I agree about Hermione liking harry. It seams like Ron has a crush on hermione, but the more I was thinking about it I started to realize how similar Ron's reactions are to Hermione as they are to Ginny. Like he's gets all angry when he finds out Ginny has a boyfriend in OOTP, and says something like how he thinks Ginnys BF (Micheal Corriner?) is not a good guy. He stops his idolization of Krum and basically takes back all the good things he ever said about Krum once he finds out Hermione is going to the Ball with him. So, could it possiby be more brotherly protection then romantic feelings? What do you guys think?
SOmeone posted this from another forum,
I would also like to state that JK has never once stated that R/Hr will happen. Also she has never confirmed H/Hr either...
Oh and this:
"Will Harry and Hermione go on a date?"
JK: No, they're very platonic friends. But I won't answer for anyone else. Hint hint, nuge nudge.
I'd like to point out that this question was answered six years ago on the release of PoA. And the answer is of course, no harry and Hermione do not go on a date in the third book. What I do find interesting that this question was asked after reading only two books. There hasn't been any hand holding, no kiss on platform 9 3/4, no Krum asking "vot is there between you and Hermy-own-ninny." And yet Harry and Hermione was a distinct possibility for this person who asked this after reading only two books.
One year later:
Q. Does Hermione love Ron?
JK: The answer to that is in the Goblet of Fire
Do I even need to say it?
WEll why is Krum jealous on harry bout mione, why hermione kiss harry on the cheek in the chapter beginning ,
Three years later in an interview with Katie Couric:
"any snogging going to happen with Harry and Hermione?"
JK had the perfect opportunity to shut this ship down right here. she could have said ' No, Harry and Hermione are still very much platonic' what she did do was open her mouth as if to answer suddenly close it, give Katie a funny look and say:
"Harry and Hermione? You think so?...Ron and Hermione, I'd say...have more tension there."
Ron and Hermione have more tension there. Notice how Katie doesn't ask "Oh so it'll Ron and Hermione?" Also I'd like to point out that JK never once states that there will be no snogging with Harry and Hermione in the future
Finally one year later:
"Will Harry and Hermione ever get together?"
JK: lol, not telling. But you've had enough clues on this, surely?
Notice that on every book JK has evolved her answer from "They're platonic" to " I've given you enough hints by now"
On a side note, why is it that R/Hr's have changed from "Isn't it obvious?" to "Read between the lines!" Perhaps the R/Hr relationship isn't as obvious as it seems.
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No, JK had the storylines planned out from the beginning, it wont change halfway through the series. The evidence in GoF of Ron/Hermione is plenty - The best example I can recall is Hermione saying, "Next time there's a ball, ask me first rather than a last resort," then after she storms off Ron says, flustered, "I have no idea what she's talking about!" Then the narrative states; But Harry had a suspicion that Hermione was the one who had it right. That was very roughly what was said, but I can't remember exactly the words, and I also cannot be bothered to look it up in the book. Also, the fact that Ron is jealous of Krum is surely the evidence of a Ron/Hermione relationship. That much is blindingly obvious, and bearing in mind that shipping isn't JK's focal point, she wont have disguised it with foreshadowing and trickery as she has with all other aspects of the series.
just wanted to post this bec this is the official shipper thread
WHO DOES HERMIONE LOVE
by turambar
From JKRowling.com:
"Does Hermione love Ron or Harry?
I can't believe that some of you haven't worked this one out yet, but I'm not going to answer because that would spoil the arguments, which I enjoy."
One of the latest MuggleNet polls, on whether Ron and Hermione will get together in book six or not, makes for interesting reading.
A huge number of respondents believe that if they don't get together in book six, they will in book seven. This is despite the fact that the Ron/Hermione relationship has failed to develop in a romantic direction - not what a lot of people expected of OoTP, considering Ron's interest in Hermione has been pronounced since the Yule Ball in GoF. Both Harry and Ron woke up to the fact that Hermione is an attractive girl and responded in different ways.
Notice JKR framed the question on her website, quoted above, as who "does HERMIONE love?"
The basic position of those who believe the Ron/Hermione relationship will happen is based upon these ideals:
1) Hermione fancies/romantically loves/prefers Ron over Harry
2) Harry and Hermione's relationship is only a deep, non-romantic, platonic friendship.
I'm going to assume as a given in this essay that a key sign of attraction - since we can't see inside Hermione's head - is a strong interest in and focus on the person a character is attracted to.
My contention is that the poll result is misleading; people are picking what they want to happen rather than what will happen. There are a number of factors people convinced of the certainty of a Ron/Hermione romance should consider:
1) This is Harry's story.
It's a simple fact but an important one when you consider the romantic options in the books. This is Harry's story; it is about his journey from child to man, from family lost to (probably) family found. Harry looked in the Mirror of Erised and his heart told him he was seeking his family. He can either find it by dying and joining the family he has come from or (more likely) by finding love and starting his own family.
Wat would be the point of the main romance in the HP series NOT involving Harry? What is the point of Ron and Hermione getting together? Surely Harry needs to experience love himself; he can't experience it through his friends.
Should Harry be paired with Ginny, the main romance of the series would STILL, in effect, be Ron/Hermione. It would have to be because it would involve two members of the trio - the key unit of the books. If you don't believe me, think about how it would work on screen in the HP films. We would have spent at least five or six films watching Hermione as the undoubted female lead, and five or six films feeling emotionally attached to the trio characters. The only film we know of where Ginny will have a role of any significance will be OoTP, and even then she will be well and truly overshadowed by Hermione. Now really - after all this time spent with the trio characters, would people realistically care more for the pairing of Harry/Ginny than they would for Ron/Hermione? They wouldn't, and that's important because the obvious question arising from that is: why would JKR want a romance involving her hero and main character overshadowed by a romance involving his friends?
If we take the view that Harry's romance is the main one and consider the romantic options for Harry that would make the most structural sense in the series and have the most emotional impact, the logical girl for Harry is Hermione.
2) Series structure
This is a book series. JKR has to believably show why Harry would prefer Ginny or Luna to Hermione, or why Hermione would prefer Ron to Harry. A character's romantic partner should believably be the most significant person to them. Considering that, JKR has left herself with a hard sell if she plans to show Ginny or Luna becoming closer to Harry and more significant to him than Hermione. At this stage - the start of book six - Hermione is indisputably the most significant female friend Harry has. JKR has already shown Viktor and Cho being jealous of and threatened by Harry and Hermione's closeness.
Having Hermione as the female lead for three quarters of the series and then having her deposed as the most significant female in Harry's life with one or two books to go poses the problem of how can there be two female leads? At the moment, Ginny and Luna are clearly supporting characters. The rise of a romantic partner would have to correspond to a lessening of Hermione's influence on Harry and importance to him and the plot. Otherwise, any romance for Harry would be as emotionally unaffecting and contrived as Harry's romance with Cho: merely skin deep. That was okay for Harry/Cho; Cho was obviously meant as a first crush. But a final, series-ending romance for Harry should be more meaningful, especially since love and Harry's heart appear to be central to the plot.
There's a structural problem here also: Ginny and Luna are - like Cho - in a different school year from the trio. This means Harry will be spending all his class and homework time with his two best mates as usual unless there is a radical change from what's happened in the past five books. This is hardly the recipe for Hermione's role to be reined in.
Finally, is it at all believable for Hermione's character to sit back and allow another girl to get closer to Harry than she is and perhaps influence him in ways that could put Harry in danger? No way. Hermione is desperate to keep Harry safe and alive. She wouldn't trust that role to anyone apart from herself. Think about it: she was even right about Harry when Dumbledore was wrong.
3) Scenes that don't make sense from the Ron/Hermione viewpoint
Bear in mind that we are looking at the scenes from the point of view that Hermione romantically loves Ron and only sees Harry as a friend.
a) Why the hugely extended hug from Hermione to Harry at 12 Grimmauld Place?
So the boy has been in danger and threatened with expulsion. But at the time they meet up, all three are aware he's okay and the only emotion all three are experiencing is pleasure at seeing each other again. Hermione isn't grabbing Harry out of great relief from fear for him. JKR is emphasizing the joy Hermione feels at this meeting. Why? The hug nearly knocks Harry flat, Hermione rambles uncontrollably and Ron has to intervene to actually end the hug. Is it really just platonic feeling on Hermione's part? I don't think so.
b) Why isn't Hermione overjoyed at Ron being made prefect?
This scene is completely illogical from the Ron/Hermione viewpoint. Think about it: Ron, supposedly Hermione's crush, has gained an honor - a big event for someone usually overshadowed by Harry. Yet Hermione rushes in expecting Harry to have received the badge and shrieks with joy when she thinks Harry has been made prefect.
There are two things here: Firstly, JKR directly compares Hermione's shriek of joy over Harry with Mrs. Weasley's reaction to Ron's getting the badge. "Mrs Weasley let out a shriek just like Hermione's." JKR is showing the intensity of Hermione's response with that comparison. We know Mrs. Weasley loves Ron - he's her son. What does that imply about the strength of Hermione's feelings for Harry? Secondly, in the moments after Hermione bursts in, she is completely oblivious to Ron's feelings. Say Harry HAD been made prefect, shouldn't she have spared a thought for Ron's disappointment, seeing as he's her crush? Shouldn't she have felt disappointed she wouldn't be getting to spend time with Ron as prefects together?
Hermione is completely shocked that Ron could possibly warrant being made prefect and then can't think of anything he's done to justify it. She doesn't show ANY joy at Ron becoming prefect. For two whole pages of text she and Harry stand silently looking on while the Weasleys discuss it. This is not the behavior of a girl whose preferred guy has just achieved something important to him. Something, furthermore, that means she'll get to spend time alone with him.
c) Why does Hermione suddenly appear to lose interest in Quidditch as soon as Harry is off the team? And why is she so underwhelmed at Ron making the team?
She says, "it's only a game," and, "at least my happiness doesn't depend on Ron's goalkeeping ability." This from a girl who, with Ginny, was wearing "red and gold scarves, gloves and rosettes" for Harry's last game; a girl who, in PS, was watching Harry play so intently she didn't notice Ron was fighting Malfoy under her chair. When Ron makes the Quidditch team, Hermione falls asleep and only sticks around out of politeness. This is a big thing for Ron - possibly the biggest thing, in a personal sense, to happen to him at school. Compare that to the joy she feels for Harry when Rita's article comes out. It was her idea and yet she gives Harry all the credit.
4) Other things to consider:
a) Hermione tries to get Harry to spend time alone with her making elf hats.
b) Hermione gives up a skiing holiday with her parents at Christmas in OoTP to come to Harry's aid.
c) Hermione grabs hold of Harry for physical and emotional support, including when the fat lady is slashed in PoA and in the DoM... when Ron is THERE both times.
d) She goes with Harry to find out what Hagrid wants instead of watching Ron play in the Quidditch final, when Harry could easily have gone on his own. Neither of them even considers that possibility.
e) Hermione is shown to have given thought to and discussed Cho's problems and love life, Ginny's love life and Harry's love life. She writes a long letter to Viktor. She is also forthright in many of her opinions to Ron and Harry. The idea that she somehow has romantic feelings for Ron and yet is too nervous and shy to broach the subject with him, or is unaware if he is interested in her or not and so doesn't broach the subject with him, simply doesn't equate with the Hermione of OoTP. (Hermione is generally confident and shows leadership in OoTP). She knows, on the other hand, that Harry has a crush on Cho, and that he has to get over that before anything else can happen.
f) Hermione tries to behave as a good friend would to Harry over Cho, but she is clearly bothered when she finds out Harry has kissed Cho.
- she keeps very close tabs on their relationship
- she finds out the gossip on Cho
- she keeps bringing the subject up with Harry to find out how he's getting on and how he's feeling
- she asks Harry to meet her on Valentine's Day even though Harry's having his first date with Cho
- she only gives Harry advice after he's had trouble with Cho
g) Nothing happened between Ron/Hermione while they were spending time together over summer.
- they said nothing happened
- Ron said Hermione was "going spare" over Harry
- there were no embarrassed looks when Harry turned up
- they didn't discuss their relationship (if they had, why is Ron surprised when he finds out later that Hermione is in touch with Viktor?)
5) Harry's feelings
For the past three years Harry has had a crush on Cho while, unanalyzed by himself, his friendship with Hermione has been steadily developing. In OoTP, JKR not only resolves Harry's crush on Cho (Cho's feelings are less certain), but for the first time she starts to bring Harry's feelings for Hermione closer to the surface.
a) For the first time, Harry feels extreme disquiet at Ron and Hermione getting together without him over the summer and spending time together without him.
b) For the first time, Harry starts to connect the voice he hears in his head as his conscience with Hermione.
c) Harry has a dream where Cho, his crush, turns into Hermione.
d) In the forest scenes with Grawp, Hagrid and the centaurs, Harry shows a strong instinct to physically protect Hermione. This did not happen during the Shrieking Shack and time turner scenes in PoA. JKR is showing a clear change, a clear progression in Harry's feelings. In the PoA scenes, Harry allowed Hermione to grab hold of him for emotional and physical support. Yet they were facing equally scary foes as in OoTP: the Whomping Willow, the dementors, Lupin as a werewolf, Sirius as a big dog. Harry also instinctively looks to protect Hermione when the group of six is escaping the Death Eaters in the DoM.
e) There are examples of uncharacteristic behavior by Harry towards Hermione that show her opinion has become more important to him. He helps her with revision, he hides his bad marks from her and he responds badly when she doesn't get angry on his behalf when he thought she would. JKR shows another progression: in PoA, Harry lied to Hermione about Hogsmeade without remorse. In GoF, he felt guilt about lying to her over the egg but ignored it. In OoTP, when he lies to her over Occlumency, he can't meet her eyes.
f) He spends a lot of time staring at Hermione in OoTP. There are constant descriptions of what she's doing. Noticeably, for the first time there are descriptions of her "eyes shining" and "face glowing."
g) He sticks up for Hermione to his crush, Cho - even after Cho has made it clear she's suspicious and jealous of Harry's closeness to Hermione.
h) Ginny is given a literary makeover and Harry still doesn't show any attraction to her. What's going to make him become interested if she's 'Super Ginny' now and that's not enough? How and in what ways is would she have to change?
6) Harry and Hermione are developing together
JKR makes a special point of showing Harry and Hermione developing together as leaders of the students and having an influence in the wizarding world.
a) It is significant that Hermione keeps pace with Harry in OoTP. Ron doesn't.
- Hermione thinks up the DA group and Harry teaches the students
- Hermione invents a system whereby Harry can tell students when the meetings are and a jinx to protect them
- Hermione gets Harry's story to the public via Rita
- Hermione starts saying Voldemort's name. Only Dumbledore, Lupin, Harry and Hermione now do so.
- Harry and Hermione get rid of Umbridge via the centaurs
b) JKR makes Hermione the one to make a practical difference to how Harry feels during the year.
- he gets great enjoyment out of teaching the students and it was her idea
- he gets his story, because of her efforts, across to the public and the students and it changes what people think of him
- she's the main person responsible for getting rid of Umbridge, who made Harry's life a misery
- she's the one who gets him out of the room at Christmas after Sirius, Ron, Ginny and the other Weasleys had proved ineffectual
c) JKR steps up Harry and Hermione's development together. They had one major adventure together in PoA, and a significant period of time together in GoF. In OoTP, they have two forest adventures together and fight alongside each other in the DoM.
Now to answer JKR's question, "who does Hermione love?" I say she loves both. But she loves Ron only as a friend while she has intense romantic feelings for Harry. That's the only conclusion I can draw from the HP series
I'm sorry, but 4a), b), d), e), f), g), and 5), 5a), c), d), e), g), h), 6a), (apart from the voldemort name one perhaps), b), and c) are all nonsense. You can pick a million instances where anything happens like that and immediately say thats evidence of H/Hr. Well, it'as not. I'll just pick a few, because I don't want to go through them all; Hermione comes back because Mr Weasley is attacked, she didn't know that Harry wasn't wasn't talking to anyone and hiding in Buckbeaks room. Also, she came back because she didn't like skiing. Hermione goes with Harry and Hagrid because she is worried about what has been hurting Hagrid, not because she wants to spend more time with Ron. That's just ridiculous. Hermione asks hHarry to meet her on Valentines Day because that's the only time she could have spoken to Rita Skeeter, not to mess upHarry's date. She tells Harry to take Cho out on a date after the kiss. So that must prove she's in love with him... Ginny has nthing to do with this, it might not be Ginny Harry falls for. Harry has a dream where Cho turns into Hermione - Harry also has a dream where Neville and Professor Sprout waltz around the DA room whillst Mcgonagall plays the bagpipes. So what. Harry protects Hermione against Grawp because Hagrid doesn't need protection, Hermione was under attack, and Harry is her friend, and noone wants their friend to be crushed by a giant. Hrry can't meet her eyes and fee;s giulty about lying because he realises that these things are more important. Occlumency is vital and he knows he's wrong to not do it. The egg was important but not just then, he had time, so he had guilty feelings. Hogsmeade was unimportant, he wanted to go. Nothing to do with feelings whatsoever. Hermione thinks up the DA and gets the interview e.t.c. because she is the clever one. And she is the one who can blackmail Rita. Ron can't do these things because that's not his character. e.t.c. e.t.c. Basically, pointing things out and twisting them to suit your way of thinking is easy. Admittedly, there may be one or two decent points there, but not enough to suggest anything more than strong friendship between Harry and Hermione.
TheSun well alright , I know really that u will disagree bec you're an rhr shipper but tnx for reading it.
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my coshipper Im happy that you're agreeing
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about the buckbeak thing we all hhr shippers had this theory about that hippogriff
As we all know, There was a Hippogriff in the Prisoner of Azkaban by the name of Buckbeak who played a fairly major role, to say the least. Now many of us Harry/Hermione fans love the scene near the end of the book where Harry and Hermione flew on Buckbeak, with Hermione clinging to Harry, on a moonlit night no less, to rescue Sirius. Yes, some very nice romantic imagery there.
In The Order of the Phoenix, when Harry has locked himself away during Christmas, Hermione arrives, still wearing her jacket, pink faced from the cold and with snow in her hair and manages to get Harry to open up and go with her. Nobody else was able to even talk to Harry, much less make him open up without protest and follow them. However, what is even more interesting is this. JKR decided to have good old Beaky present in the room!
So what is so significant about this? Well, as it turns out, the Hippogriff is in fact a creature out of Greek mythology. To be more precise, it is the Greek symbol of love. Yes, love.
Furthermore, the Hippogriff of greek mythology is half horse and half Griffin. A Griffin is a creature with the head, beak and wings of an eagle and the body of a lion, sometimes with the tail of a scorpion or a snake. From this we see characteristics that can be taken to represent Gryffindor, Ravenclaw and Slytherin - the 3 houses represented by Harry and Hermione. After all, while Harry and Hermione are both Gryffindors, Harry was almost placed in Slytherin (as we found out at the sorting ceremony in The Philosopher's Stone) and Hermione was almost placed in Ravenclaw (as she tells us at the Hog's Head in The Order of the Phoenix) - both because they showed traits of those houses. The lion is the symbol of Gryffindor, the symbol of Ravenclaw is an eagle and the snake is a serpent which represents Slytherin. Convenient coincidence or deliberate writing by JKR? I believe there is too much here for it to be just coincidence, and there are other instances where JKR has used symbolism in her books - and had them work out.
It sounds like TheSun doesn't want HHR together. I sense alitte tension in the air to HHR getting hmmm...
By the way hermione 7 that analogy is spectacular. I'm still in shock from reading it. Every point comes across so well. It there anything else you can write to finally make thesun a HHR believer 🍺