Neo is Moses not Jesus

I thought at first Neo was a representation of Jesus. But now i think he may represent Moses. I do think he is a program in the matrix. I also think that morphius and all the rest are still in the matrix. I dom't think they were ever free. The matrix let's them think they are. That is the choice. The anomaly accurs due to mans need to save others who have suffered as they do. Neo was to be the answer to that. His purpose was to reset the matrix so they would start over. ut he is now Rogue. As a Rogue program, he will now free the person(s) of the matrix.

Like Moses he will never see the promise land. But lead the others to freedom. It architech was the pharo and he has issued his final curse as in the bible with moses.

Also i never bought that battery crap. It don't make since. you burn more than you put out.

That sounds whack...Neo is not a program, in that he is human. He would not feel love towards Trinity if he were a program. He may be a type of Moses, one who leads his people to the Promised Land, although i think the pertinent information is HIS PEOPLE, not people who are nothing like him. The anomaly occurs because of the imperfection inherent in human choice, in that human choice causes too many mistakes to occur to allow us to accept life in the Matrix. Neo's purpose is not to reset the Matrix, the anomalys purpose is to reset the matrix, but neo is the anomaly of the anomaly, Neo's purpose is to free the humans, lead them into a NEW life, better life. Also, if you were to lie still for yours entire life, asleep, how much energy would you burn? the machines have probably changed our coding somewhat, so that the body no longer produces "just enough", but produces as much as possible, given constant food. And, we dont burn more than we put out, because if we did, we would burn ourselves up...You have to remember that sweating, urinating, disposing of excrement, all give off energy...if you mechanate those duties, then you can save more energy...

JediHDM> Do you mind rephrasing that anomoly of an anomoly part? I just want to make sure I understand you correctly.

all the other anomalies fulfilled their purpose, to reset the Matrix/Zion. Neo, while fulfilling HIS purpose, is going against what all the other anomalies did, thereby making him an anomaly amongst anomalies, or, if we were to think of this Biblically, "king of kings, lord of lords"...

Neo is THE anomaly, in that, while doing what he was meant to do, his purpose is different from thatof the other anomalies, which he is commonly grouped with...

JediHDM> Ahhhhh... I feel the light going on. I think I get it. Thank you. I emailed you though with a separate question too.

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Are you serious. They fly in ship that manipulate gravity. Or at least some other serious flying mehod. Which means they would have mastered the art of fusion by then. So why use humans as a source of power. If you know anything about physics, nothing can put out more energy than put in.(IMPOSSIBE) Fusion at least get 99.99% of the energy out of any object. Lying still you still burn fuel in growth and autonomic functions. But you will say, the machines are doing the funtions, I answer, that still takes energy.

But i still think that they are all in the matrix. Never ever got out. Morpheus and all the people of zion tinks they are out. Think they excaped or was free born and lucky. Now they want go looking for a way out. But then they think they are freeing more people, which leads to a system problem. That problem is resolved by introducing a program Llike Neo. Then neo (which mean new) starts a new run of the program while giving those still in the matrix hope. But as those who have survived several generations of the program have gone rogue, so has neo. And he now has a love. Just as the ownne of the resterant has love and pride. He even has fear of his life. Something most of the programs dont. Not even Neo. Now neo will free trinity and all the others. leaving him left alone in the matrix with all the other rogues.

I think it's more like moses...

but also jesus... too confusing to put into words...

but, i hope, you catch my drift... kinda..

Interesting THEORY but the MWAM has been ruled out. It is just bad scrip for the Wachowski (sp) Brothers. If That is the ending, it is dang bad.

Originally posted by joeboy
why use humans as a source of power. If you know anything about physics, nothing can put out more energy than put in.(IMPOSSIBE) Fusion at least get 99.99% of the energy out of any object.

E=MC^2 means you get all that in the substance. not more. Go back to school. The idea that feedind humans and growing new ones plus fighgting rogues is more efficient than Cold Fusion is lame.

But this thread was about The program NEO. Neo is a program. Just as all the others. One who can't even fear death.
Cause he was made to do so. But now he himself as well as smith have formed an anomoly. when
neo murged with smith, they rubbed off on one another. take a close look at when neo enter the room. he is coming from one of several worlds. What if each world was in itself an array in the matrix. Meaning he must have more than one of him.

Okay. Neo, as we’ve discussed countless time, is both a Messiah (as in a savior), he’s enlightened (as in a Buddha), he fights oppression (as Prometheus), and, hey… He could lead the people of Zion to… ehrm… where? There IS no promised land in the Matrix-movies.

In M1 we learn that by using human-body heat “combined with a kind of fusion”, the machines get all the energy they need. They liquefy the dead and feed them to the living. A human body keeps a constant temperature of 37 C. Heat can be converted to other kinds of energy. And a human body a rest (sleeping) uses a mere minimum of calories, as the heart rate is slow and breathing is low. So there. The machines are not creating energy to feed to humans. They simply use the dead “waste”.

Cold fusion?!? That theory died in the last millennia.

oh yeeh i have taken two physics. newtons and einstein's . Plus chemistry. iknow i need spelling too. college level of course.

you still use more energy keeping a human alive than just processing the raw materials of the earth.

Joeboy> Just because you obviously missed this in both movie and my post. The machines feed the dead intravenously to the living. As the dead bodies are there, the machines don’t have to use any “raw material” from the Earth to do so.

joeboy> you are obviously arguing just for the sake of arguing, for you have no idea what you are saying. Also, i find it amusing that you disagree with everything i say, and then give the exact same examples that i give, i must say, that must take alot of time and energy on your part to figure out those examples...

Regarding the humans...Feeding the humans takes little energy on the part of the machines, while reaping the benefits of our bodies essentially as leaves on a plant, breaking down carbohydrates into energy, which is then siphoned out for the machines to use. AS the humans are kept in liquid, it is easier to keep the liquid a stable temperature, and it also ensures that we do not feel anything below or around us. Also, cold fusion is very iffy, as in if we can just get this and that and those variables to stay constant, then we'll be in good shape. Not likely to happen, even by Machines. Also, i dont think the source WANTS the humans dead. If you have read the "everything that has a beginning has an end" thread, you will know that i think that the Source is the original AI, perhaps even the one that appealed to the UN to have 01 added to the UN. I think EVE, as i call her, has sympathies towards the humans, so when the Anomaly was created (by human choice) the machines took advantage of it and created the Prophecy, to keep humanity alive until ONE who realizes that Humans and Machines must work together comes along, who will allow the humans to be freed (over a long period of time, as the adults will have to live out the rest of their lives in the Matrix or be killed). Oh, and yes, i'm very serious, i always am, except when i'm being double-plus-unserious.

Crash> When, exactly, was the MWAM discredited, b/c i have not recieved ample (which means any) evidence of its inability to function as the end of the trilogy. There are a few philosophies in which it is believed that the universe, or reality, is a series of "onion-skins", in which, when one is peeled away, another is revealed. I believe this is the case with the Matrix, b/c:
If Zion is another program, when Neo wakes up, he will not know if that world is real or not, and there comes a point where he will have to accept this reality, for the simple reason that he cannot know for sure
If he cannot know for sure, then the point is that not even the most aware human being can really be more aware than anyone else, b/c ones awareness is not infinite, nothing can have infinite awareness
Which brings us to the fact that, no one should become complacent, or stop pushing their mind to the limit of ability, otherwise, you could accept the spoon that isnt real; believe in the simulacrum that doesnt exist. I think im finished for right now.

you don't get it. Have you taken any science class. First rule that teach you is that energy can not be created or destroyed. That's simple thermo dynamics. Lake me make it real simple. Humans are machines. Even in a coma we burn energy. That's why we require constant feeding. Another thought you should know. 25% of an avaerage person's caleries are used by the brain alone. You burn caleries just digesting food. Unless the machines lived off a specific hormone of chemicle that could only be produced by man, then using human tissue is stupid. If these machines figured out how to use humans as food, and so advanced. The better way to do it is just bypass humans. sort of like why eat the apple when you can just eat up all the things that make the apple. That is the thing with fusion. It release all the energy(nearly) that an object contains. That's the promise o cold fusion. All the energy, without the neclear reaction.(i know they are opposite process) Keeping with the example of the apple. when i say all the ingredients that make up the apple, i am talking every thing from air, sun and water. all the nutrients and all.

Now it would be more since to tell me that the machines have made us the computers. And not using us as batteries, but as a giant multiprocessor. I admit that is taking from the hitchhickers guide, but it would make more since.

its only a movie

and if the writers are any good, then you will see that i am right.

joeboy> first of all, we got rid of the notion that objects are created by different combinations of four elements years ago...Also, i hate it when people say asinine things like, "if the writers are any good, then you will see that i am right.", because that shows that you think that you are better than the Wachowski bros, because you *think* you have elementary knowledge of science... Yes, we know of thermodynamics, and we are not being exclusive of this...the machines are not putting ENERGY in to the humans, they are FEEDING them, the humans are then taking the FOOD and turning it into ENERGY, much like the leaves on a plant do...If you bothered to read our statements, rather than just disagreeing with whatever we say, you would see that. Also, perhaps you missed the part where i said maybe the machines WANT THE HUMANS TO WAKE UP... so that Humans and Machines can co-exist peacefully, the first desire of the machines. get off your high horse, take a look around, and realize that there are other people in this world, people who have ideas that are different from yours, and, alot of times, they are right, just as sometimes you are right...I see you spewing elementary science knowledge, then going off in a tangent, because you have no idea what you are saying. THINK, THEN SPEAK!!!

lol .... SPEAK

ok, sorry, but I just had a flashback of the Speak machine that I didn't see on the TV spots not on my computer.

Joeboy> dude. Come on.

JediHDM> what do you think about the idea that they didn't even put us in the matrix to be mean or oppressive. Maybe, (and ugghh I feel like I'm stretching it) the machines put us in there thinking it would be preferable for us. I know, I know, but just follow me for a second. We have this big war. WE are stubborn humans and we won't stop. We even go so far as to scorch the sky. So they win (cuz they're smarter and better - sorry fellow humans) and they throw our stubborn behinds into the matrix to subdue us. From here it could easily go along with what you were saying about the One and waiting for the right time. But it all could have started from wanting to keep us alive, and put us somewhere a) useful, and b) "pleasant" for us. Hmmm, well you know me. I like to throw out ideas. BUT, I like to hear them get bashed though, so go ahead and take a few good cracks at it. Let me know what you think.

Bash, why would i bash it, its beautiful...Thats exactly what i was saying, except taken the step further, that i really didnt want to take yet, unless there was good feedback from previous post. Thanks, and keep em coming...