Your take on cloning and genetics.

hmmmmm

I believe the probability they gave him of having a dodgy heart in the film was 99%- that is a 99% chance he would have died on take-off. Something his employers deserved to know! Like I say, it's the only part of the film that didn't quite work. The rest of it- you don't need to be enhanced to be clever, being enchanced doesn't guarantee you luck or happiness- and the society what it might create- was all bang on.

if he did die on take off, then it would belittle the whole movie and his efforts of being somthing he was told he couldnt. To me the movie was about humanity and the will that humans posses to become somthing more. in life and in most movies there is always somthing standing in the way of a "hero" whether it be a foe or an intagible force and in this movie the foe was genetics. an un forseen destiny ar birth standing in the way of his dream. If he died at the end it would basically be saying dont chase dreams or wish for somthing more because its a futile fight, thats what i took away from the movie atleast

Yes, but that is still contrary to the whole point about it being a world where people's genetic dispositions are known with almost total accuracy.

ANYWAY. Best not get bogged down with this outside the movie area!

Most of you probably didn't think of the most realistic yet cynical case scenario of cloning. It isn't an army of supermen to opress us, or mankind being used as cattle fodder. (Though these are in the equasions as well.)

The real threat is indennity theft.

Yes members, indenity theft. Where does YOU begin and stop? The genetic code of your being? The "soul"? Be prepared to give an answer because if liberals have thier way you'll be sharing what is rightfuly "you" with your clone. Court battles will be fought if you get to be Mrs.Nesbit or have to have a new idennity because the courts said your clone deserved it moreso.

There will also be affirmative action taken against clones, despite how they didn't HAVE to exsist.

There will also be moral questions such as "is it cheating on my spouse if I sleep with thier clone?" and don't think for one second this won't come up.

You could try and argue that if they are your clone they think like you do and therfore wouldn't subject themselves to such debautchery and confusion, but again, where does you begin and end? Is it true we're just organism and know actual soul inherits our body? If so you have nothing to worry about.. a little..

Even if there is no soul outside exposure takes a toll on our personality, having to come to terms that you are a copy of this man or woman is alot to bare. It could possibly be mentaly scarring. So much questioning of who we are, and what is rightfuly our's, and the legal system will be on it's knees with everything from infidelity to murder because all things we've been given to tell one person from another would become moot.

And here I thought liberals wanted everyone to be an individual..

I really dont care

Originally posted by Napalm
I really dont care

But you care about making people understand that you don't care?

Thank you for your considered and inspirational exploration into your personal nihilist philosophy.

There are two ways it can go, in my opinion.

Either we'll do the sensible thing and learn to use clones as a slave caste, or, we'll do the not so sensible thing and some third world idiot country will try to use clones to upset the balance of millitary power.

Since clones are by definition not natural beings, they do not deserve any sort of 'human' rights. They aren't humans, their clones. Created synthetically for a pre-determined purpose. Frankly I have no problem with a caste of clone slaves. We could just breed them to be intelligent but submissive. It wouldn't be difficult.

Originally posted by Sniper_sloth
There are two ways it can go, in my opinion.

Either we'll do the sensible thing and learn to use clones as a slave caste, or, we'll do the not so sensible thing and some third world idiot country will try to use clones to upset the balance of millitary power.

Since clones are by definition not natural beings, they do not deserve any sort of 'human' rights. They aren't humans, their clones. Created synthetically for a pre-determined purpose. Frankly I have no problem with a caste of clone slaves. We could just breed them to be intelligent but submissive. It wouldn't be difficult.

Good example of the kind of mentality we should be concerned about.

I have genetics and if I have identical twins they will be clones 😕 just not of me but of each other!

Genetics joke:

Question: Where do you find Mitosis?
Answer: On the end of my feetsis 🙂

Sorry bad joke probably caused by frame-shift or deletion mutation 😄

Seriously clones of adult cells develop Cancer very quickly due to the "VCR Recorder" effect. i.e. Dolly the sheep 🙁

Originally posted by The Omega
With such a wide distribution of people, from all over the world, I'm curious to learn your opinion on genetics and cloning.
Yes? No?

Could be useful, for making new human livers and stuff. But cloning entire humans is a little creepy... I don't really want ten of anybody walking around 😖

I agree with DR for different reasons tho
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Originally posted by Sniper_sloth
There are two ways it can go, in my opinion.

Either we'll do the sensible thing and learn to use clones as a slave caste, or, we'll do the not so sensible thing and some third world idiot country will try to use clones to upset the balance of millitary power.

Since clones are by definition not natural beings, they do not deserve any sort of 'human' rights. They aren't humans, their clones. Created synthetically for a pre-determined purpose. Frankly I have no problem with a caste of clone slaves. We could just breed them to be intelligent but submissive. It wouldn't be difficult.

Clones aren't somehow genetically inferior. Using clones as slaves is a very stupid, shortsighted idea. It would turn into a huge, "are clones human" type of debate, like we had when people were starting to question the same thing with african slaves.

And to say it wouldn't be difficult clearly shows that you have no idea how complex the human genome is.

I personally don't agree with it it kinda ruins the idea that everyones unique its not natural don't we have enough man made things, and how would they feel on acount that they have been cloned

I'm all for cloning. Not just a liver...but the whole damn show! Genetic research and cloning are the future of the human species...even if the bible thumpers want to deny that as fact. I say, if there's a god who alone creates life...lets clone someone and see if it has a soul or emotions. At that point, I would hope the debate on gods abolute power would be over. It's something equivelent to finding life on another planet.

The bad thing about cloning is that if it ever got to the point where the majority of the population were clones of somebody, genetic diversity would go down the tubes. There's a reason animals reproduce sexually, and it's because we need genetic diversity to evolve, and ultimately to survive.

Originally posted by Darth Revan
The bad thing about cloning is that if it ever got to the point where the majority of the population were clones of somebody, genetic diversity would go down the tubes. There's a reason animals reproduce sexually, and it's because we need genetic diversity to evolve, and ultimately to survive.

Let's not remove from the facts that humans are animals too. Animals that seem to enjoy reproducing. Don't worry, I highly doubt that sex will become unpopular among humans.

So do I, but humans are rather unusual in that we are one of the few animals who have sex for the purpose of having sex... Not always with the intention of actual reproduction. It's not inconceivable that somebody could decide actual sexual reproduction is obsolete once cloning is perfected.

We are reaching a point when we can produce the shifts in DNA without evolution. Say I gave as a physical example everyone, Greg Lamont's resting pulse rate, or Sugar Ray Leonards nervous system etc, etc.