist as well as it doesn't cover as much surface area either. and a greater ration of force to surface area, a 213 grain bullet does more damage than a 1 pound bat, because of the greater force behind it.
He meant to focus on the point about surface area. However because he misspelled ratio and his last line was "a 213 grain bullet does more damage than a 1 pound bat, because of the greater force behind it" Soljer responded with this:
No, a 213 grain bullet does more damage because it has a tiny surface area. It penetrates. Put a baseball on a tee and shoot it. See how far it goes.
Now use the baseball bat.
See how far you can knock it.
Force = mass * acceleration.
And comparing the difference in surface areas here isn't accurate - Spiderman's fist isn't that much smaller than the surface area of the car that will be hitting Wolverine.
The 16 square inch part of the bumper that would hit wolverine's forehead isn't that much larger than Spiderman's six square inch punch.
Then their massive egos clashed and the poorly developed insults began because they lacked insight into what the other was doing.
To reiterate. I love dramatic irony (it makes me feel smart)
Of course I could be completely wrong and just have made an ass of myself but if anyone calls me on it I will simply remain smug and claim they are intellectually inferior to me and thus unable to understand what I have said.
Fixed. 😛.
Originally posted by Soljer
Nahh, Robin may start going a slight bit slower than Wolverine after a few miles, but he won't even notice the fatigue till then. Fifty yards? 😆.
I'm guessing you've never run a 400 sprint before.. 😐
Yes at 50 yards the lactic acids will already begin to build up in Robins hams and quads.. it will reduce the speed at which he runs.. By-and -large runners do no get negative splits unless it's in a distance race where that's part of the running strategy.
Wolverine will maitane optiumum speed levels for a longer duration... He'll easily be outsprinting Robin past the 50 yard marker... Hell BEST CASE scenario at the 80... To insinuate otherwise would lead me to believe that you just lied to Cresh when you told him you "don't speak ignorant".. 😐
Originally posted by Soljer
Robin's showings of skill versus Wolverine's 'rawr, snikt, bub!' routine?
Originally posted by Soljer
Are you kidding me? Robin has been portrayed as vastly most skilled than logan, on a regular basis.
He uses skill more often.. But his showings of skill are not on Logan's level... Unless he's also taken down ancient Japanese samurai demons.. 😕
Originally posted by Soljer
And, for the record, that issue set an unignorable precedent.
Yes because onelow showing outweighs a greater numberof higher showings that overshadow it right? ooooorrrrrr 🤨
Originally posted by jinzin
I'm guessing you've never run a 400 sprint before.. 😐
Indeed I have. I'm not Robin, though.
Originally posted by jinzin
Yes at 50 yards the lactic acids will already begin to build up in Robins hams and quads.. it will reduce the speed at which he runs.. By-and -large runners do no get negative splits unless it's in a distance race where that's part of the running strategy.
Wolverine will maitane optiumum speed levels for a longer duration... He'll easily be outsprinting Robin past the 50 yard marker... Hell BEST CASE scenario at the 80... To insinuate otherwise would lead me to believe that you just lied to Cresh when you told him you "don't speak ignorant".. 😐
Originally posted by jinzinAgain in terms of Wolverine's displays of skill. I would venture to say that he outstrips Robin... a kid who's been on the recieving end of multiple ass kickings by Harvy Dent.. 😐
Don't you dare act as if Wolverine doesn't have low showings - we're going by the average here. And, on average, Robin's black-belt-schooling-self shows WAY more skill than "Snikt Bub" logan. 😐.
Originally posted by jinzinHe uses skill more often.. But his showings of skill are not on Logan's level... Unless he's also taken down ancient Japanese samurai demons.. 😕
In one of his first showings. With no help from Batman. With absolute ease.
Originally posted by jinzin
Because they have regenerative abilities that can hal mortal wounds in nanoseconds right? 😐
Because Logan has high enough durability to withstand a barrage of punches from Superman. 😐.
A short knock out is still, by the forum rules, a knock out. All Robin needs is a couple seconds. Easy to get with a Grundy/Dianna-bitching punch.
Originally posted by AlfheimI think he DID stun him.. but KO him, that's COMPLETE speculation on your part.
The Hulk didnt really look like he was in pain just shocked or stunned. The point is that if Cap was stronger he could have Koed or stunned him.
Originally posted by AlfheimProbably because you're not a practitioner of martial arts... I am.. a number of P-points are not conclusive to knock outs..
Im pretty sure some presure points dont even hurt they just KO you.
Originally posted by Alfheim
I guess you could be right but as usual it looks like your giving Wolverine the benefit of the doubt and making excuses. An MA with sufficient skill should be able to KO Wolverine. Somehow I think Mantis could do it.
You love his fights with Shingen so much and yetyou've forgotten all about them here.. Shingen was using pressure points and nerve strikes designed to cripple, kill, and/or otherwise disable.. and he was doing that stuff to classic Wolverine before the HF upgrade WHILE Wolverine's HF was inhibited by poison... to come here and say that someone should be able to one shot P-point him is just F**king crazy... simply stone f*** crazy.. 😐
Originally posted by AlfheimHulk being affected by a pressure point doesn't prove that the same points used to take out bricks without HF's would do squat to Wolverine sorry but you're wrong.. 2+4 does not equate to KO... 😐
Yes because he has dropped Mr Hyde who has taken shots from Thor. Dont bother telling me that Mr Hyde doesnt have a healing factor, pressure points work just the same on people with healing factors as they do with people with superhuman durability. The Hulk example shows that.
Originally posted by Soljer
Indeed I have. I'm not Robin, though.
So now we're going to ignore the basic concepts and laws of human pysiology because?....
Originally posted by Soljer
Robin isn't an olympic long distance runner. He's a comic book long distance runner. He won't even notice his times dropping till at least a mile. Come on, this is ROBIN we're talking about here.
Robin could easily out perform real world adversaries.. but he's not outperforming Wolverine.. at 100% his speed will fatigue out far faster than Logan... I fail to see where you think this is even debateable..
Even Spiderman pooped himself out trying to fight Logan for a couple of minutes... Robin doesn't even have superhuman physiology.
Originally posted by SoljerBecause of his necessity for it.. in terms of when Logan is TRYING to use skill his "low showings" are few and far between his higher ones..
Don't you dare act as if Wolverine doesn't have low showings - we're going by the average here. And, on average, Robin's black-belt-schooling-self shows WAY more skill than "Snikt Bub" logan. 😐.
Originally posted by Soljerreally?
In one of his first showings. With no help from Batman. With absolute ease.
Originally posted by Soljer
Because Logan has high enough durability to withstand a barrage of punches from Superman. 😐.
It's possible after seeing WWH... 😐
But that's clearly besides the point.. Brick characters without healing factors can have their wounds stack up on them and wear them down.. where as wolverine HAS A HEALING FACTOR....
Originally posted by Soljer
A short knock out is still, by the forum rules, a knock out. All Robin needs is a couple seconds. Easy to get with a Grundy/Dianna-bitching punch.
You can't be Soljer.. Soljer far more reasonable and intelligent than this.. 😬
Originally posted by Creshosk
He still doesn't get it.😐
Even after SC spelled it out for him. He's still defending his ack of understanding...
Dude, we are saying the same damned thing. Get over it.
Pretty much.
No, we aren't. Because I never said that a bullet hits with more force than a bat.
We CAN'T be saying the same thing, because we said opposite things.
Me saying that a bullet does more damage because of a small surface area is NOT the same as you saying a bullet does more damage because of a small surface area and a greater force.
P !-> (P^Q) even if (P^Q) -> P.
Originally posted by jinzin
It's possible after seeing WWH... 😐
But that's clearly besides the point.. Brick characters without healing factors can have their wounds stack up on them and wear them down.. where as wolverine HAS A HEALING FACTOR....Well for one, Robin's not Batman.. two: once again lets ignore Wolverine's character, powers, history and feats to suggest that this is possible in spite of multiple evidence to the contrary..
❌You can't be Soljer.. Soljer far more reasonable and intelligent than this.. 😬
No, I most certainly CAN be Soljer.
Jinzin. You're getting slow.
I'm arguing ROBIN THE BOY FRIGGIN WONDER
against.
Wolverine. 😐.
You should have picked up on it by now. 313.
Originally posted by SoljerYeah... He totally doesn't get it.
No, we aren't. Because I never said that a bullet hits with more force than a bat.We CAN'T be saying the same thing, because we said opposite things.
Me saying that a bullet does more damage because of a small surface area is NOT the same as you saying a bullet does more damage because of a small surface area and a greater force.
P !-> (P^Q) even if (P^Q) -> P.
😐
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