Celsius's Debate thread!

Originally posted by Dexx
well...you won't stop terrorism only by eliminating oil fueling ....solar powered jets can still be flown into skyscrapers 🙂

I think you missed my point. Part of the reason terrorists target us is because we are in their countries butting into their politics and using their natural resources. If we were to cease doing this, the threat of terror would cease. And, 113, if you think people haven't accused anyone of being unamerican, you need to go back and read a bit more carefully. And yes, all news is biased, but from an American standpoint, you can decipher some of the bs by hearing another country's perception of things, ie the war on iraq. And I don't care what anyone is tired of hearing, I will state my thoughts and beliefs as I like. Freedom is a practise I excercise. Now, I'm going to practice my freedom of eating dinner. Till next time gentlemen.

hatred, no matter the source or its direction, can cause nothing but trouble in this world, it drove saddam, it drove bush, it drove hitler, and no good came from their actions.

Dude, Deniro your a cool dude, but dude your assuming that all the people in iraq and/or Afghanistan hate us??? That's just ridiculous. A lot of people are very fond of America in these two countries, and yes a lot hate us. I agree with blowing up everything too though, but not for the same reason you do. I'm just sadistic and imperialistic 🙂

deniro...open your eyes and look at the big picture. You think too radicaly and impulsive and miss on a lot of important links.
You can NOT expect everyone to back up their presiden, even from the simple fact that not all of the people vote for him. It is democracy...virtual democracy afterall.

And there's another thing you miss. as i said, you wantig ALL the iraqies dead makes you in no way better than all the terrorists (except you didn't act yet 😉 ). American is a wealthy people..and it's everyone's right to imigrate (if accepted) and enjoy it also. UNDESTAND THIS: for every rich country there are tens of poor ones. you live in welfare SIMPLY BECAUSE the iraqies or whoever live in poverty. It's a chain..and you're at the upper part of it. But it's not you or bushes merit to be there..they just are. So cut it with the judging

Originally posted by Tired Hiker
I think you missed my point. Part of the reason terrorists target us is because we are in their countries butting into their politics and using their natural resources. If we were to cease doing this, the threat of terror would cease.

u can not put bush sadam and hitler in the same catagory one thing people had to except saddam because it is like a communist country so they dont have a chocie in there leader so he can do what ever the **** he wants bush trys to do the right thing and trys to do the morl thing u guys r talkin like he is doing what i want him to do when all he is doing is helping some under developed country wich is irq and get them away from sadam and most of all help us americans by gettin rid of saddam cause if he got to poweful u think he would try to protect inncent people **** no and hitler hitler was a whole nother story to long tot ype so forget that shit

i can put them in teh same catagory, because they all used hatred to drive their principals. of course im not comparing bush with those 2 tyrants, but the fact that hatred was their main reason (despite what other reasons bush may have gave) allows me to compare them in that single catagory.

I agree with Deniro, I am tired of all these people moving to America just to live off welfare. I have met people and families who have come here from Mexico just because they can get so much money from their welfare checks and I don't think that is right in any way. America is the land of oppurtunity, not the land of free money

deniro, you have lived in democracy all of your life. I don;t know how comunism is like...you don't know the fear of walls REALLY having ears and expecting two goons anyminute because you even drop a bad word about the leader...that's how comunism is like..and much worse still..you cannot blame the people

Originally posted by LindsIsTightK
I agree with Deniro, I am tired of all these people moving to America just to live off welfare. I have met people and families who have come here from Mexico just because they can get so much money from their welfare checks and I don't think that is right in any way. America is the land of oppurtunity, not the land of free money

hatered i bet bush does hate those people but how in the world do u say that that led to the war it had very lil to do with it i mean terrism i think was the number one reason then oil and saftey of america and makin sure that sadam can never get enough power to have nuculear wepons and to think that bush went into the war cause of hatered is riduculos i think

Well as selfish as this might sound, I am glad America is rich because it just benefits me in the long run, maybe I will feel differently as times goes on, but I don't right now, and I am sure Deniro can agree with me on that one.

Originally posted by LindsIsTightK
Well as selfish as this might sound, I am glad America is rich because it just benefits me in the long run, maybe I will feel differently as times goes on, but I don't right now, and I am sure Deniro can agree with me on that one.

Originally posted by Dexx
*sigh*..i told it before and i will, still if noone understands.
America is rich because other tens of countries are poor. look at it as a parasite 😉...imigration are every human's right.

america is rich becaue it has made wise decisions in teh past, it in no way is a parasite 🙄 that is just typical anti american mumbo jumbo, america purchases recources from other countries who need money, rather then the recources they have, plus america gives alot to other countries who are poor. and imigration is not every humans right, it is a priveledge given to certain people who the american government feel deserves to live in this country, a poor hungry family of 5 from mexico with no working ability should not be allowed to mooch off of the working people of this country. this may sound cold, but logic often does. of course, if immigrants can work and are willing too, then i have no problem with them.

Originally posted by DeNiro
hatered i bet bush does hate those people but how in the world do u say that that led to the war it had very lil to do with it i mean terrism i think was the number one reason then oil and saftey of america and makin sure that sadam can never get enough power to have nuculear wepons and to think that bush went into the war cause of hatered is riduculos i think

I'm American. I've been taught American ways and American beliefs and I have been taught to stand up for my country and what is right no matter what the circumstances are. Although you may think we are selfish because we are the world power, I am quick to point out, that we have the most multi-cultural country in the world, so obviously other people from other countries have felt welcome here.

Originally posted by BackFire349
america is rich becaue it has made wise decisions in teh past, it in no way is a parasite 🙄 that is just typical anti american mumbo jumbo, america purchases recources from other countries who need money, rather then the recources they have, plus america gives alot to other countries who are poor. and imigration is not every humans right, it is a priveledge given to certain people who the american government feel deserves to live in this country, a poor hungry family of 5 from mexico with no working ability should not be allowed to mooch off of the working people of this country. this may sound cold, but logic often does. of course, if immigrants can work and are willing too, then i have no problem with them.

Originally posted by DeNiro
hatered i bet bush does hate those people but how in the world do u say that that led to the war it had very lil to do with it i mean terrism i think was the number one reason then oil and saftey of america and makin sure that sadam can never get enough power to have nuculear wepons and to think that bush went into the war cause of hatered is riduculos i think

Saddam Hussein would never have been able to attack america. He might have been able to attack his nieghboring countries though and THAT is the reason we should step in. We ourselves were at no risk whatsoever.

Originally posted by Dexx
but look at it this way. Bush, AS PRESIDENT acts in an OFFICIAL way by representing the country. he MUST NOT have personal feelings, he must only look for the country's best interes. ANY personal feelings can interfere with his decisions. he must have not taken the war as a personal vengeance...proof that he was blinded of not listeninf to what other countries had to say/

i agree, thats why i think he's a bad president, he isnt capable of looking at things from centered point of view, only from a personal level. at least i can say i didnt vote for him.

Originally posted by LindsIsTightK
I'm American. I've been taught American ways and American beliefs and I have been taught to stand up for my country and what is right no matter what the circumstances are. Although you may think we are selfish because we are the world power, I am quick to point out, that we have the most multi-cultural country in the world, so obviously other people from other countries have felt welcome here.