Originally posted by InsomniatricYikes. Feel like I'm reading an excerpt from CNN Sports, with better debating.
At least you're finally admitting that JDS didn't fight like a punk, it seems you've progressed from blind denial. Not sure what point you were really trying to make with that remark though.You apparently have never heard of a fighter making improvements to their game plan, not that that's a surprise or anything though.
Again, I never denied this. Cain won and is the better man. He was not the better man in the first fight, JDS exposed a big hole in Cain's defense. That's what happened. You're the only one who doesn't realize this, which is sad given how many times I've explained it.
Upset =/= luck. It means that the underdog was underestimated.
I've defended my opinion multiple times and have actually given you some technical information and shown that I actually know what I'm looking at when I watch a fight. You have yet to successfully rebut any of my arguments, and you just keep repeating the same thing over and over. It's the tell-tale sign of someone who really has nothing to say but can't admit defeat, other users have even pointed this out to you since we've began debating.
Do you even realize how hypocritical you sound? You get on my case for pointing out the fact that Anderson Silva is 38 years old and not in his physical prime, but then you claim Cain only loses when he's not 100%. And I also feel that I should tell you that NO FIGHTER is 100% healthy during the fight (this includes JDS). Cain is not 100% guaranteed to beat anyone, especially the guy that put his lights out with one shot 64 seconds into the fight. Cain is better, but he doesn't have JDS's number.
JDS's walking around weight is 240 lbs with no fat on him. Jones's walking around weight is 225-230lbs with fat on him. It's hilarious that you think THAT is the same size. Why does Jones want to put on weight before he moves up? Because every fighter there is larger than him, including Dos Santos.
Daniel Cormier has much more body fat on him than JDS does and weighs less, meaning he's naturally smaller than him and thus would have a much easier time dropping a weight class than JDS would. JDS would have to lose a substantial amount of muscle (which would cause his performance to suffer) to drop down, because he has no fat to lose and can't drop 35 lbs of water weight and remain healthy for a fight.
Not to mention, JDS has probably never cut weight a day in his life. Let's start him off with 35 lbs though, right?
JDS and Jones are 10-15 lbs apart in the picture with the larger man being all muscle and the smaller man having an uncharacteristic amount of fat on him. You may as well tell me that Brock Lesnar and Roy Nelson are naturally the same size. What do you think Jones would look like if he weighed 240 lbs? Do you think he'd look as defined as JDS does? No? Maybe that's because he's not naturally as large as him, despite the fact that he's one of the biggest LHWs in the UFC.
Cain and Fedor are both naturally much smaller than Junior Dos Santos. If Junior had the same body fat percentage as Fedor, he'd weigh like 255 lbs. Cain also has a much higher body fat percentage than JDS, meaning he can lose fat and then cut water weight for a much healthier move to 205 than JDS could ever achieve.
I also said he's smaller than the top contenders he fought, I like how you conveniently left that out though.
He failed to repeat it because Cain fought with a much better game plan. He pressured JDS more and thus made him wear out quicker. Just rewatch the fights, notice the difference in the way Cain comes out.
He only has 14 fights and failed on his first title defense, lasting less time than anyone who has ever held a belt and lost it. Doesn't sound so "perfect" to me.
There's the difference between Cain and JDS: Cain needs 100 strikes, JDS needs one. Knocking Hunt out cold > cutting Brock's cheek open.
If you think he doesn't need a submission game, you are definitely new to this sport. If you can't defend a submission, then I suggest he keep the fight standing against Werdum and stays the hell away from the clinch as well.
I said prime Anderson was better than Weidman, but Weidman is better than old Anderson.
It doesn't take a genius to see that JDS would never be able to make a healthy cut to 205, I even explained it to you in detail and showed pictures to prove my point. You rebutted by mentioning that Daniel Cormier, a man who is naturally much smaller than JDS, and hasn't even fought at 205 yet, may fight there IN THE FUTURE, and that somehow means that JDS could as well.
Cain is the better fighter, but can't beat him 10/10 times, and therefore doesn't have his number. I've said this since the beginning, if I even once said otherwise, please show me.
You have yet to defend any of your "points" and have showed absolutely no knowledge of the sport. You just keep repeating the same thing over and over again no matter how thoroughly I disprove what you say.
If you can tell me how setting up an overhand right with a jab is luck and not skill, you may have a point. Since we all know you probably don't even know a jab from an overhand, I think it's safe to assume that you will have no actual rebuttal and will just repeat the same old thing and insult me childishly like you've been doing the whole time.
It's funny that you think you're actually winning this debate, seeing as how you have yet to even bring up something worth mentioning, and can't defend any of the weak points that you do bring up with anything even resembling technical knowledge, or even basic logic.
Not much for Idol—in fact I've never seen it—but damn this is a good cover.
Originally posted by Insomniatric
At least you're finally admitting that JDS didn't fight like a punk, it seems you've progressed from blind denial. Not sure what point you were really trying to make with that remark though.
Originally posted by Insomniatric
You apparently have never heard of a fighter making improvements to their game plan, not that that's a surprise or anything though.
Originally posted by Insomniatric
Again, I never denied this. Cain won and is the better man. He was not the better man in the first fight, JDS exposed a big hole in Cain's defense. That's what happened. You're the only one who doesn't realize this, which is sad given how many times I've explained it.Upset =/= luck. It means that the underdog was underestimated.
I've defended my opinion multiple times and have actually given you some technical information and shown that I actually know what I'm looking at when I watch a fight. You have yet to successfully rebut any of my arguments, and you just keep repeating the same thing over and over. It's the tell-tale sign of someone who really has nothing to say but can't admit defeat, other users have even pointed this out to you since we've began debating.
It is. What are you going to claim next, that lions=/=cats, lol?
Your defense has been even poorer than that of JDS' in his last rematch against Cain. You've relied on appeals to authority, flimsy evidence, have presented your own take on events as objective fact and whatnot. Those are dishonest debating tactics, which is why you've gotten thoroughly and utterly demolished in this argument. No wonder you idolize people like JDS who're similarly unable to actually mount up a defense against someone like Cain in an actual pro fight.
Originally posted by Insomniatric
Do you even realize how hypocritical you sound? You get on my case for pointing out the fact that Anderson Silva is 38 years old and not in his physical prime, but then you claim Cain only loses when he's not 100%. And I also feel that I should tell you that NO FIGHTER is 100% healthy during the fight (this includes JDS). Cain is not 100% guaranteed to beat anyone, especially the guy that put his lights out with one shot 64 seconds into the fight. Cain is better, but he doesn't have JDS's number.JDS's walking around weight is 240 lbs with no fat on him. Jones's walking around weight is 225-230lbs with fat on him. It's hilarious that you think THAT is the same size. Why does Jones want to put on weight before he moves up? Because every fighter there is larger than him, including Dos Santos.
Daniel Cormier has much more body fat on him than JDS does and weighs less, meaning he's naturally smaller than him and thus would have a much easier time dropping a weight class than JDS would. JDS would have to lose a substantial amount of muscle (which would cause his performance to suffer) to drop down, because he has no fat to lose and can't drop 35 lbs of water weight and remain healthy for a fight.
You continue to deny that he can't drop weight, even though he gained 1-2 kg weight in terms of muscle mass before the first rematch with Cain. Jones is similar in height and close enough in weight to Dos Santos when he isn't cutting down to compete for LHW. He's too big for a HW, but if he can cut weight to drop down to a lower weight division, so can Dos Santos. Or are you telling me that JDS isn't capable of cutting weight?
The point still stands. Cormier is more like a fat welterweight, yet he is certainly capable of competently performing at both the LHW and HW divisions. Think.
Originally posted by Insomniatric
Not to mention, JDS has probably never cut weight a day in his life. Let's start him off with 35 lbs though, right?JDS and Jones are 10-15 lbs apart in the picture with the larger man being all muscle and the smaller man having an uncharacteristic amount of fat on him. You may as well tell me that Brock Lesnar and Roy Nelson are naturally the same size. What do you think Jones would look like if he weighed 240 lbs? Do you think he'd look as defined as JDS does? No? Maybe that's because he's not naturally as large as him, despite the fact that he's one of the biggest LHWs in the UFC.
Cain and Fedor are both naturally much smaller than Junior Dos Santos. If Junior had the same body fat percentage as Fedor, he'd weigh like 255 lbs. Cain also has a much higher body fat percentage than JDS, meaning he can lose fat and then cut water weight for a much healthier move to 205 than JDS could ever achieve.
They're similar in size. The weight difference is palpable, and the height difference is negligible. Yet you want to continue to harp on this ridiculous claim that JDS is much bigger than Jones even though that is not the case. Utilizing such fecal logic, I am surprised you even made it out of high school.
Which has what to do with anything? They look chubby and non-muscly at HW, they'll probably look chubby and non-muscular even at LHW, because they have a natural endomorphic body shape. You're obviously confusing Junior's mesomorphic body design with his weight class, or you wouldn't spout such fallacious nonsense as him being incapable of cutting weight.
Originally posted by Insomniatric
I also said he's smaller than the top contenders he fought, I like how you conveniently left that out though.He failed to repeat it because Cain fought with a much better game plan. He pressured JDS more and thus made him wear out quicker. Just rewatch the fights, notice the difference in the way Cain comes out.
He only has 14 fights and failed on his first title defense, lasting less time than anyone who has ever held a belt and lost it. Doesn't sound so "perfect" to me.
There's the difference between Cain and JDS: Cain needs 100 strikes, JDS needs one. Knocking Hunt out cold > cutting Brock's cheek open.
He failed to repeat it because he is a one-dimensional fighter who had one fluke win against a vastly superior fighter, a lucky shot which insane fanboys like you continue to defend even to this day.
He's successfully defended the title twice now after regaining it. That's one more title defense than Dos Santos had under his belt. I am laughing at you and your failed attempt to prove anything by citing who has more title defenses.
There's another difference between them; Cain's strikes batter and injure people as badly as someone like Carwin. Cain turned the fight against Silva into a crime scene. How many such feats of outright brutality and sheer striking power does JDS have under his belt? The answer is none.
Originally posted by Insomniatric
If you think he doesn't need a submission game, you are definitely new to this sport. If you can't defend a submission, then I suggest he keep the fight standing against Werdum and stays the hell away from the clinch as well.I said prime Anderson was better than Weidman, but Weidman is better than old Anderson.
It doesn't take a genius to see that JDS would never be able to make a healthy cut to 205, I even explained it to you in detail and showed pictures to prove my point. You rebutted by mentioning that Daniel Cormier, a man who is naturally much smaller than JDS, and hasn't even fought at 205 yet, may fight there IN THE FUTURE, and that somehow means that JDS could as well.
You flip-flopped between conceding that Anderson was inferior to claiming that you said no such thing. Nothing new, since you're been dancing that dance for the last few half dozen posts.
Of course it doesn't because it isn't something that merits a genius' attention. Even a buffoon could see clear as day that any fighter, if properly motivated can make the cut or put on weight to the next best or closes weight class in their range. Cormier has already been guaranteed to fight at LHW. It's been pretty much confirmed in mass media. You lie yet again with your silly "maybes" and "could bes" insinuations.
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Originally posted by Insomniatric
Cain is the better fighter, but can't beat him 10/10 times, and therefore doesn't have his number. I've said this since the beginning, if I even once said otherwise, please show me.You have yet to defend any of your "points" and have showed absolutely no knowledge of the sport. You just keep repeating the same thing over and over again no matter how thoroughly I disprove what you say.
If you can tell me how setting up an overhand right with a jab is luck and not skill, you may have a point. Since we all know you probably don't even know a jab from an overhand, I think it's safe to assume that you will have no actual rebuttal and will just repeat the same old thing and insult me childishly like you've been doing the whole time.
It's funny that you think you're actually winning this debate, seeing as how you have yet to even bring up something worth mentioning, and can't defend any of the weak points that you do bring up with anything even resembling technical knowledge, or even basic logic.
I already did. You being too slow to miss them and failing to comprehend my points, and arguing simply out of a necessity to get the last word in is on you, not me.
Already proven. He had ample opportunity to repeat that in both rematches against Cain, yet all he did was get beaten like a punk. Maybe he repeats that fluke shot in future rematch the 2 have, but that'll never change what that punch really was; a lucky shot.😂
I already won this debate the moment you broke down and started arguing that JDS can's cut weight or all those times you flip-flopped from claiming that Silva was inferior to Weidman but you never admitted that, or that Cain is the better fighter but that doesn't mean he has JDS' number in his pocket.
You lost, so you lost.🙂