Neo is Moses not Jesus

my main point was that i think NEO is a program. One designed to to show up when they are starting to get to close to the truth. When hope is running out. He comes in and reset the programs. But as other programs have done, he has gone rogue. He now wants to set the people free. Neo know he is still in the matrix and has never got out. That's how he stopped the centinals. He is figuring out how to rewrite the code. Thats while he is in the coma, First he saw the code, now he is rewriting. as the guy in the resterant. I think that even he was once like NEO. That's why he had the key maker. He kow's that you need the key to end it all. Hence him commenting that the woman will be the death of him.
i started this thread with that idea. sayiing that neo will lead the peole out of the matrix,(as moses) but he will not be able to exit. Cause he is a program.

I hoe that the matrix trilogy ends well, like others. I hope that it become a classic like the earth the earth stood still, Time Machine, 2001, and even Planet of the Apes.

As far as tge battery thing, go ahead and belive it. just next time you see a professor of science, ask him what a closed sytem is. and can you get more energy out than in. Even the sound waves produced by man and machine expells energy. Even a black hole give off energy. There is just as much energy in the universe as the day it was created. It only changes forms. Now thats elementry. You say that i don't except other ideas, i do. i just want to know why you think that.

what about moses or jesus?

What about Jesus or Moses? Also, i say that because you are not listening to our arguments.

man cant live with machines that way, not unless they developed a since of right and wrong. a concious. machines lived with the humans before. if man struck first. it was cause we felt uneasy and was scared of the outcome. If machines struck first, then it must be as an awakening undeveoped concious. Maybe neo is that. Maybe he is the developing concious that will allow machines to have a concious. don't sonud to likely.

if he jesus, he is human. He can leave the matrix.

We have already said that Neo = Jesus.

i am listening. But you say we are batteries. can't happen. Say you are the machine. you in railroad car with 100 people. You have the ability to pull the energy off and use it. You were solar power before someone shut the railway door. Now you are using there body heat. So you kill a third to feed 2/3 rds. but they have to be in a comma like state. So they want use any energy themselve. But wait, the simple act of thinking uses energy.

so you have to kill another or find energy from elsewhere. Let's forget that with the earths core the machines would not need human. and since they have the knowlege and the the means, they could leave the earth all together.

go to the moon or mars.

it doesn't work that way...in that instance, no, it wouldn't work. However, in the pods, yes, it is feasible. the humans are continually in a dream-like state; their blood pressure is normal, they are at a constant body temp, constant breath rate. The Machines are feeding the humans, they are providing air, and removing the waste. There are two mainacts that require energy on the part of the human; thinking/dreaming and digesting. the thinking is not hard, as in sleep it doesnt require but a few calories; the same is true for digesting. So, the humans are digesting enought food to survive, plus enough to provide excess energy. This excess is not stored as fat; rather, it is collected by the machines, to be used as energy. They do not require temperature adjustment, they do not require energy to run, walk, exercise, pay taxes. they are basically just batteries, in that a battery is the excess of a chemical reaction being used for power; the same concept applies here. THe machines are not putting energy into the humans, that is like recharging a battery while using it, it doesnt work. thats why they recycle, to save even more energy. The reason they do this, is that, i believe, they still want them alive. I believe the machines are USING Neo to achieve their ends, which is to prepare the humans to work equally with the machines, to co-exist, which is all they wanted in the beginning, to live as equals. Thus, they keep humans alive, while still gaining from thisrelationship; free energy. When the Architect says "There are levels of survival we are willing to accept", i believe that he means that, they could still survive without humans, using fusion, whatever, but that, the survival without humans wouldn't really be survival, not the kind of survival they want.

The point about the architech is true. But when i say a closed system, i mean the whole system. a person in a comma uses 1000 kilocaleries a day. Any less and they die. so lets say the machines give them that using the dead. Now lets just say the machines use all the heat given off by that human. After you subtract out the waste, you may get 700 kilocalories. The body will use som energy to stay alive. no getting around that. But bow the pickers need more energy than that. Say they have 10 billion people. Thats a lot of machines to mine those people. More energy. Every time a centinal goes after a hand full of people in the city of zion, he using about a million people.

Here is another question? why is the matrix interested in creatin zion. The source of the resistance. If there was no zion, there would be no CHOiCE.

They need the choice to stop trying to escape. If you in the matrix and looking for a way out, they give you a fake rabbit whole. You just following the white rabbit. The real door is right there.

Another thing to concider. If the fuel source is so low for the machines, how was morpeus plannig on feeding all those people if they woke up.

Think of it in these terms. The machine's primary objective was to serve man. Even when the AI was created, and 01 formed, they produced goods for man. Having them locked into the Matrix just keeps them happy, while they take care of the humans. My theory is that hundreds of years have past, the skies have cleared, and now to keep the humans from lashing against them, and keeping the machines from their primary objective of caretaking, they keep the humans plugged in.

That makes more since to me. As a programmer myself, i can see that.

the way i look at it is he is THE ONE as in THE ANOMOLY that will set them free, of all the anomlys he is the one. ya see what i mean. the others made the wrong choice they didn't THINK they set the humans free but neo KNOWS he can.

i laugh at joeboy's 18th-century view on physics.

wanna know a cool thing about education? they first learn you things that are not entirely accurate (read: wrong), because how things really work will be too difficult to understand right away. guess you stopped after the basic stuff 😛

I guess you never even open a science book.

I will start a thread on batteries and people.

I guess all those years of science and math screwed up my brain. All those programming classes programmed me wrong. But how can man put out more energy than he gets. If that was athe case, we would never need eat. If we was in a comma like state using no or liltte power, we would never need food.

Originally posted by joeboy

Another thing to concider. If the fuel source is so low for the machines, how was morpeus plannig on feeding all those people if they woke up.

I guess you've never heard of geothermal energy? That's how the machines work in Zion. And the machines ALSO use a "kind of fusion". There are such things as artificial UV lights, too.

But JediHDM is right. You're not really listening to any of the answers you get. So what's the point. If you're just plain bored, read a book.

Or, here's an idea...Go watch these two movies, they're called "The Matrix" and "Matrix: Reloaded", they are awesome movies. They will also explain your question. Although, of course, you're not going to listen to me anyway, so, why should i bother?

Cold fusion is an exothermic chemical reaction which puts out a great deal more energy than it uses. Most of the elements required for cold fusion can be found in sea water, and the common saying is "one cubic kilometer of sea water could be more power-producing than the entire stores of oil on the planet"

The following is taken from a document on Cold Fusion.
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Many chemical and nuclear processes are ‘exothermic' meaning they produce more energy out than you put in. For example, when you strike a match, it burns until the fuel is exhausted, producing energy. Some cold fusion devices produce energy the way a burning match does: no energy is input, but a steady stream of heat is produced. Other cold fusion devices require an external source of electrical energy to keep the reaction going. The electrical energy input into the system produces some heat, and the cold fusion reaction produces additional or "excess" heat. For example, with electrochemical cold fusion you might input 1 watt of power and get out 3 watts, so 2 watts are excess. Some electrochemical systems get much better performance than this, inputting a fraction of a watt and outputting 400 to 500 watts.

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Check out the ratios on energy input to output. A fraction of a watt compared to 400-500 watts? Keep in mind, cold fusion generates no radioactivity, no chemical decay, and no chemical ash. However, electrochemical cold fusion DOES require a catalyst. Hence, Humans.

Humans, with our meager output, produce a continous catalyst for the cold fusion reactors which power the gargantuan hoardes of machines.