I agree that they are growing up and are capable of more mature feelings and emotions, there's no denying that. I'm not saying that they should be getting married or anything, but they're going to be 16...by 16 most kids feel pretty grown up ( i know i did) and like they're capable of adult emotions. True their brains are not fully developed, but they are now able to think and understand things on higher levels. And of course, feelings of love and romance fit right in there.
Originally posted by NightCrawler341
Doesn't matter. Harry will always have problems distracting him from noticing anything around him. (Or at the rate it is going. Thank god there is romance in HBP. "Love is in the air" as one of the editors ((I think it was a editor that was interviewed)) said in a interview.)
Plus most kids aren't looking for a real relationship. If you ask most teenage couples they probably don't know one thing about love! They all think its sex sex sex. Hopefully the Harry Potter gang will be more adult about love than todays teenagers.
Originally posted by KKdave
I mean that since book 1 JKR has set us up with the trio formula: Harry (the hero) Hermione (the brilliant girl) and Ron (the funny sidekick). This is how we have been set up, and this formula has stayed solid for 5 books, putting little fights aside. Within this formula Hermione has been set up, and is, the lead female in the series, and the most prominent, important female in Harry's life, despite slight Cho obsessions, Hermione has been the only girl that has been strongly present in all 5 books. Just because of this I think JKR has shown Hermione's importance and what a big role she has to play in Harry's life.
Now think if Harry decided to get into a serious relationship with another girl (lets just say ginny, who is a secondary character). If Harry begins seriously dating this girl then she will automatically thrown into the female lead because she will now be a prominent figure in Harry's life. This would screw up the formula that JKR has been working to build for 5 books. Why would she spend 5 books building up Hermione as a lead if she truly isn't the female lead ( and the most important girl in Harry's life)? It doesn't make sense. Ron, being a sidekick, would be much more able to date a secondary character (like luna) because it won't mess with the solid formula; it won't bring another female lead in to challenge Hermione's position.
Does that make sense? I might need Hermione7 to back me up on some stuff here if I messed anything up.
That's the formula with EVERYTHING. there's always three people with that kind of formula. it doesn't always mean the hero's going to get the girl, because that always seems to happen, and JK Rowling probably wants to make it different from the formula that's usually used in stories. And Ron doesn't need to hook up with a secondary character. Harry gets almost everything, so why does he need Hermione, too, for crying out loud! a character like Ron needs someone like Hermione. I mean, Why does the hero always have to get the girl with you people?
Originally posted by dark1365
Why would they hide their feelings in the first place? It's not as if everyone would laugh and ridicule at them. Being observant as they are, they should be able to tell easily that one has feelings for the other. Ron hides his feelings. Hermione doesn't. Besides, they are 15 now, not little anymore. They are mature, upright, and should know better than to resort to hiding feelings.
They both might feel that people making fun of them will happen if they show their feelings. there are some people who are complete jerks that would do that. just because you don't think so, doesn't mean they would think the same way you do, and they're probably afraid of showing their true feelings for eachother. And how are we too sure Hermione doesn't hide her feelings? She just might be. Just because it seems like she doesn't doesn't necessarily mean she does. And seriously! There are characters in movies and books that are in their twenties or thirties that are still hiding their feelings! it's normal for people who like eachother, even in real life.
Originally posted by #1Rupert_Lover
Harry gets almost everything, so why does he need Hermione, too, for crying out loud! a character like Ron needs someone like Hermione. I mean, Why does the hero always have to get the girl with you people?
I highly disagree with that. What do you mean Harry gets everything? Harry's lost his parents, he doesn't have a family. Ron has a huge family, he's surrounded by people who are there for him and love him. Harry doesn't have that. Sure he gets a lot of glory, but he never exactly wants it does he? Harry needs Hermione because he needs to be loved, he deserves someone like Hermione who can understand him and care deeply for him. Ron doesn't need her because he's already got plenty of love from his huge family. I don't think any other girl can give Harry love like hermione does and could.
Originally posted by KKdave
I highly disagree with that. What do you mean Harry gets everything? Harry's lost his parents, he doesn't have a family. Ron has a huge family, he's surrounded by people who are there for him and love him. Harry doesn't have that. Sure he gets a lot of glory, but he never exactly wants it does he? Harry needs Hermione because he needs to be loved, he deserves someone like Hermione who can understand him and care deeply for him. Ron doesn't need her because he's already got plenty of love from his huge family. I don't think any other girl can give Harry love like hermione does and could.
I mean Harry gets everything out of their friendship. not to mention fame. Ron should at least get something out of their friendship. and Nightcrawler's right. Ron's family is like Harry's family, except everyone, including Fred and George, treat Harry better than Ron. Yeah sure, Ron's family does care about him, but his brothers tease him too much, and then his brothers make Harry look like the brother they wished they had. not to mention Fred and George gave Harry the Marauder's Map, not Ron. Plus, Harry has a lot of money that his parents left for him, and is famous (Though Harry doesn't like it, but it makes Ron feel even worse.) They've always said that Ron is "overshadowed" by Harry. And if you didn't care to notice, Ron might always tease Hermione at times, but he's also always sticking up for her, And Harry doesn't do that as often as he does. and there are times when Ron notices something about Hermione that Harry doesn't notice 'til after Ron mentions it, like her teeth. And Hermione seems to worry about Ron when he's down, and mentions something about him whenever she's talking to someone like Harry when Ron's not around. And Hermione also kissed Ron on the cheek and he reacted by not paying attention to his surroundings, unlike Harry, who she kissed on the cheek at the end of the fourth book.
I'll try 2 explain something here. That it can be only Hermione
In PS/SS was Harry confronted with the fact that he is a wizard and not anyone he is already famous. He is Harry Potter who did end Voldemorts power over the world. He make him vanish. The prize was that he lost his parents, his childhood, love. Its much to believe it but he get it very fast because he meet people who show that he is indeed famous.
He meet Malfoy, this guy dislike Harry Potter right from start. Like other like Harry Potter from the start. They have already a statement about Harry but they don’t know him. This people did grow up with Harry Potter as the hero and not as the child who lose his parents.
As Harry meet the Weasleys or rather Ron again its at first about “him” and not about Harry. The first feelings which this people showed him as they knew he is Harry Potter was because he is that guy and not because he is just the ordinary Harry.
Harry don’t know this new world and don’t know what he or rather “him” did change as he made Voldemort vanishing. There lays the fundament why Ron don’t criticism Harry or stand up against him up. Ron can’t do
that because there is at times to much thankfulness in it.
There comes the Weasleys in play. Do they like Harry because he is Harry or because he is Harry Potter? Thats
difficult.
Because the Weasleys did grow up with the fairy tale that Harry Potter did destroy Voldemort as baby. Not even Dumbledore could do that. Now Mr and Mrs Weasley know he lost his parents because of Voldemort.
Lets look at this Mrs. Weasley tells Harry "He is as good as a son to her" Thats nice and I'm fine with it but the interest part comes. "Who he got else?" Now is it out of pity or out of likeing Harry as a son? The boggart-scene Mrs. Weasley saw Harry dead its one of her fears. Remember Voldemort is back.
Is that about Harry or Harry Potter. It can be both. Off course Mrs. Weasley fear is it that Harry dies because that says if Harry dies and Voldemort is still in power there is no hope anymore. This implied if Harry dies her children will die sooner or later, too. Harry did destroy Voldemort once and not Dumbledore.
Now back to the scene "Who he got else?" This is more out of pity that Harry don't has his parents anymore as price that Voldemort did vanish 14 years off course Mrs. Weasley has to fill this or give him something back because if it weren't for Harry her family did live in terror of Voldemort.
Is it about Harry or Harry Potter?
Try a look at Ginny. She had this crush at him. I do think its over this crush and don't come back. Now let look at her. Had she this crush because of Harry or because of Harry Potter? Some did say because of Harry, I disagree.
She don't liked him because of his personality she did it because he was the hero. Look at this poem from her I
post only the last line:
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COS, UK-edition (B ), page 258:The hero who conquered the dark lord.
Is it about Harrys personality? No. She didn't like him because he is Harry. Thats the reason why she gave up. Harry was not this hero anymore. She saw Harry, just Harry and this person wasn't that what she wanted.
Because for the Weasleys Harry is the famous Harry Potter thats why they weren't able to stand up against him or to reach him as he was depressed. Just imagine if Sirius were just a little more mean he had easily point out after Mrs. Weasley asked if he know that this isn't James that Harry isn't just any hero, either.
Is it just Harry for the Weasleys? I doubt this and thats why I don't think this is his family. They will never this. Thats why I rule OBHWF out. This would and has in every fic a bitter taste for me. Its not about Harry its about Harry Potter, the-boy-who-lived.
Now I come to Hermione. There is it different. She is muggleborn. There is a reason why Harrys second best
friend is a muggleborn witch. Its not because of Voldemort its much more that fact that’s by her is it about Harry and not Harry Potter. She isn’t grow up by this fairy tale. What she know about Harry Potter is possible two months old in PS/SS at the beginning.
Right from the start she is not afraid to stand up against Harry to tell him if he do thinks wrong. She isn’t afraid of his reaction and not deeply thankfully that he rescued the magic-world because she isn’t grow up in that world.
Now why makes that her to this girl? Its that she is after and in PS/SS his second best friend. She is the only female, the only girl who did step that close to Harry in the last 5 books. She don’t has this background that she see Harry Potter in him. She see Harry in him. Just Harry, her best friend.
She is around him just like she have to be. Don’t step back because that’s Harry Potter. This is important especially in future. Its about the prophecy this throw another weight at Harrys shoulders. This again makes him just to Harry Potter, which is marked by Voldemort.
Not Harry who don’t want this.
There will it be important that there is someone who don’t see Harry Potter.
Now I going to the most honest scene in this books.
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PS/SS, UK-edition, page 208:Hermione's lip trembled and she suddenly dashed at Harry and threw her
arms around him "Hermione!" "Harry-you're a great wizard, you know.""I'm not as good as you," said Harry, very embarrassed, as she let go of him. "Me!" said Hermione. "Books! And cleverness! There are
more important things - friendship and bravery and - oh Harry - be careful!"
There is no other scene in canon which shows more honest as this. Its about friendship its about just Harry. Not Harry Potter, not him. If you read the line that Harry is a great wizard than you compare this with Harrys comment at the beginning:
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PS/SS, UK-edition, page 47:
“Hagrid,” he said quietly, “I think you must have made a mistake. I don’t think I can be a wizard.”
There he didn't believe that he is a wizard and especially not the guy who did all that. He didn't believe it because Hagrid did speak in Harrys eyes about someone else. Not about him. But here at this scene with
Hermione he know she mean him. Just him and nobody else. She hugs him because its Harry who bring his live in danger, her best friend. Not Harry Potter not this other boy who is the hero. Its the ordinary Harry.
Thats the reason why Hermione is his second best friend and will be something more because she is the only one who is close enough to Harry and the one who see Harry, just Harry.
Now thats one of the reasons why me, KKDAVE, dark1365 and the other hhr shipper see Hermione as the one for Harry bec she sees Harry inside and out. The family thing is not the best thing for Harry. I mean when Harry was depressed in OOtp they can't get him out of the room its hermione who made him get out of that with of course buckbeak in there the symbol of love lol.
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yes! exact ally! No other girl is capable of connecting with Harry the way Hermione can, Ron and Hermione could never go that deep, it's isn't possible within the structure of the novel. There is no one else for Harry but Hermione. Ron doesn't need hermione the way Harry does, he doesn't have the struggles, difficulties, or lack of love that Harry does (ron doesn't have death looming over him, the only problem ron is faced with is his own jealously). I'm so excited for book 6 to come out, so we can start arguing about new moments!
Originally posted by #1Rupert_Lover
They both might feel that people making fun of them will happen if they show their feelings. there are some people who are complete jerks that would do that. just because you don't think so, doesn't mean they would think the same way you do, and they're probably afraid of showing their true feelings for eachother. And how are we too sure Hermione doesn't hide her feelings? She just might be. Just because it seems like she doesn't doesn't necessarily mean she does. And seriously! There are characters in movies and books that are in their twenties or thirties that are still hiding their feelings! it's normal for people who like eachother, even in real life.
Originally posted by TheSun
I can't believe there are still people who actually believe that Harry and Hermione are going to end up together; JKR has basically told us that they wont be, there is very little canon evidence for such a pairing, and the idea is downright ludicrous! Open your eyes!
#1Rupert believes that there's evidence that Hermione likes Ron in OotP. Alright, passages from the book.
"Are you all right, Harry?" Hermione asked, peering at him over the top of her quill.
Harry gave a halfhearted shrug. In truth, he didn't know whether he was all right or not. "What's up?" said Ron, hoisting himself up on his elbow to get a clearer view of Harry. "What's happened?"Harry didn't quite know how to set about telling them, and still wasn't sure whether he wanted to. Just as he had decided not to say anything, Hermione took matters out of his hands.
"Is it Cho?" she asked in a businesslike way. "Did she corner you after the meeting?"
Numbly suprised, Harry nodded. Ron sniggered, breaking off when Hermione caught his eye.
"So - er - what did she want?" he asked in a mock casual voice.
"She....er......" Harry began, rather hoarsely. He cleared his throat and tried again. "She - er - ""Did you kiss?" Hermione asked briskly.
Ron sat up so fast he sent his ink bottle flying. "Well?" he demanded.
Harry looked from Hermione's slight frown to Ron's of mingled hilarity and curiosity, then nodded.
Logically, that would lead to the conclusion that she would've acted the same way as Ron, bemused and anxious, but with considerably more matureness.
However, she did not seem happy. She didn't smile at all.
What she did have, was a slight frown on her face. Meaning that she was doing some serious thinking, or that she was worried.
"Oh," said Ron, his smile fading slightly. "Are you that bad a kisser?"
"Dunno," said Harry, who hadn't considered this. and immediately felt rather worried. "Maybe I am."
"Of course you're not." Hermione said absently, still scribbling away at her letter.
"How do you know?" Ron said very sharply.
Now here, Ron's worried that Harry and Hermione have already kissed, assuming that Hermione thought that Harry was an okay kisser. An absurd thought, but in the mind of Ron it would've seemed highly possible.
"What if he doesn't want to ask her?" said Ron, who had been watching Harry with an unusually shrewd expression on his face.
"Don't be silly," said Hermione vaguely. "Harry's liked her for ages, haven't you, Harry?"
How could Hermione have known? Nowhere in books 1-4 does it mention that Harry told Hermione liked Cho. Of course, she could have assumed from the Quidditch world cup, but look at the next part:
Also, look at Ron, who's watching Harry with an observant view. Afriad that Harry might steal his girl.
"Well, obviously she's feeling very sad, because of Cedric dying. Then I expect she's feeling confused because she liked Cedric and now she likes Harry, and she can't figure out who she likes best. Then she'll be feeling guilty, thinking it's an insult to Cedric's memory to be kissing Harry at all, and she'll be worrying about what everyone else might say about her if she starts going out with Harry. And she probably can't work out what her feelings toward Harry are, anyway, because he's the one who was with Cedric when he died, so that's all very mixed up and painful. Oh, and she's afriad that she's going to be thrown off the Ravenclaw Quidditch team because she's been flying so badly."
"Well, she just couldn't keep her eyes off of you, could she?"
In the Hog's Head, she had to have been watching Cho discreetly to have noticed for the whole time.
Yup, Yup, Yup. Hermione tries to brush the whole harry/cho thing off her shoulder, but she is clearly not pleased with it happening. She is also keeping a very close watch on Cho, but being mature she doesn't openly show a large level of jealously (like say Ron would do). I personally don't see how it could go any other way then Hermione and Harry- the whole ron's crush on her thing is just a red harring thrown out to cause arguments just like this and make things not as predictable.
Originally posted by dark1365
If they are ashamed of being with each other, they don't belong together. No arguments. If they truled loved each other, they wouldn't care about outside comments or jeers. They have each other.
They are kids, you people got to understand that. You can't expect them to grow up all of a sudden.
Originally posted by NightCrawler341
They are kids, you people got to understand that. You can't expect them to grow up all of a sudden.
They are fifteen now, FIFTEEN...you know what Harry thought in OotP: that he felt that the fact that they were telling him off for being naughty was stupid. It made his blood boil. And Umbridge adressing them as kids in the start-of-year feast made everyone look at each other with "WTF" expressions, some snickering.
And even one of the centaurs said: "They are not so young. This one(Harry) is nearing manhood, he is."
Near, but not yet. Listen from someone who is is age. Expressioning ones feelings toward one another is hard if he or she is afraid of what the other might think at fifteen. And I am not talking about Harry, Harry's love life is pretty much out the damn window until HBP because he doesn't take notice to anyone who is trying to get his attention. But, thankfully, love life blooms in HBP. And hopefully it isn't just for Harry, but Ron and Hermione expressing their feelings toward each other.
JKR has stated, in response to a question regarding Harry's romantic interests, that 'I can't believe you haven't figured it out yet.' I have not as yet seen much convincing canon proof that Hermione would favour Harry ovre Ron. However I believe that the Yule Ball scene speaks for itself - if people can't read the oh so obvious undertones to that specific chapter, then might I suggest some English lessons.
No one thought it would be ron and hermione until the yule ball scene, that is really the only chapter of any of the books that has any evidence. Ron had a crush. thats it. Hermione doesn't like him back at all, it's just him being jealous and stupid. It was a way for jkr to have some fun and throw us all off, book 4 is misleading. If you look at every book except that one it's clear that harry and hermione should be together, including book 5, which is the most recent....get what im saying?