Wolverine vs. Spider-Man

Originally posted by Alfheim
Something tells me that the reason why Cap picked that pressure point was to try and KO him. What you think Cap was doing it to make the Hulk laugh? Cap has KOed Namor with a pressure point to the neck and other humans as well. So no its not speculation

Like Cresh said.. do you even know what the word means? 😐

Cap was trying to get Hulk's big ass out the door and away from the civilian.. it wasn't implied to be for a KO and if it WAS meant to be a KO shot then that should tell you that you can't KO someone with a P-point who has an impresive HF.. either way you look at it, it tears apart a piece of your argument. 😐

Originally posted by Alfheim
I dont care wether you've been over this. Obvoulsy there is a limit to what they can take I dont know any top tier street leveler that can one shot the hulk with a pressur point, but I dont see why Mantis couldnt KO the Hulk in a fight.

I know you don't care.. that's why arguing with you is like talking to a wall.
I don't know why you don't know why that can't happen when it's been spelled out for you multiple times... HEALING.... FACTOR.... DAMN.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Well somethings change fo example people getting powers from radiation. Writers obvoulsy invent pressure points....gezzzzz. What you think all the writers are experts at MA? Do the math for god sake.

Radioactive Spider powers that came out of the 60's is one thing, ignoring human anatomy, how it works, and straight up making stuff up about it is another..

Again, a man's heart explodes.. but he doesn't die because it's comics.. according to your train of thought, that's okay.. (and there's something wrong with that train of thought)

Originally posted by Alfheim
Its a bloody comicbook. What all the writers are MA experts and no Cap has used pressure points on the neck to KO people.

I'm tired of dealing with this nonsense right now.. I'll cover the rest of your insane ranting later.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
just to end this little arguement. ECHO TRIED PRESSURE POINTS ON WOLVERINE AND ALL IT DID WAS MAKE HIM MAD

Ok Echo has KOed class 85 bricks? No. Thats the end of that.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Ok Echo has KOed class 85 bricks? No. Thats the end of that.

Originally posted by Soljer
Luckily, my friend, you've made a name for yourself - especially in street threads.

And none of the regulars really take your opinion seriously. 🙂.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Ok Echo has KOed class 85 bricks? No. Thats the end of that.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
would it matter? she still used pressure points.........her pressure points arnt any less effective then some one else.........oh by the way.......she was using DD fighting style so your whole point is mute.

No its not the bloody point is that DD is better than Echo. There is no proof to indicat otherwise.

Originally posted by Alfheim
No its not the bloody point is that DD is better than Echo. There is no proof to indicat otherwise.

The only differences is that she does not have radar sense.........

again pressure points are pressure points if they fail to work the fail to work no matter how good you are.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
actaully her power is to perfectly mimic DD fighting style so your poitns mute again.

The only differences is that she does not have radar sense.........

Well do you know for a fact that she mimicked DDs pressur point skills. Just because you wtach somebody does not mean you havbe all of their skills. Taskmaster knows Caps moves but doesnt know everything and most of the fights ive seen DD in he doesnt use pressur points.

Originally posted by Battlehammer

again pressure points are pressure points if they fail to work the fail to work no matter how good you are.

I disagree. Obvoulsy some people are better at manipulating pressur points than other. Mantis Koed Thor with one shot to the neck. Something tells me if Cap did that it wouldnt work.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Well do you know for a fact that she mimicked DDs pressur point skills. Just because you wtach somebody does not mean you havbe all of their skills. Taskmaster knows Caps moves but doesnt know everything and most of the fights ive seen DD in he doesnt use pressur points.

I disagree. Obvoulsy some people are better at manipulating pressur points than other. Mantis Koed Thor with one shot to the neck. Something tells me if Cap did that it wouldnt work.

Difference is echo has vast knowledge of DD fightign style. She trained alone side him, he the reason she a super hero.........not tomention she was trained by stick the same guy who trained DD.

actaully a pressure point is a pressure point. If a pressure point attack fails it not aoll of a sudden gunna work for some one elese...........

mantis also has the strength to by pass thors durability. Capt does not........and yoru whole arguement is speculation.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Difference is echo has vast knowledge of DD fightign style. She trained alone side him, he the reason she a super hero.........not tomention she was trained by stick the same guy who trained DD.

Ok fair enough then.

Originally posted by Battlehammer

actaully a pressure point is a pressure point. If a pressure point attack fails it not aoll of a sudden gunna work for some one elese...........

mantis also has the strength to by pass thors durability. Capt does not........and yoru whole arguement is speculation.

No she did not. When she did it she had the strength of a women who engaged in regular intensive exercise. So no its not speculation.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Ok fair enough then.

No she did not. When she did it she had the strength of a women who engaged in regular intensive exercise. So no its not speculation.

yet she would do strength of feats that were clearly super human........

yes it is speculation to say capt could not do the same pressure point given the chance.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
yet she would do strength of feats that were clearly super human........

Who what were when? Give me scans that show that she had superhuamn strength. Bullshit.

Originally posted by Battlehammer

yes it is speculation to say capt could not do the same pressure point given the chance.

Meh Cap Koed a mind controlled Namor underwater but in most showings all he does is hurt somebody in class 100. To be fair I think he can do it but with one shot...nah.

Wait where did you get the info Echo was trained by Stick and DD?

Originally posted by Alfheim
Wait where did you get the info Echo was trained by Stick and DD?

it a known fact she has trained and fought along DD.

why do you think DD told capt about echo............

Originally posted by Alfheim
Wait where did you get the info Echo was trained by Stick and DD?

Originally posted by Soljer
Luckily, my friend, you've made a name for yourself - especially in street threads.

And none of the regulars really take your opinion seriously. 🙂.

Originally posted by Creshosk

So I dindt know that Echo was trained by Stick and DD, big deal. When I do know the facts im not baised. The "regulars" who think im a joke are Wolverine fanboys with their baised arguments.

Originally posted by Kid Kurdy
To be expected reply of Creshosk : He'll just mumble something like "fallacy of exclusion". He likes those words.

Originally posted by 8bitChris
Creshok, word to the wise, stop using all the fallacy and logic crap.

A large part of debating is knowing your audience. We're just comic book fans. Any attempt you make at sounding superior by using the same fallacy terms over and over again is just making you come off like an elitist and arrogant prick. Nobody on this board actually gives a, you know what, about them.

The fact that you are guilty of most of the fallacy terms you use doesn't help either.

Originally posted by Zahit
Actually it makes him sound like a nerd......

Originally posted by 8bitChris
You havn't touched a nerve Cresh. You're just getting called on your condescending attitude.

And if that is the best of your abilities, then i'm sorry.

See what I did there? Was that an appeal to pity?

Or wait, what was your last post, an appeal to ridicule?

I'm sorry, but after reading "fallacy of exclusion" for the 50th time it gets a little annoying. And a lot of the time it is unwarranted. I mean, if the person hasn't had the time to read 80 pages of thread or is ignorant of the comic people are using as a source than they arn't neccesarily excluding any information they know of.

Oh and like I said, if you going to use all these logical fallacies in an arguement titled "Wolverine vs. Spiderman" than there is a stick shoved up somewhere it shouldn't be. At least adhere to them if you're going to cite them to refute everyones' points.

What do I use to argue? Common sense. 😛

Originally posted by willRules
OK Creshosk I am going to assume I can point out these characters stats without this fallacy stuff being thrown at me.

Originally posted by Zahit
well.....
you certainly LOVE throwing around phrases only a
captain of a high school debating team or a lawyer
or an idiot-savant or an african-grey parrot would use.....

so which one are you?

Originally posted by Zahit
were you picked on at school?

Originally posted by Creshosk

What difference does it make? 😆

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=461864

Originally posted by Da Pittman
I have noticed that people love to point out fallacies that other people use in their debates as if it makes their points valid. I remember going over them back in college and we talked about it for awhile and how it is almost impossible for you to have a debate without using one or more in your argument so why do people like to point them out if they are using them themselves?

Logical Fallacies

Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
Wrong.

You've committed the fallacy of humble aptitude for a start, as well as the 'man walking with a basket' fallacy, and the way of the shining oak regressive error.

Originally posted by Alfheim
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=461864

alf...............if you made a thread about who the better debater you or cres.........cres would in a curb stomp. Most of the people you quoted are idiots any ways the only actaully intelligent one is willrules

Originally posted by Alfheim
Im not missing any god damn point obvoulsy if DD can drop MR Hyde hes very good at it.

you clearly ARE missing the point if you think that DD bringing down bricks is the same as him bringing down people with a healing factor.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Does shingen have better pressure points feats than DD? No.

Anywas.. You're STILL missing the point if P-point shots were going to KO Logan they would have done it there.. they didn't.. why?

HEALING FACTOR.

Originally posted by Alfheim
The only one I know of is Mantis Koing Thor. Beast has a HF as well I guess if Mantis used a presure point on Beast it woudlnt work.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Hes immune to a degree? Its not going to affect him for very long? Could you be more specific? Yeah the Hulk is also immune to a right hook to a degree as well.

wow... it's like you're not even reading these posts..

Originally posted by Alfheim
The end result is the same in the sense they end up flat on their back . Gezzz.

THE WAY to get the end result is DIFFERENT geeez..

A man dies of a heart attack..
A man dies of a gun shot..

obviously a heart attack and a gun shot are totally and utterly equivolent right?

Originally posted by Alfheim
The point is that the end result is the same.

It's a skewed point.

Originally posted by Alfheim
The point is that the end result is the same. The HF changes NOTHING, they both end up flat on their back.

wow....

So the fact that Wolverine walked out of a plane crash that KOed both Luke Cage and Spiderman doesn't fget attributed to his HF?

The fact that Logan STAYED CONCIOUS AND FIGHTING while being hit by P-points designed to cripple and kill ISN'T attributed to his HF?

You're as much a joke as ever.

Originally posted by Alfheim
No its not people with HF obvoulsy have a limit. You might as well say that people with HF cant get KOed or druged but they can it depends on how powerful the drug or force is. Obvoulsy there are degrees to which a pressure point can be affected.

And degrees to which it can affect..

Sorry, it's been over a month. The beast must live again! nuts