Holes in The Matrix Movies

Started by BadgerBadger41 pages

For the love of almighty crap! The guy just expressed an opinion! Is this meant to be a forum of debate, or something where people with exactly the same opinion gather to say how much they agree and rip outsiders that happen to disagree with them, make typos or type to much even when regular ppl post huge pics or put stupid quotes in their sigs that take up the space of 5 normal posts.

Its not as if he called anyone an introverted obsessed nerdy mother****er, he just said the last 2 films were exploitative cash cows that besmirched the good name of M1 and you got a whole loada ppl laying into him as if hed said your mothers chug serious ass-cock!

This sort of inulectual snobery really pisses me off - theres this little thing called freedom of speach, you need to learn to be more accomodating and mature and stop abusing people for having views that differ from yours.

I'm not only saying this becuase I agree with much of what he said but I really wanted M1+M2 to be the best movies ever and they quite balatently werent. Do you honestly believe that the last 2 movies were even concieved at the time of M1? maybe after it took 100's of £millions but not unitll then.

Fair enough they left M1 open ended enough to allow for sequls but theres no way they were written till they saw the sucess of M1, saw how many ppl were obsessed by it and saw how how many ppl they could exploit if the drew the franchise out long enough. I'm sure that all concerns of artistry, continuity and such like went rite out the window when they realised how much moolah it was gonna take (an estimated $3billion for the franchise), although they had to make sure that M2 was good enough to suggest that M3 would be good as well, thus enusring it breaks all box office records for opening weekend sales, and they had to make sure that they were packed with enough random shit that would enusre plp would watch M3 multiple times to try and extract some hidden meanings and that ppl could say "well if you dont like it its because you cant understand it".

Its an intersting idea to tie it in so closely with a game, but the game was so bad (as an actual game, not the FMV etc) that it was unreal (driving sequences - urgh). the fighting got boring and repetitive after an hour or so and became little more than a means of seeing the next FMV cutscene sequence (and why havent they been ripped and put on the net by now? i tried to play the files outside the game and they would only play without sound). the second one was good, but was almost spolied by the copious amounts of CGI. the transitions between comp and real Neo in the garden fight scene for example was almost laughable, i cant believe they put the bit where neo runs around on the pole in adverts, it makes the film look so stupid and devoid of credibility. when will ppl realise that you cant CGI humans without them looking like Teken characters? i dunno if its just me having played so manyh computer games or seen so many movies but even the fake cars in the freeway scene looked rediculous and outta place, i find it just totaly ruins your suspension of disbelief when you see this cartoon character jigging about infront of you.

I must say i thought M2 alluded heavily to MWAM and many things that suggested this from M2 were not adequetly explained or given suggested explanations in M3. this couldve bene the plan, or - shock horror - maybe they couldnt release more games and DVDs and flims if they ended the story with the scene panning back to show neo, link, kid, ghost, niobe etc still jacked into the power plant.

Ah, how that paper with the pictures on it ****s up every single aspect of modern life ...

You drongo,

The guy asked questions, the questions were answered.

The reason for the mocking of him was the way he worded and came across with his opinion.

I agree with some things you have said, some i have no understanding of.

What paper??

BadgerBadger

Where is all this hate coming from? So you didn't like the move - so what? Move on! And you're talking about the few guys who where joking around?!! I mean come on, have you read your posts lately? I seriously suggest finding psychiatric help if you're going around with this much rage - and I don't mean that as an insult! I don't want some nut walking up to my girl and popping his cork like that..

Do we not have the freedom to make our own remarks? Do we not have the freedom to act so ignorant? It seems to me you're just trying to oppress peoples views.

Also, I must say, you are seriously delusional if you thought that M2 alluded to ANYTHING - especially MWAM. MWAM is a person's first response, not based on fact, but based on disbelief. And, explain how, if the movies weren't even conceived of until after the first movie, there are interviews and legal documents that start in like April of 1999 (just after the first movie was released before they knew of its success) and going back to 1996, if not earlier, talking about the matrix being written for a trilogy?! Yes the movie was conceived of as a trilogy LONG before the first movie was released. Get over it.

By the way, I don't think anybody has ever said "Well if you don't like it it's because you can't understand it." We've used the word don't. We've explained literary and visual symbolisms to the point that a first grader can follow it, but the fact is, some people just do not want to accept it, which makes me think that it's the non-traditional format, and the philosophies behind the movies that people really do not like, as well as the fact that the movies did not fit a Hollywood regurgitated version of good vs evil where the answers are clear cut and the good guy definitely wins or definitely looses. I enjoyed this movie ESPECIALLY because it wasn't that way - because life is not that way my friend.

So back off the insults and the whining. If our explanations have holes in them point them out WITH SUPPORTING EVIDENCE or just back off. I'm tired of reading posts with people being dogged and scurrilous.

meta> i m here to summarize your big post (as usual) 🙂

the matrix movies were DIFFERENT, specially, the rev.

Osiris

L😆L!! I know, I know...I type alot. 😄 I have to make up for the fact that I don't talk a lot!! 😛

meta>

u know i have a problem with ur sig 🙂
i usually visit KMC when i am in my univ. labs(we remain here for a long time and frequently)
but the problem is we arent allowed to see adult stuff
ur sig contains some of it
so when i see that ur post is coming, i fastly scroll down the page(so no one else can see ur sig as me) but i feel 1 day i'll be captivated 😄

Badger: HEEEEE HEE, Checkdamoney - Touch my bad self! OWWWW 😄

Originally posted by Osiris
meta>

u know i have a problem with ur sig 🙂
i usually visit KMC when i am in my univ. labs(we remain here for a long time and frequently)
but the problem is we arent allowed to see adult stuff
ur sig contains some of it
so when i see that ur post is coming, i fastly scroll down the page(so no one else can see ur sig as me) but i feel 1 day i'll be captivated 😄

I'm sorry, but it doesn't contain anything adult in it! 😛 If you look closely, the woman on the left is "The Lady in Red" from the first matrix - and she's dressed just like a lingerie ad in the news paper, then the woman on the right is Jue from "Final flight of the Osiris", Then you see Agent smith in the background getting ready to fire his weapon, and then you see Eric Draven from the first Crow movie!! LoL Sorry if it's a inconvienince tho. 😬

Okay, everyone. Keep your calm.
If you feel antagonised "report to moderators", if you think someone is simply out to antagonise you, send me a PM. There is no need to act like a kindergarden.
EVERYONE is entitled to their opinion.

Omega

Indeed. ✅

well (whatever..) some of u believe as i believe, some of u do not

Hey meta have you seen the top box office for this week...hehehe!.

Two an a half weeks later and Revolutions has suffered a staggering 60% drop from it's first week.....pfft. Put that in your pipe and smoke it....the ppl have spoken and the truth is now told....muahahaha!.

Hey dont worry about it if you like it so much you'll be able to get the dvd in a couple of weeks. 🙂

DV> why do you continually pester people? Is there any, productive, reason for you to be here? THen why bother? If you dislike the Matrix SO MUCH, then just leave, do not come back, stop bothering us. However, if you are here because you want to talk to fellow fans, then change your attitude.

Im allowed my opinion Jedi, relax man do get so uptight. I AM a matrix fan...of the first two films, I can have an opinion on the third film..it's my right. Do you see me stating anything that is'nt fact....lighten up jedi im just stating it's time to swallow the pill and look at it for what it's worth.

Again im entitled to my opinion and if you have a problem with it then that is of course, your problem. Remember i sit here like 💃 so while you sit there like 😠 all you are doing is wasting your time.

Neo can fly, stop bullets, burst out of people, and delete an entire program infecting the whole of the matrix. Also his strength is uncomparable to anything inside the matrix because it breaks the rules itself, as well as his speed. He also has the ability to see machine life in the real world in a different way whether from a human body or a machine robot, and has the ability to see the future in the matrix. He fits every description ever made about him

If you don't like the matrix then you don't like the matrix..........If you are looking for reactions out of people because you don't I don't think anyone is going to care. You are a fan or you are not. It's just a movie bro, get a girlfriend lol

Originally posted by Seraph77
Neo can fly, stop bullets, burst out of people, and delete an entire program infecting the whole of the matrix. Also his strength is uncomparable to anything inside the matrix because it breaks the rules itself, as well as his speed. He also has the ability to see machine life in the real world in a different way whether from a human body or a machine robot, and has the ability to see the future in the matrix. He fits every description ever made about him

he was'nt so powerful
he only had the ability to change the code a little bit

a little bit?! rewriting gravity, and giving momentum to stationary objects is a little bit? Granted, he doesn't throw people against the walls like he has the Force, however, he has the most amazing sense of situational awareness i have ever seen...

Seraph i truly hope you were not talking to me. Look at teh post above mine and try telling someone like that "it's just a movie". Belive me I know it's just a movie and I am a fan of the first two but, i'll be damned if im gonna stand by the failure that is "matrix Revolutions"....where are the Tv ad's for it, most theatres are thinking about putting it in it's last run, showtimes are down and replaced by elf, the dvd is less than two months away....you honestly tell me this is the way a "great film" makes it run and you are the one living in a movie.

Originally posted by DARKVIRUS
Hey meta have you seen the top box office for this week...hehehe!.

Two an a half weeks later and Revolutions has suffered a staggering 60% drop from it's first week.....pfft. Put that in your pipe and smoke it....the ppl have spoken and the truth is now told....muahahaha!.

Hey dont worry about it if you like it so much you'll be able to get the dvd in a couple of weeks. 🙂

First, does it sound like I care what others think of the movie?? I love it and will continue to love it.

As for box office reports, here ya go:

The Matrix Revolutions grossed an impressive, though not record-breaking, $43 million on its first day in 96 countries.

In fact, Matrix Revolutions' gross was more than the gross of the next 25 films

US / Canada Gross: $116.475 Non-US/CA: $199.900 mil. Worldwide Box Office: $316.375 mil.

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13 days after the release of Matrix Revolutions, it still ranks number 3 on the box office charts.

from http://www.the-numbers.com/movies/2003/MTRX3.php
Date Rank Gross % Change Theaters Per Theater Total Gross Days
11/5/2003 1 $24,311,365 3,502 $6,942 $24,311,365 1
11/6/2003 1 $11,003,000 -54.74% 3,502 $3,142 $35,315,000 2
11/7/2003 1 $16,529,521 +50.23% 3,502 $4,720 $51,844,367 3
11/8/2003 1 $19,524,728 +18.12% 3,502 $5,575 $71,369,095 4
11/9/2003 1 $12,420,905 -36.38% 3,502 $3,547 $83,790,000 5
11/10/2003 1 $4,587,000 -63.07% 3,502 $1,310 $88,377,000 6
11/11/2003 2 $5,200,000 +13.36% 3,502 $1,485 $93,578,000 7
11/12/2003 1 $2,223,000 -57.25% 3,502 $635 $95,801,000 8
11/13/2003 1 $2,052,000 -7.69% 3,502 $586 $97,854,000 9
11/14/2003 3 $4,741,000 +131.04% 3,502 $1,354 $102,595,000 10
11/15/2003 3 $7,341,173 +54.84% 3,502 $2,096 $110,096,923 11
11/16/2003 3 $4,172,026 -43.17% 3,502 $1,191 $114,268,949 12
11/17/2003 3 $1,051,051 -74.81% 3,502 $300 $115,320,000 13
11/18/2003 3 $1,155,000 +9.89% 3,502 $330 $116,475,000 14

Yeah, it looks like the fans have spoken. Considering it's the holiday season with many great looking movies coming out, and this is the time of year that the theaters are the busiest - the matrix is still standing at #3 in the charts, having a daily gross avg of 8,161,412 (realistically - 1.5 mill to 2 mill). That is damn good, and I suspect that by x-mas, it will still be running strong, because it is already at repeat viewings and still holding.

So I will put that in the pipe and smoke it as soon as your done with the crack there. Quit being ignorant because you are only distorting truth with opinion and your taking facts out of context. I'm really getting tired of it. You are entitled to your opinions, but man, seriously, get a life and quit trying to convince others that it sux. So who really cares if you didn't like it other than you? I find the fact that you seem to target me really bothersome, and a waste of time. Not to mention the fact that you're never on the mark with facts since you always take them out of context... and yes, Elf hit #1, it's a christmas comedy, it's geared for family entertainment...it's going to do better. Why? Because parents can take their five and six year olds to it and the kids would enjoy it, plus it's not going to bother anyone else that little kids are seeing it. Use your head - kids movies always do better because they attract a wider audience. And the DVD isn't set to release until closer to May.

BTW - the picture below is a diagram of what each movie has done. Explain this: The first movie is the all time worst on this chart, yet everyone like you says it was the best? The second movie has the highest gross, and then Revo is smack in the middle.... Hmmmmm....

You can check these quotes at these sites:
http://www.the-numbers.com/movies/2003/MTRX3.php
http://www.leesmovieinfo.net/wbotitle.php?t=1963&rating=2
http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=Matrix%3A+Revolutions+gross&ei=UTF-8&fr=fp-tab-web-t&cop=mss&tab=