Originally posted by Cat Lady
I think I'd rather have the extreme cold weather.
Really?
What I've heard, it maybe media hype, but, doesn't the elderly go to Miami Florida for their arthritis and other illnesses. As the the heat warmth's the body and so forth?
I run and do hill climb in 40 Celcuis heat. I have epilepsy some a brain injury, so, I much prefer the warmer heat.
What about Texas, Arizona, Nevada (Sin City)? lol! haha
Originally posted by BackFire
I hate the heat, I love the cold.Case in point: I live in Southern California, it's about 50 degrees here right now, wish it were colder.
I would say - live in Mexico, mate 😆
My sister lived there in San Diego about 25 years ago at high school.
Occasionally, they traveled in Mexico it get drunk and thank f**k she didn't get herpes 😆
4 kids later with an Aussie husband...she's alright..... 😄 🤣
Originally posted by Insomniatric
Punks don't get back up. This is basic stuff.I never said Weidman was better than prime Anderson. If that makes your day, I suggest you get out more.
There is no such thing as luck in a fight with two professionals. JDS has cracked much harder chins than Cain's, and he is the best boxer in the HW division. Him knocking his opponent out just proves that he's capable of finishing anyone at any given time, it's not that hard to see.
Cain didn't give him the same opportunities in the rematches because he fought with a much more aggressive game plan. If he came out and decided to box with Junior, he would have gotten knocked out again. When he did come out to strike in the third fight, he got rocked on the first exchange. He beats JDS by putting on a lot of pressure and mixing in TD attempts and changing levels. He didn't do that in the first fight and got finished by the superior striker.
First of all, it's common knowledge that luck doesn't help a fighter win fights. Skill does. JDS exploited Cain's defensive weaknesses, it's plain as day. You clearly don't know what you're looking at when you watch a fight, because you can't even see that Cain came in with a much better game plan for both rematches. He realized he needed to fight differently, because the way he fought in the first fight got him put to sleep.
Why exactly is it a fallacy? Because people who know fighting much better than you do will tell you that you are wrong? You are wrong, sir. If you equate JDS's boxing skills to luck... you are wrong. JDS forced Cain's hands out of position with a lazy jab and came over with a right hand. It's not difficult to see, you are just so blinded by your bias for Velasquez that you refuse to believe somebody could legitimately beat him, even though it's plain as day that someone did. Cain is not unbeatable, healthy or otherwise. No one is. Any martial artist knows this, Mr. Brown belt.
Can Cain beat JDS 10/10 times? If not, then it's a "fallacious point" to suggest that he has JDS's number.
You're not seriously stupid enough to think Jones and JDS are the same size, are you? JDS has a much thicker upper body and much, much thicker legs.
JDS is 240 lbs and ripped. Who fights at LHW that is anywhere near that size? Jones is 225-230 lbs when he's not training, and that is out of shape for him.
Here's some pics so I don't have to explain it 100 times:
Jones between 225-230 lbs:
http://i.picresize.com/images/2014/01/07/CcqzV.jpgJDS at 240 lbs:
http://i.picresize.com/images/2014/01/07/Ckrqb.jpgJDS is a natural HW. Jones weighs at least 10 lbs less than JDS in that picture and is overweight. JDS would never be able to make a healthy cut to LHW, that's just out of the question. JDS has no body fat to lose and sure as hell isn't going to drop 35 lbs of water weight, even if he did do that, he would be absolutely emaciated and his performance would be terrible. Cain would actually have a much easier time cutting to LHW than JDS.
Anderson is a big MW, but no bigger (and was usually smaller) than the top contenders he fought. Not even sure why you brought that up.
Cain is a great fighter, but that was a very well set up combo from JDS that finished the fight. He didn't do it in the rematches, but that doesn't change what happened in the first fight. Even Brock was catching Cain in the stand-up, he has a bad tendency to duck into strikes. I don't see why you can't understand this. I agree, Cain will beat a majority of the HWs, but he will lose a couple, because that's just how it works at HW. You can get put out at any second.
Cain is not a perfect fighter, he gets caught far too often to be considered "perfect". His defense has a long way to go, and he needs to work on not over-committing. No fighter is perfect, if Cain was, he wouldn't have lost to JDS. He's also never shown a submission game and probably can't defend too well off of his back, like most other HWs. I'm not saying this because I'm arguing with you, there really is no such thing as a perfect fighter. Fighters are making mistakes all the time, it's up to the opponent to capitalize on them. That's how JDS beat Cain, by capitalizing on Cain's defensive flaws and tendency to counter everything.
If you plan on actually "breaking me down", you may want to try to come up with some half-decent arguments with at least some semblance of technical knowledge backing them up, because so far I'm very disappointed with this debate.
You conceded, but are now flip-flopping. Sad.
Actually there is, if said fighter fails to repeat such a shot in TWO rematches that follow up the original fight which was a fluke win for him.
Cain beat his ass down because he was the better fighter. JDS had ample opportunity to and a lot of prep time to take on Cain seeing how he knew his fighting style and has the kind of knockout power to put flash-KO someone like Cain. He failed to to capitalize on it, and instead got beaten down like a buffoon. Awful.
Not really. There can be fights in which a fighter gets lucky or gets a fluke win. Have you honestly never heard of the numerous instances of "upsetting" in mma or even general sports history? If you have and still deny that this was a fluke win for JDS, you're delusional.
Relying on an appeal to authority simply because you aren't capable of defending your opinion on your own. That's a cowardly tactic that apologists rely on. Seeing how much of an awful fanboy you are being in this instance, I won't put it above you to be a horrid JDS and Silva apologist as well.
Seeing how he's beaten him twice already for ten rounds, and how every single match will end the same way as their last rematch ended, I'd say yes, between the both of them, when they're healthy and fully prepped for the fight, Cain is 100% guaranteed to win against JDS. Therefore, he has Junior's number.
Jones drops weight. His walking around weight is roughly the same as Dos Santos. Why do you think there has been talk for sometime now about him probably moving up a weight division? Or does your insanity blind you to the obvious; that he is big for his weight division.
Nope, I am saying that he can drop weight. Let me guess; you're one of those people who've never heard of people shifting from weight divisions, right? Daniel Cormier ring a bell? Dos Santos only has to lose somewhere around 40 lbs of weight to make it to LHW. That shouldn't be hard for someone like him.
Lol, your pics actually vindicate my point. They're both roughly the same size, with Dos Santos being slightly heavier.
I can go further to showcase my point by citing how both Cain Velasquez and Fedor Emelianenko would make ideal LHWs, if they underwent a proper weight reduction program. Because it's true that they're both relatively small heavyweights for their division, and not even you can deny such an obvious thing.
So you concede yet another point that Anderson is big for his weight division? Good. I'll soak in this concession before you flip-flop again.
It was a fluke win. He failed to repeat it in any of their rematches despite utilizing it against the overhyped and overrated Samoan loser known as Mark hunt. He couldn't do so against Velasquez in either of their rematches. Point proven.
He hasn't lost a single fight except that fluke loss to JDS in their first encounter. He also landed more strikes, and caused far more physical damage(just look at what he did to Bigfoot in their first fight) from his hundreds of strikes than JDS has ever done even to people like Carwin. One needs to go no further than look at Brock Lesner's busted cheek to see the power and efficacy of Cain's underrated striking. He doesn't need to develop a submission game, at least not for the foreseeable future as he has excellent grappling technique, and considerable striking prowess along with a gnp fighting methodology which, while seemingly boring from entertainment's pov, is highly effective for a fighting strategy.
I already broke you down. Your flip-flopping from admitting that Silva is inferior to Weidman to going back to saying you never said such a thing, denying that JDS is capable of cutting weight to go down to LHW, contradicting yourself by first claiming that Cain was the better fighter but then saying that he doesn't have his number, weakly constructed and half-assed appeal to authority since you couldn't defend your own points, all of these pretty much did the job for me.
I win, so I win. 🙂
Originally posted by Epicurus
They don't KO themselves either. Hahaha.You conceded, but are now flip-flopping. Sad.
Actually there is, if said fighter fails to repeat such a shot in TWO rematches that follow up the original fight which was a fluke win for him.
Cain beat his ass down because he was the better fighter. JDS had ample opportunity to and a lot of prep time to take on Cain seeing how he knew his fighting style and has the kind of knockout power to put flash-KO someone like Cain. He failed to to capitalize on it, and instead got beaten down like a buffoon. Awful.
Not really. There can be fights in which a fighter gets lucky or gets a fluke win. Have you honestly never heard of the numerous instances of "upsetting" in mma or even general sports history? If you have and still deny that this was a fluke win for JDS, you're delusional.
Relying on an appeal to authority simply because you aren't capable of defending your opinion on your own. That's a cowardly tactic that apologists rely on. Seeing how much of an awful fanboy you are being in this instance, I won't put it above you to be a horrid JDS and Silva apologist as well.
Seeing how he's beaten him twice already for ten rounds, and how every single match will end the same way as their last rematch ended, I'd say yes, between the both of them, when they're healthy and fully prepped for the fight, Cain is 100% guaranteed to win against JDS. Therefore, he has Junior's number.
Jones drops weight. His walking around weight is roughly the same as Dos Santos. Why do you think there has been talk for sometime now about him probably moving up a weight division? Or does your insanity blind you to the obvious; that he is big for his weight division.
Nope, I am saying that he can drop weight. Let me guess; you're one of those people who've never heard of people shifting from weight divisions, right? Daniel Cormier ring a bell? Dos Santos only has to lose somewhere around 40 lbs of weight to make it to LHW. That shouldn't be hard for someone like him.
Lol, your pics actually vindicate my point. They're both roughly the same size, with Dos Santos being slightly heavier.
I can go further to showcase my point by citing how both Cain Velasquez and Fedor Emelianenko would make ideal LHWs, if they underwent a proper weight reduction program. Because it's true that they're both relatively small heavyweights for their division, and not even you can deny such an obvious thing.
So you concede yet another point that Anderson is big for his weight division? Good. I'll soak in this concession before you flip-flop again.
It was a fluke win. He failed to repeat it in any of their rematches despite utilizing it against the overhyped and overrated Samoan loser known as Mark hunt. He couldn't do so against Velasquez in either of their rematches. Point proven.
He hasn't lost a single fight except that fluke loss to JDS in their first encounter. He also landed more strikes, and caused far more physical damage(just look at what he did to Bigfoot in their first fight) from his hundreds of strikes than JDS has ever done even to people like Carwin. One needs to go no further than look at Brock Lesner's busted cheek to see the power and efficacy of Cain's underrated striking. He doesn't need to develop a submission game, at least not for the foreseeable future as he has excellent grappling technique, and considerable striking prowess along with a gnp fighting methodology which, while seemingly boring from entertainment's pov, is highly effective for a fighting strategy.
I already broke you down. Your flip-flopping from admitting that Silva is inferior to Weidman to going back to saying you never said such a thing, denying that JDS is capable of cutting weight to go down to LHW, contradicting yourself by first claiming that Cain was the better fighter but then saying that he doesn't have his number, weakly constructed and half-assed appeal to authority since you couldn't defend your own points, all of these pretty much did the job for me.
I win, so I win. 🙂
At least you're finally admitting that JDS didn't fight like a punk, it seems you've progressed from blind denial. Not sure what point you were really trying to make with that remark though.
You apparently have never heard of a fighter making improvements to their game plan, not that that's a surprise or anything though.
Again, I never denied this. Cain won and is the better man. He was not the better man in the first fight, JDS exposed a big hole in Cain's defense. That's what happened. You're the only one who doesn't realize this, which is sad given how many times I've explained it.
Upset =/= luck. It means that the underdog was underestimated.
I've defended my opinion multiple times and have actually given you some technical information and shown that I actually know what I'm looking at when I watch a fight. You have yet to successfully rebut any of my arguments, and you just keep repeating the same thing over and over. It's the tell-tale sign of someone who really has nothing to say but can't admit defeat, other users have even pointed this out to you since we've began debating.
Do you even realize how hypocritical you sound? You get on my case for pointing out the fact that Anderson Silva is 38 years old and not in his physical prime, but then you claim Cain only loses when he's not 100%. And I also feel that I should tell you that NO FIGHTER is 100% healthy during the fight (this includes JDS). Cain is not 100% guaranteed to beat anyone, especially the guy that put his lights out with one shot 64 seconds into the fight. Cain is better, but he doesn't have JDS's number.
JDS's walking around weight is 240 lbs with no fat on him. Jones's walking around weight is 225-230lbs with fat on him. It's hilarious that you think THAT is the same size. Why does Jones want to put on weight before he moves up? Because every fighter there is larger than him, including Dos Santos.
Daniel Cormier has much more body fat on him than JDS does and weighs less, meaning he's naturally smaller than him and thus would have a much easier time dropping a weight class than JDS would. JDS would have to lose a substantial amount of muscle (which would cause his performance to suffer) to drop down, because he has no fat to lose and can't drop 35 lbs of water weight and remain healthy for a fight.
Not to mention, JDS has probably never cut weight a day in his life. Let's start him off with 35 lbs though, right?
JDS and Jones are 10-15 lbs apart in the picture with the larger man being all muscle and the smaller man having an uncharacteristic amount of fat on him. You may as well tell me that Brock Lesnar and Roy Nelson are naturally the same size. What do you think Jones would look like if he weighed 240 lbs? Do you think he'd look as defined as JDS does? No? Maybe that's because he's not naturally as large as him, despite the fact that he's one of the biggest LHWs in the UFC.
Cain and Fedor are both naturally much smaller than Junior Dos Santos. If Junior had the same body fat percentage as Fedor, he'd weigh like 255 lbs. Cain also has a much higher body fat percentage than JDS, meaning he can lose fat and then cut water weight for a much healthier move to 205 than JDS could ever achieve.
I also said he's smaller than the top contenders he fought, I like how you conveniently left that out though.
He failed to repeat it because Cain fought with a much better game plan. He pressured JDS more and thus made him wear out quicker. Just rewatch the fights, notice the difference in the way Cain comes out.
He only has 14 fights and failed on his first title defense, lasting less time than anyone who has ever held a belt and lost it. Doesn't sound so "perfect" to me.
There's the difference between Cain and JDS: Cain needs 100 strikes, JDS needs one. Knocking Hunt out cold > cutting Brock's cheek open.
If you think he doesn't need a submission game, you are definitely new to this sport. If you can't defend a submission, then I suggest he keep the fight standing against Werdum and stays the hell away from the clinch as well.
I said prime Anderson was better than Weidman, but Weidman is better than old Anderson.
It doesn't take a genius to see that JDS would never be able to make a healthy cut to 205, I even explained it to you in detail and showed pictures to prove my point. You rebutted by mentioning that Daniel Cormier, a man who is naturally much smaller than JDS, and hasn't even fought at 205 yet, may fight there IN THE FUTURE, and that somehow means that JDS could as well.
Cain is the better fighter, but can't beat him 10/10 times, and therefore doesn't have his number. I've said this since the beginning, if I even once said otherwise, please show me.
You have yet to defend any of your "points" and have showed absolutely no knowledge of the sport. You just keep repeating the same thing over and over again no matter how thoroughly I disprove what you say.
If you can tell me how setting up an overhand right with a jab is luck and not skill, you may have a point. Since we all know you probably don't even know a jab from an overhand, I think it's safe to assume that you will have no actual rebuttal and will just repeat the same old thing and insult me childishly like you've been doing the whole time.
It's funny that you think you're actually winning this debate, seeing as how you have yet to even bring up something worth mentioning, and can't defend any of the weak points that you do bring up with anything even resembling technical knowledge, or even basic logic.
