Originally posted by Accel
The only pressure points he applied were a kick to the back of Hulk's leg and and he tried to put pressure on a nerve. Hulk wasn't stunned. He barely noticed.
Of course that why his eyes widened. Thats exactly what you do when you barely notice anything your eyes widen.
Originally posted by Accel
If Cap was stronger, Hulk would have felt it, but it is complete speculation to say it would have knocked him out.
Of coures its complete speculation. Hulk has been Koed by conventional means ie brute force therefore its speculation to think that he could be KOed by more advanced means. Do the math.
Originally posted by jinzin
No, it's speculation that the pressure point Cap used was one that could be adequately used to KO someone...
Something tells me that the reason why Cap picked that pressure point was to try and KO him. What you think Cap was doing it to make the Hulk laugh? Cap has KOed Namor with a pressure point to the neck and other humans as well. So no its not speculation
Originally posted by jinzin
And to a certain degree yes, the lasting effects of pressure points DON'T LAST on people with HFs we've already been over this.
I dont care wether you've been over this. Obvoulsy there is a limit to what they can take I dont know any top tier street leveler that can one shot the hulk with a pressur point, but I dont see why Mantis couldnt KO the Hulk in a fight.
Originally posted by jinzin
So it being a comic book means that basic concepts of the human anatomy change?Again, speculation, "it's a comic book so the effects of the pressure point will change for it's sake". 😐
Well somethings change fo example people getting powers from radiation. Writers obvoulsy invent pressure points....gezzzzz. What you think all the writers are experts at MA? Do the math for god sake.
Originally posted by jinzin
Thusly; It's a comic book, broken necks won't cause death or paralysis to victims... 😐Again, there are SOME pressure points that can KO people.. The one that Cap used? Isn't one of them, it doesn't run along those maridians in the human body.
Its a bloody comicbook. What all the writers are MA experts and no Cap has used pressure points on the neck to KO people.
Originally posted by jinzin
You're missing the point... DD doesn't know pressure points that are more effective for bricks.. he just knows pressure points.. because there aren't any pressure points specifically designed to bring down bricks, and bricks have by-and-large the same anatomy as none bricks... so you're call to doubt is rather moot...
Im not missing any god damn point obvoulsy if DD can drop MR Hyde hes very good at it.
Originally posted by jinzin
Besides that you're missing the point... If anyone could 1 shot Logan with a pressure point it would have been Shingen at that moment... It didn't happen, even with multiples of circumstances that don't effect Logan in a fight on the forums it STILL didn't happen..
Does shingen have better pressure points feats than DD? No.
Originally posted by jinzin
Obviously?Pfffttttt BWAHA! SHow me one scan of someone doing something like that...
Just one....
The only one I know of is Mantis Koing Thor. Beast has a HF as well I guess if Mantis used a presure point on Beast it woudlnt work.
Originally posted by jinzin
And again, YES Hulk is immune to pressure points to a degree.. He's not effected by them for very long, hell his HF is even more potent than Logan's so NO.. NO ONE is going to one shot Hulk with a pressure point.
Hes immune to a degree? Its not going to affect him for very long? Could you be more specific? Yeah the Hulk is also immune to a right hook to a degree as well.
Originally posted by jinzin
Christ, it's like talking to a wall.. I guess I shouldn't really expect an intelligent response..NO THE END RESULT IS NOT THE SAME... With most bricks, pain can stack up, cause wear and tear, with characters who have healing factors, there IS NO WEAR AND TEAR...
The end result is the same in the sense they end up flat on their back . Gezzz.
Originally posted by jinzin
Which is completely different from pressure points so it doesn't do a damned thing to prove your point.
The point is that the end result is the same.
Originally posted by jinzin
Different attack type, also moot.
The point is that the end result is the same. The HF changes NOTHING, they both end up flat on their back.
Originally posted by jinzin
Because getting knocked out from a concussive blow is ENTIRELY different than having your meridians shut down on you.. you're body goes through DIFFERENT processes for a KO to result.. it's that simple.
No its not people with HF obvoulsy have a limit. You might as well say that people with HF cant get KOed or druged but they can it depends on how powerful the drug or force is. Obvoulsy there are degrees to which a pressure point can be affected.
Originally posted by AlfheimDo you even know what speculation means?
Of course that why his eyes widened. Thats exactly what you do when you barely notice anything your eyes widen.Of coures its complete speculation. Hulk has been Koed by conventional means ie brute force therefore its speculation to think that he could be KOed by more advanced means. Do the math.
Originally posted by Soljer
Ever get bitten by a mosquito?
You go "ow" when you get bitten by a mosquito because it hurts. The pressur point that Cap aimed for wasnt designed to hurt but KO him. Since there was no reaction to pain and hes eyes widened we could say that he got briefly stunned.
Cap has used pressure points on the neck 100s of times to KO people on the neck that didnt hurt but simply Koed them. If it didnt hurt what did it do?
Originally posted by Alfheim
You go "ow" when you get bitten by a mosquito because it hurts. The pressur point that Cap aimed for wasnt designed to hurt but KO him. Since there was no reaction to pain and hes eyes widened we could say that he got briefly stunned.Cap has used pressure points on the neck 100s of times to KO people on the neck that didnt hurt but simply Koed them. If it didnt hurt what did it do?
Hundreds of times? Really?
And it didn't hurt at all? Just knocked them out?
Well, since you've seen all several-hundred of these times, why don't you go ahead and post a couple. Not all of them, that'd be WAY too time consuming.
Let's go with about...ten percent.
Show me fifty times that Cap's used a pressure point in the neck that didn't hurt a person, but knocked them out.
Go for it. 🙂.
Originally posted by Soljer
Hundreds of times? Really?And it didn't hurt at all? Just knocked them out?
Well, since you've seen all several-hundred of these times, why don't you go ahead and post a couple. Not all of them, that'd be WAY too time consuming.
Let's go with about...ten percent.
Show me fifty times that Cap's used a pressure point in the neck that didn't hurt a person, but knocked them out.
Go for it. 🙂.
Well theres Namor underwater. He didnt make a sound he just stopped moving.
As for the cases all they did is go "unggghh", I dunno man that doesnt sound like it hurts
Dont you think if the pressure point hurt he might have gone ow or something?
Ever get punched in the face? "Unnggghhh" is a lot more likely than "ow."
Regardless, my point still remains; Cap has NOT pressure pointed people in the neck 'hundreds of times.'
And you CERTAINLY can't prove that he did so without causing pain.
You can't bullshit a bullshitter, my friend. And you can't cap-bullshit a bullshitter who also happens to be a Captain America fan.
Originally posted by Soljer
Ever get punched in the face? "Unnggghhh" is a lot more likely than "ow."
Ok thats true but some people have been KOed before and they ahve never felt anything either. All they remember is landing on the deck, so it could still apply.
Originally posted by Soljer
Regardless, my point still remains; Cap has NOT pressure pointed people in the neck 'hundreds of times.'
Not literially hundreds but it seems alot. I can think of at least three examples.
1. Namor underwater.
2. The Power bokers scientist
3. Ultimatum terrosrits.
Im sure there are others.
Originally posted by Soljer
And you CERTAINLY can't prove that he did so without causing pain.You can't bullshit a bullshitter, my friend. And you can't cap-bullshit a bullshitter who also happens to be a Captain America fan.
If they didnt say anything at all. I think this could be a good case for it not hurting. Not 100 percent but a good case.
Wow..
So, according to alfheim here, I myself have beaten black belts in sparring sessions hundreds of times.
I mean, I can think of at least three.
God damn, I'm good.
Not saying anything doesn't necessarily mean that you weren't hurt.
The nociceptors still fire, the tissue is still damaged, and the brain can still register pain, but the person injured can easily not have enough time to react to say 'ow.'
Check out some of the boxing or MMA knock outs. Some of those are one-hitter-quitters, so to speak. They never said 'ow;' they just hit the deck.
Originally posted by Soljer
Wow..So, according to alfheim here, I myself have beaten black belts in sparring sessions hundreds of times.
I mean, I can think of at least three.
God damn, I'm good.
Not saying anything doesn't necessarily mean that you weren't hurt.
The nociceptors still fire, the tissue is still damaged, and the brain can still register pain, but the person injured can easily not have enough time to react to say 'ow.'
Check out some of the boxing or MMA knock outs. Some of those are one-hitter-quitters, so to speak. They never said 'ow;' they just hit the deck.
Fair enough. Im just gonna have to agree with you there. It may have stunned it may not have there is nothing to say for hundred percent that it did.
I still say however that if Cap was stronger that it could have possibly been a KO.