must i remind u people that Onslaught was the only one who hurt Juggernaut. and even then it wasnt physically he nailed him mentally then tossed him across a country, either way he wasnt physically hurt by that fight. now whats funny is, people say the hulk will get stronger and smash him. for heavens sake man hulk cant hurt him. never has never will, hulk doesnt posses the powers needed to hurt him. who cares about infinite strength u can be the strongest guy in the universe but if u are unable to hurt a guy. what does strength matter! we are talking about the old juggernaut here folks not the new one. Thor gave juggernaut his best shots, his godforce blast, a blast that even made galactus notice, and juggernaut wasnt even phased by it. now thor is way more powerful then hulk, and onslaught is way more powerful then Hulkand thor, and half the ml. and all onslaught did was wipe his mind out and toss him physically, which when he landed he got up right away and was a confused mess, he was tossed across a country and He wasnt hurt physically, cause he got up. so anyone who saysthat hulk can hurt can hurt him doesnt know what they are talking about.
Im not arguing that Hulk wont win the fight. he probably will, he wont hurt juggernaut, doesnt mean he still wont win the fight in other ways by tossing him somewhere.
my point is if u take these to guys in a area with boundaries, meaning there stuck in a area and cant get out. And it was a fight to the death. juggernaut being able to never get tired and hulk not hurting juggernaut physically, hulkster would eventually tire after weeks or months of pounding juggernaut. juggs would be like he started the fight fresh, and when hulk gets exhausted hes dead, bottomline.
otherwise hulk would win in any other type of slugfest. weither it tossing him into a mountain, or trapping him in cement, the hulk would win that type of fight. a fight to the death however he loses BOTTOMLINE END OF STORY.
HULK DOESNT HAVE WHAT IT TAKES TO HURT JUGGS. HE POSSES NO MAGIC OR PSI POWER, JUGGS ONLY 2 WEAKNESS.
normal fight = hulk wins
fight to death = juggernaut wins
Originally posted by savagerampage
must i remind u people that Onslaught was the only one who hurt Juggernaut. and even then it wasnt physically he nailed him mentally then tossed him across a country, either way he wasnt physically hurt by that fight.
Wrong. Lol, Prof. X, Marvel Girl, and Cyclops knocked him out, for starters. And yes, this was the "Classical Juggernaut."
Onslaught did more than "nail him mentally." And he got right up? You mean after Psylocke and Jean Grey (I think it was) stood over him for awhile as he lay there smoking (mmm, now mental attacks leave your body smoking?)?
Hulk can't hurt him...LoL -- I guess that's why when Hulk hits him Juggernaut routinely says "unnnnfh?" What is that, a fart? No, it's him WINCING.
But whatever.
no kidding prof x marvel girl. They are TELEPATHS POSSESSING ONE OF THE POWERS THAT is HIS WEAKNESS. cyclops optic blast just blasted him backwards. it didnt hurt him. and if you actually read or have that issue uncanny x-men 322 u would know its beast, psylocke, and bishop who is standing over him.his body was smoking cause of the heat of him crashing into the ground from earths atmosphere. He has been set on fire before, engulfed in flames, so what is ur point? the comment u made is pointless. the mental attack didnt do that to him, the mental attack, screwed his mind up. he was physically tossed and landed in new jersey. the point is he got up right away and wasnt hurt at all. but if u read the issue his mind was all screwed up that issue and then some.
I dont mean to change gears here but I need to add something here. I know the Hulk has potential for unlimited strength. I am not taking that away from him. But On the Juggernaut Bio in the Handbook it says not in these exact words but "when he gets head of steam there is no object on earth he cannot move" So if you think about it Juggernaut may have limitless strength also.
We don't know what Juggernaut's strength is, but whe know it's a hell of alot more than 100 tons, just like Hulk. This can be mystically increased for a period of time by harnessing Cyttorak, but Cyttorak is not infinite, so neither is Juggernaut's strength. Hulk is like a gamma battery, producing limitless amounts of extremely high energy/frequency gamma energy. There is no real scientific explanation, but Hulk's strength can increase limitlessly. Juggernaut, I don't really think so. Notice it says, "no power on earth he can't move." He moves things via the forcefield. He has been stopped before, but it has been on very rare occasion. Sufficient force can stop him.
It's because since Juggernaut was a villian and a jobber, not much care was given to what he started as. Writers fudge on his powers because they can. Like the forcefield business. Sometimes it supposed to be the source of his durability, sometimes it's an extra that would of saved him an embarassing moment had he remembered to put it up.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
It actually says, when he is moving forward nothing can stop his motion.Let's not alter his credo just because it's dawning on everyone that he's not all that.
-AC
well any bio ive read ( and thats a lot) states jugggie cannot be halted once in forward momentum by physical means
* if im interupting its a good thing most stuff posted on here is bollocks lol. ive posted the simple solution to this debate nye on 100 times, and a bunch of half wits keep then going round in circles with juggie cannot be hurt, he hasnt been hurt , he cant be stopped ( then why not leave him running, go forest) etc. well all these are true till u have something more powerful than cyttorak END. the question really you dumb dumbs need to discuss is can hulk get that powerful physically? i think he can as he is limitless in potential here.
* also hulk has been shown to be vulnerable as he is in so many comics the stories would not work if he wasnt, and other heros would be severly dissempowered. can u imagine if supes was unable to go toe to toe with hulk etc, is this so hard to understand.
*STOP GOING ON ABOUT ONSLAUGHT V JUGGIE, ITS TAKING UP TOO MUCH SPACE ON AN ALREADY LONG THREAD. ONSLAAUGHT IS OUT OF JUGGIES LEAGUE. FUNNILY ENOUGH HULK BATTERED HIM.
Originally posted by savagerampage
no kidding prof x marvel girl. They are TELEPATHS POSSESSING ONE OF THE POWERS THAT is HIS WEAKNESS. cyclops optic blast just blasted him backwards. it didnt hurt him. and if you actually read or have that issue uncanny x-men 322 u would know its beast, psylocke, and bishop who is standing over him.his body was smoking cause of the heat of him crashing into the ground from earths atmosphere. He has been set on fire before, engulfed in flames, so what is ur point? the comment u made is pointless. the mental attack didnt do that to him, the mental attack, screwed his mind up. he was physically tossed and landed in new jersey. the point is he got up right away and wasnt hurt at all. but if u read the issue his mind was all screwed up that issue and then some.
LMAO, from the earth's atmosphere? Onslaught backhanded him from Canada to New York, iirc. He did not KNOCK HIM INTO SPACE. Rogue has been knocked into space by Binary. Hulk jumped into space. He also survived reentry.
Do you have the issue when Namor, Prof X, and Marvel Girl took him down? Furthermore, talk about incongruities. Cyclop's blast knocked him backward? I thought nothing on earth (it's nothing on EARTH, not nothing period) could stop him from moving forward?
You don't have to be "more powerful than Cytorrak" to beat Juggernaut. That's funny. Thor simply DISCONNECTED him from the gem. How simple.
was he moving forward when Cyclops nailed him with the optic blast?
I mean...even Venom was able to knock Juggernaut backwards...but when Cyclops did it....was Jugg's doing the forward momentum thing?
Also, I think Juggernaut is just like every other superhero in the Marvel Universe. Though their bio may give them a strength limitation...I think he is capable of exceeding it. Every character from Hulk, to Wolverine, to even Spiderman can "go crazy" or "flip out" and do feats of strength that no one previously thought was possible. I'm sure if Juggernaut flew off the handle he could over power Hulk.....well....atleast until Hulk gets really really mad.