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Originally posted by Insomniatric
JDS fought with more heart than 90% of fighters ever have. Sure, he was getting smashed, but he got back up until he physically couldn't. That's heart, not "losing like a punk".

38 years old is far past an athlete's physical prime, particularly one like Anderson who relies on his quickness and reflexes more than anyone else does. I'm well aware that Weidman beat him twice.

"I wasn't myself in the first fight, I was injured"

That was Cain after the first fight. Those are also excuses, but I'm sure you're ok with Cain making them.

The fact that JDS lost the rematches doesn't mean that the first fight was luck because A: professional fighters don't get "lucky' and B: JDS capitalized on a weakness in Cain's defense. Cain made this weakness more difficult to exploit in the rematches by using a far more aggressive game-plan designed to wear JDS down. It's not rocket science.

Ask any respectable trainer if JDS got "lucky" and they will laugh in your face. Go ask Jack Slack about it. Go educate yourself, your lack of knowledge is hilariously apparent.

You can't say you have your opponents number if he's already beaten you. Cain proved he couldn't beat JDS every time by getting put to sleep a minute into the first fight. If you said Cain is better than JDS, I would agree. But he does not have his number. I've explained this numerous times, if you don't get it by now then you have trouble with reading comprehension.

I said 38 year old Silva was inferior. Not prime Silva. How many more times will I have to repeat this? And like I said before, there is more to my life than MMA.

You again demonstrate your lack of knowledge by assuming that JDS is capable of cutting to LHW (lol) and assuming that Anderson is larger than his opponents (lol). The last person Anderson fought that was smaller than him was Demian Maia, in April of 2010. Everyone else was noticeably bigger.

Oh and btw: I never said Cain wasn't better than JDS. Please understand this, you're the only one who hasn't picked up on this yet.

I can't help but laugh that you actually think the only way Cain loses is if his opponent gets lucky. Cain has many weaknesses in his striking defense and has never proven that he knew how to defend a submission. He's not perfect, just like any other fighter.

I recommend you read these articles:

http://fightsgoneby.blogspot.com/2012/05/ufc-146-fight-like-dos-santos.html

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2012/12/21/3791428/ufc-155-cain-velasquez-junior-dos-santos-jack-slack-judo-chop

He's inferior to Weidman. You conceding it made my day.

Yes, those excuses are actually vindicated when we see the brutal beatdown he lays on JDS in both their rematches. Both going in disturbingly similar fashion; with Junior's face getting turned into a mashed potato.

It was absolutely luck since he's failed to repeat that overhand right despite vast opportunities to do so.

I don't need to do so. I form an objective opinion of my own by watching the fights. You don't need to be a professional mma fighter or trainer(even though I do have a brown belt in kyokushin karate) in order to see how a fight goes down. Sorry buddy, but appeal to authority is a fallacious point to make even in an academic debate, much less an off-topic argument concerning what abject failures your idols are at what they do.

You denied that he has his number. You brought up their first fight which was a fluke win for Dos Santos as defense. Shameful.

You continue to concede that Silva<Weidman. My day gets better and better.

Lol, are you actually stupid enough to think that JDS couldn't cut to LHW? There are quite a few guys his size who're actually fighting in this division, the chief of them all being the current LHW champion. Nope, I claimed that he was big for his division. Anderson fanatics love to deny the obvious when faced with this obvious piece of evidence.

Seeing how he's so far not actually been beaten with the sole exception of that fluke-shot from Dos Santos, I believe yes, at the heavyweight category pretty much nobody stands a chance against a healthy Velasquez. One of the best grapplers, top-notch striking by mma' standards, more well-conditioned than any other athlete, and his monstrous cardio. That pretty much means the perfect fighter in professional terms for heavyweight combat sports

Originally posted by Bardock42
Really? Have you tried sex?

I guess everyone needs a sad, somewhat creepy and definitely self-absorbed hobby.

I usually just re-read my own posts to bask in their awesomeness.

I also re-read your posts, but usually because it makes me feel good to not be you.

You're just jealous of my pimp fridge boxes.

It is so freaking cold outside.

29 F here. Short sleeve weather.

8 degrees F with a wind chill of -4.

Time to get the hair dryer out for the pipes. I remember that kind of weather from Maine. Brutal.

Originally posted by Epicurus
He got beaten like a punk in both fights. Couldn't land a single hit, couldn't mount up a proper defense, hell in the second rematch he couldn't even remember how many rounds the fight went and though it ended in the 2nd round. Awful.

He's inferior to Weidman. You conceding it made my day.

Yes, those excuses are actually vindicated when we see the brutal beatdown he lays on JDS in both their rematches. Both going in disturbingly similar fashion; with Junior's face getting turned into a mashed potato.

It was absolutely luck since he's failed to repeat that overhand right despite vast opportunities to do so.

I don't need to do so. I form an objective opinion of my own by watching the fights. You don't need to be a professional mma fighter or trainer(even though I do have a brown belt in kyokushin karate) in order to see how a fight goes down. Sorry buddy, but appeal to authority is a fallacious point to make even in an academic debate, much less an off-topic argument concerning what abject failures your idols are at what they do.

You denied that he has his number. You brought up their first fight which was a fluke win for Dos Santos as defense. Shameful.

You continue to concede that Silva<Weidman. My day gets better and better.

Lol, are you actually stupid enough to think that JDS couldn't cut to LHW? There are quite a few guys his size who're actually fighting in this division, the chief of them all being the current LHW champion. Nope, I claimed that he was big for his division. Anderson fanatics love to deny the obvious when faced with this obvious piece of evidence.

Seeing how he's so far not actually been beaten with the sole exception of that fluke-shot from Dos Santos, I believe yes, at the heavyweight category pretty much nobody stands a chance against a healthy Velasquez. One of the best grapplers, top-notch striking by mma' standards, more well-conditioned than any other athlete, and his monstrous cardio. That pretty much means the perfect fighter in professional terms for heavyweight combat sports

Punks don't get back up. This is basic stuff.

I never said Weidman was better than prime Anderson. If that makes your day, I suggest you get out more.

There is no such thing as luck in a fight with two professionals. JDS has cracked much harder chins than Cain's, and he is the best boxer in the HW division. Him knocking his opponent out just proves that he's capable of finishing anyone at any given time, it's not that hard to see.

Cain didn't give him the same opportunities in the rematches because he fought with a much more aggressive game plan. If he came out and decided to box with Junior, he would have gotten knocked out again. When he did come out to strike in the third fight, he got rocked on the first exchange. He beats JDS by putting on a lot of pressure and mixing in TD attempts and changing levels. He didn't do that in the first fight and got finished by the superior striker.

First of all, it's common knowledge that luck doesn't help a fighter win fights. Skill does. JDS exploited Cain's defensive weaknesses, it's plain as day. You clearly don't know what you're looking at when you watch a fight, because you can't even see that Cain came in with a much better game plan for both rematches. He realized he needed to fight differently, because the way he fought in the first fight got him put to sleep.

Why exactly is it a fallacy? Because people who know fighting much better than you do will tell you that you are wrong? You are wrong, sir. If you equate JDS's boxing skills to luck... you are wrong. JDS forced Cain's hands out of position with a lazy jab and came over with a right hand. It's not difficult to see, you are just so blinded by your bias for Velasquez that you refuse to believe somebody could legitimately beat him, even though it's plain as day that someone did. Cain is not unbeatable, healthy or otherwise. No one is. Any martial artist knows this, Mr. Brown belt.

Can Cain beat JDS 10/10 times? If not, then it's a "fallacious point" to suggest that he has JDS's number.

You're not seriously stupid enough to think Jones and JDS are the same size, are you? JDS has a much thicker upper body and much, much thicker legs.

JDS is 240 lbs and ripped. Who fights at LHW that is anywhere near that size? Jones is 225-230 lbs when he's not training, and that is out of shape for him.

Here's some pics so I don't have to explain it 100 times:

Jones between 225-230 lbs:

JDS at 240 lbs:

JDS is a natural HW. Jones weighs at least 10 lbs less than JDS in that picture and is overweight. JDS would never be able to make a healthy cut to LHW, that's just out of the question. JDS has no body fat to lose and sure as hell isn't going to drop 35 lbs of water weight, even if he did do that, he would be absolutely emaciated and his performance would be terrible. Cain would actually have a much easier time cutting to LHW than JDS.

Anderson is a big MW, but no bigger (and was usually smaller) than the top contenders he fought. Not even sure why you brought that up.

Cain is a great fighter, but that was a very well set up combo from JDS that finished the fight. He didn't do it in the rematches, but that doesn't change what happened in the first fight. Even Brock was catching Cain in the stand-up, he has a bad tendency to duck into strikes. I don't see why you can't understand this. I agree, Cain will beat a majority of the HWs, but he will lose a couple, because that's just how it works at HW. You can get put out at any second.

Cain is not a perfect fighter, he gets caught far too often to be considered "perfect". His defense has a long way to go, and he needs to work on not over-committing. No fighter is perfect, if Cain was, he wouldn't have lost to JDS. He's also never shown a submission game and probably can't defend too well off of his back, like most other HWs. I'm not saying this because I'm arguing with you, there really is no such thing as a perfect fighter. Fighters are making mistakes all the time, it's up to the opponent to capitalize on them. That's how JDS beat Cain, by capitalizing on Cain's defensive flaws and tendency to counter everything.

If you plan on actually "breaking me down", you may want to try to come up with some half-decent arguments with at least some semblance of technical knowledge backing them up, because so far I'm very disappointed with this debate.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Time to get the hair dryer out for the pipes. I remember that kind of weather from Maine. Brutal.

Up into the 20s is a sign that it's entirely too cold out.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Up into the 20s is a sign that it's entirely too cold out.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose

Originally posted by Stealth Moose

2 days ago, we had (Australia) where I live....40 Celsius degrees. 105-110 F...hahahahahahhahahahahha

2 weeks is not enough.

Originally posted by wilco
2 days ago, we had (Australia) where I live....40 Celsius degrees. 105-110 F...hahahahahahhahahahahha

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
2 weeks is not enough.