Holes in The Matrix Movies

Started by dave12341 pages

i only agree that the lobby scene was better than the club hell one, but not 100x times, thats just childish...
if the lobby scene was 10/10, i would give hell an easy 8 ✅

Agreed dave. There was nothing wrong with the Club Hel Scene.. it just should've been longer. And they shouldn't have aired the damn thing on MTV, since it kinda spoiled the whole thing.

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What do you mean? In which movie?

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It's explained in Reloaded. When he was going to be deleted at the Source, he felt compelled to stay in the Matrix and become a viral exile.

ah ok

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I do not disagree that Neo did not touch the source, because he did not goto the Machine Mainframe - which the Oracle tells us is the source in Reloaded. But his power does flow through the source, through which he very likely gained access to through his meeting with the Architect. You will not find me say that Neo actually visited the source, but, please explain how Neo is only now able to feel the Sentinals, and how he knows they are getting ready to throw a bomb without access to the same information, if only at a subconscious level? By gaining a full access to the same data stream that the AI communicate on, he gains a connection to the source, and when he uses that connection is when he touches it - and it is at that point he shows up in the Train station at Mobile Ave in Revo. Even his alpha patterns describe a person "jacked in" and not "in a comma".

My theory is not to explain how he touched the source, more so than the mechanics of how it works. However, what I said fits with what you state about how when he stopped the sentinals he touched the source - because he used this new connection to the machines for the first time, and it is not a connection that a human is supposed to handle - the data stream should have caused a neural overload and literally turned his brain to gelatin!

Re: another W bros screw up

Originally posted by Cowboyography
Why was Seraph's code orange? just another example of how the W bros rushed it!! they probably had an idea and then just said aww that will take too long lets just forget we even showed that to them in reloaded. Nobody elses code was that color and at no part was the code explained, just like its never explained how neo gets out of limbo. one second hes lifeless on a cold table then all of a sudden he wakes up jacked in? WTF!!!! and what happened when that sentinal went into Neo nothing I guesse because its never explained or even refrenced it might as well have never happened, much like reloaded and revolutions!!! Also why couldnt the machines just have done what they did to Neo/Smith at the end to anyone that smith took over? in M1 there were no questions like this, in the latter 2 thats all there is, is questions because the W Bros didnt think about what they were making they just came up with a bunch of half baked ideas and theories and mumbled them together into a messy incoherent pointless story!!! long live M1!!!!

Simple explanation to why Seraph's code is orange/golden:

SERAPH is the Hebrew root word for SERAPHIM. They are the angels described in the Bible as "flaming" or bright light. They are known by Jewish scholars as "God's Marines" and "Fighting Angels with swords of light."

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can u tell me if real world was REAL then how NEO was seeing that golden code as he was blind (actually i missed that part of movie when neo probably fought with bane and turned blind)

smith copied neo (did this make neo dead?)
why he allowed himself to be copied?
and how the hell smith was killed?
how oracle,artichect and seraph came in the end?

Originally posted by Cowboyography
yes burlyman very rushed. They rushed it so much that they forgot to cover

The Wakowski bros, and Warner both stated that the movies were all written prior to 1996 and sold as a trilogy. Matrix was shelved until 1999 while the Wakowskis wrote and directed Bound, showing they had the capability. The other two movies were shelved indefinately, contingent on the success of the first. Obvious script edits were done to accomidate the fact that only one movie might have ever been made, then the death of two actors, and the sub-culter phenomenon all played a part.

1- Seraphs code
SERAPH is the Hebrew root word for SERAPHIM. They are the angels described in the Bible as "flaming" or bright light. They are known by Jewish scholars as "God's Marines" and "Fighting Angels with swords of light."
[qutoe]2- how neo got jacked in and out of limbo[/quote] Short -- wireless networking. Neo gained access inadvertanly through visit to the Architect (perhaps purposely to control the anomaly had the anomaly chosen to rebuild Zion?...) - he touched the source (machine mainframe) when he used this new access to the wireless connection - which "jacked" him in.
3- how did they kill smith
4- why couldnt the machines just do that to anyone smith took over

This is actually one question. Neo was an anomaly, when Smith absorbed him, the anomaly still ruled the mind of the indivitual, but not the digital self. The anomaly caused fluxuations within the mathmatical code of the Smith program - and all Smiths were connected by a common thread. Neo's death by the machines in the real world killed all Smiths because of the manifestations of the anomaly, and the fact that Neo and Smith were opposite poles of the same anomaly.
5- Neo looks so animated in many of the fight scenes, might as well be watching cartoons!

This is your opinion.
6- what is the Mero
7- what is persephone

They are programs. What is their connection with the Matrix and where did they come from? Were they previous anomalies or a result of? Does it really matter? That history is a whole story in and of itself. One that has no bearing on the story being told.
8- club hel was really weak, The lobby scene in M1 was 100 times better.

Again, opinion. This fight scene was only supposed to be representative of the first, and not to duplicate, nor better upon it. There is a sybolism in its simularity refering to philosophies that revolve around the phrase "Everything that has a beginning has an end." It is the nature of all things to come full circle and without an end there would be no beginning.
just to many unanswered questions, at the end ofthe first movie there were no questions exept what happens next? the W bros just didnt think about the latter to as much and definatley didnt put nearly the effort into the storlyline that they did in the first!!

also these new movies screw up M1. Why tortue morphius for Zion access code if you were just going to drill through the roof anyways?

Smith is a program, and while created by the AI, he has no real connection to the AI. He is a system of control used by the Machines to cause the resistance to believe that they are looking for one thing (the access codes) and not doing something else. This is known as misdirection and is used in everything from business, to magic tricks, to con games. The answers to many of your questions are there. But I will not argue opinion - if you did not like the movie, I'm sorry. I loved it.

Originally posted by noneok
can some 1 explain to me how smith suvived

In the first Matrix movie? Sure, he was never killed. His host connection was terminated and he was put up for deletion but he disobeyed to return and attempt to defeat Neo, thus making up the opposite pole of the Anomaly that Neo was a part of.

Originally posted by Osiris
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can u tell me if real world was REAL then how NEO was seeing that golden code as he was blind (actually i missed that part of movie when neo probably fought with bane and turned blind)

smith copied neo (did this make neo dead?)
why he allowed himself to be copied?
and how the hell smith was killed?
how oracle,artichect and seraph came in the end?

You're right, you missed a part of the movie. He was blinded in the fight with Bane. It also wasn't code that he was seeing, you'll notice, but he could only see things that were directly related to the AI (Smith inside of Bane, the Machine city, sentinals, etc)

I explain this when I try to explain the mechanics of how he is able to do the things he can in the real. Ushgarak will try to say otherwise, but it's best explained by thinking of Neo's mind being connected to the AI's wireless transmissions amongst each other. I've posted a lot about this, and I will post an intracately detailed web site dedicated to this in the coming weeks, but that's the simplistic version.

Hey everyone, I'm all caught up now. ✅ sorry if I repeated things others already said!! I had about two days of posts to get through... 😬